christianity...?

[coconut_banana]

al-salaam-o-alaikum,


inspired by the other thread, i want to ask questions about christianity here because i cant find answrs on google.

i have never really understood what it is exactly that christians believe in.

do they worship jesus, allah or "holy spirit" or all three of them?
i have read somewhere that they believe all 3 of them = god, so arent they polytheists?

also, how can they believe jesus was son of god and god at the same time?
and also, how can god die? who is holy spirit?

its too confusing for me.

can intelligent people like alchemist, scimitar, afghanistan2010 or others who know about christianity explain please?

[Afghanistan2010]

there are numerous groups among the christians,
it depends on with whom you talk:

catholic christians believe in trinity God is in three parts (God,the holy spirit and Jesus (pubh),and he is the saviour of the wolrd , born by mary , died and wake up after three days and many other things.

then there are the Gospels , they are devision which came to light after Martin Luther questioned certain things in the Christianity , like paying to save yourself from Hell and translated the Bible into German and so on , there are the 100 Thesis or more from Martin Luther,which questions the leadership of the pope that is also a point they don't go to the church every Sunday and they don't believe in pope.

then there are those in the States these Baptists they are more kind of radicals similar to the first one.

then there are those jehova witnessess , they don't believe in trinity but only by the word of the bible and they say that armageddon will happen then they will be only one to be saved and on earth it will be a paradise for them blah blah.

and there are many many many many more groups...but these are the main


the funny thing and its the best to defeat in seconds Christians don't care about which group but it defeats every Christian group

by Ibn Qayyim (rahimahullah)


Ibn Qayyim - Amazing poetry refuting christianity - O CHRIST WORSHIPPERS !! we want an answer - YouTube

just watch it you have everything

[Insaaf_انصاف]

there are numerous groups among the christians,
it depends on with whom you talk:

catholic christians believe in trinity God is in three parts (God,the holy spirit and Jesus (pubh),and he is the saviour of the wolrd , born by mary , died and wake up after three days and many other things.

then there are the Gospels , they are devision which came to light after Martin Luther questioned certain things in the Christianity , like paying to save yourself from Hell and translated the Bible into German and so on , there are the 100 Thesis or more from Martin Luther,which questions the leadership of the pope that is also a point they don't go to the church every Sunday and hey don't believe in pope.

then there are those in the States these Baptists they are more kind of radicals similar to the first one.



there are those jehova witnessess , they don't believe in trinity but only by the word of the bible and they say that armageddon will happen then they will be only one to be saved and on earth it will be a paradise for them blah blah.

and there are many many many many more groups...but these are the main


the funny thing and its the best to defeat in seconds Christians don't care about which group but it defeats every Christian gro

by Ibn Qayyim (rahimahullah)


Ibn Qayyim - Amazing poetry refuting christianity - O CHRIST WORSHIPPERS !! we want an answer - YouTube[/URL]

just watch it you have everything

Why " Pbuh " for Jesus ?

[Afghanistan2010]

Because Jesus is the Messenger of Allah , Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him


Allah says in Suratul Baqarah 185 :

The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."



And in the authentic Ahadith it is clearly stated :

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 651:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 652:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."

And

“And [beware the Day] when God will say, ‘O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as gods besides God?...’” (Quran 5:116)

Jesus will respond:

“He will say, ‘Limitless are You in Your glory! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Verily, it is You alone who fully knows all the things that are beyond the reach of a created being’s perception. I said not to them except what you commanded me – to worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You alone had been their keeper:’ for You are witness unto everything. If You should punish them – indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them – indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.” (Quran 5:116-118)

[coconut_banana]

there are numerous groups among the christians,
it depends on with whom you talk:

catholic christians believe in trinity God is in three parts (God,the holy spirit and Jesus (pubh),and he is the saviour of the wolrd , born by mary , died and wake up after three days and many other things.

then there are the Gospels , they are devision which came to light after Martin Luther questioned certain things in the Christianity , like paying to save yourself from Hell and translated the Bible into German and so on , there are the 100 Thesis or more from Martin Luther,which questions the leadership of the pope that is also a point they don't go to the church every Sunday and they don't believe in pope.

then there are those in the States these Baptists they are more kind of radicals similar to the first one.

then there are those jehova witnessess , they don't believe in trinity but only by the word of the bible and they say that armageddon will happen then they will be only one to be saved and on earth it will be a paradise for them blah blah.

and there are many many many many more groups...but these are the main


the funny thing and its the best to defeat in seconds Christians don't care about which group but it defeats every Christian group

by Ibn Qayyim (rahimahullah)


Ibn Qayyim - Amazing poetry refuting christianity - O CHRIST WORSHIPPERS !! we want an answer - YouTube[/URL]

just watch it you have everything

what about mormons?

Islam believes that God is essentially and uniquely one, while Mormons accept the Christian division of the Godhead into Father, Son and Holy Ghost, though rejecting the traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
Mormonism believes that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, together with a wife, referred to as "Heavenly Mother" by some Latter-day Saints (although this view is not explicitly implied in scripture). Islam emphatically rejects these notions.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; he is referred to as "a God" in their religion. Islam rejects this idea, believing that Jesus was a mortal being chosen to be a Prophet of God, no difference from Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, or other prophets of God throughout time, except being raised to heaven, like Elijah.
Mormonism believes in the existence of multiple "gods", and refers to "the Gods" in one of its canonical scriptures, the Book of Abraham. Islam emphatically rejects this notion, which it calls "Shirk", the gravest of sins in Islam.[16]
Mormonism believes that its adherents may become "gods" in the next life, through following its teachings and receiving certain necessary ordinances. Islam rejects this notion entirely.



and that video has a good point about why they worship the cross if jesus died on it.

[Afghanistan2010]

what about mormons?

Islam believes that God is essentially and uniquely one, while Mormons accept the Christian division of the Godhead into Father, Son and Holy Ghost, though rejecting the traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
Mormonism believes that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, together with a wife, referred to as "Heavenly Mother" by some Latter-day Saints (although this view is not explicitly implied in scripture). Islam emphatically rejects these notions.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; he is referred to as "a God" in their religion. Islam rejects this idea, believing that Jesus was a mortal being chosen to be a Prophet of God, no difference from Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, or other prophets of God throughout time, except being raised to heaven, like Elijah.
Mormonism believes in the existence of multiple "gods", and refers to "the Gods" in one of its canonical scriptures, the Book of Abraham. Islam emphatically rejects this notion, which it calls "Shirk", the gravest of sins in Islam.[16]
Mormonism believes that its adherents may become "gods" in the next life, through following its teachings and receiving certain necessary ordinances. Islam rejects this notion entirely.



and that video has a good point about why they worship the cross if jesus died on it.

Exacly that was refuted about 1400 years agon in Quran by Allah himself verily he even mentioned it by the most high....

read yourself:

Surah Muminun 23:91:
"No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah! (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him!"

Surah Anbiya 21:22:
"If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!"

http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/Wh...han_1_God.html

[Elsii]

al-salaam-o-alaikum,


inspired by the other thread, i want to ask questions about christianity here because i cant find answrs on google.

i have never really understood what it is exactly that christians believe in.

do they worship jesus, allah or "holy spirit" or all three of them?
i have read somewhere that they believe all 3 of them = god, so arent they polytheists?

also, how can they believe jesus was son of god and god at the same time?
and also, how can god die? who is holy spirit?

its too confusing for me.

can intelligent people like alchemist, scimitar, afghanistan2010 or others who know about christianity explain please?

Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, because he was born by a miracle from Maryam, so he has no earthly father, so his father is God, because all life comes from Him.

They believe the Word of God worked through him to fulfill the prophecies as the Messiah, and that he is given all authority on heaven and earth by God and will sit at the right hand of the throne of God. Also since God's word works through him, he will judge the world under the will of God.

Since man was created 'in the image of God', they believe that God has both flesh and the holy spirit. Since Genesis describes God 'walking' in the Garden of Eden, he must have a flesh form. But that cannot exist without a spirit.

They see Jesus as the promised Messiah who fulfilled the scriptures and was crucified, since he is at the right hand of God and will give judgement, all life will go through him. Most Christian's don't see them as '3 in 1', but '3 in agreement with each other'

[Zirey]

There are a lot of misconceptions about the Christian faith because it is so vast. If I may I would like to address a few of the points raised above.

In accordance with the Holy Scriptures, Christians are indeed monotheists who believe that there is one God. This one God has revealed Himself as the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, and yet the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct. There are not three parts of God, but there are three Persons (being capable of a distinct personal relationship) in the Godhead. Since the infinite God is greater than our finite human minds, it should be no surprise that we find this teaching to be full of mystery. And yet it has been revealed by God Himself, so we humbly affirm it.

How can God die? Jesus was both God and man. His divine nature remained immortal but in his human nature He died on the cross, then rose again from the dead, just as He had foretold and just as more than 500 eyewitnesses saw.

It is true that Protestant Christians do not acknowledge the pope's authority, but many Protestants do believe in going to church every Sunday, which is the day of the Lord's resurrection.

[Afghanistan2010]

Why one has to die to be forgiven...
so if jesus (pbuh) died that we were forgiven,than Adolf hitler,mao were forgiven ?
you can go and carry out some crusads no problem jesus (pbuh) has already forgiven us by sacrificing himself...oh or has someone else have to sacrifice himself to be forgiven again ? and every time one does sins ?.

Further,if the people related to christianity would really wanted to know their religion they should read the bible,and when they have read it they will witness the 50 000 errors which are obviouse.

And those crimes mentioned in the bible,like incest and,how can one stil believe in it ?.

After that those contradictions which were mentioned above as errors are a valid reason to give up the bible,so what do you have else in christianity to rely on,the church ? you have to pay tax,what do you get heaven ? by paying your place in heaven ?.

Also what about those scriptures people find every thirty year why does the vatican not publish them ?,like the Codex Sinaiticus ? are there things which are contrary to that what they preach today...has jesus (pbuh) ever said im God ? .

If Jesus (peace and blessing be upon him) is God?
And God knows everything ? yes !
Did Jesus (pbuh) know and tell us when the Judgement day is ?
NO ?!
What , you were saying Jesus (pbuh) is God and God Almighty knows everything,the hidden and the obvious

[Zirey]

Zma uruno,
if I answer your questions satisfactorily, what will you do? Will you receive baptism? If you sincerely want to know this Jesus who died and rose again, this Jesus who forgives sin and gives joy and eternal life and peace with God, I will gladly answer your questions to the best of my ability.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

lol zma urono

this guy lays it on thick

[Breshna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKXKKyyXG4g

The Christian Minister...who

converted...to Islam.

He explains...Christianity.

[Karpo]

Todays Christianity is a 'faith' that is drawn from German pagan/Roman pagan traditions (Santa Claus, Easter for example).

They decided to make Prophet Isa (pbuh) into God by a vote at the Council of Nicae in 325.

So here you have it for you to read. If your not happy with the sources, you can read more up on your fairy tale of a 'religion' from Western sources that you trust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

http://www.wannabe-anthropologist.com/wba_writing_nicea.pdf

http://islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm

Nicaea Council of 325 A.D.

What Was It All About? - How Did It Change Christianity?

Read what the Catholic Church Says About Itself

Many people today, even Catholics, do not know the Holy Roman Catholic Church was already in business several hundred years BEFORE Jesus, peace be upon him, was even born. It was a pagan church established by the Roman government in an effort to control the subjects of Rome by having them all participate at least to some extent, along with other Roman citizens in some kind of common worship practices and beliefs.

The year was 325 A.D. according to the Roman calendar. A council was convened by order of Constantine, the Roman emperor. He had been a leader in the cult known as Sol Invictus (Invincible Sun) and now wanted to unite the Christian sects in the empire under his existing church; the Universal Church of Rome. Many changes to the religion of Christianity were about to take place at that council, including:

• Formulation for wording concerning the Trinity based on Anthanias (description of the formulation is mentioned below)
  
• Changing Verses of Bible
  
• Eliminating certain verses and books from the Bible
  
• Declaring Arian's "unitarian" (belief in the Unity of God) as heresy
  
• Changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday
  
• Changing the date of Jesus' birthday to December 25th
  
• Introduction of Easter (pagan worship called "Feast of Ishtar")
  
• Church of Roman "officially" became the "Universal Church of the Holy Roman Empire" (the word 'Catholic' means 'universal'
  

• • The Roman Catholic Church took on a new face.

What follows is a quote from the Roman Catholic Church. It is their explanation behind the many changes occurring during the Nicaea Council.

"Arian belief in One God - meant Jesus was not God or a part of God. Therefore, the Roman Catholic Church could not accept this.
Easter needed to be added as well.

[Begin Quote]
Council of Nicaea, First Ecumenical Council - 325 A.D. (Christian Era)

The Nicene Council is considered by all as the first Ecumenical Council of the Church (Roman Catholic Church). It was occasioned by the Arian heresy which in effect denied the divinity of Jesus Christ. The major product of this council was the Creed, the "Nicene Creed"; but it also addressed the date of Easter, and the place of the Patriarch of Alexandria.

"Heresy" was the term now being used to describe what many fomer priests and bishops had been teaching.
"God is One, without partners" seems to be the theme throughout the Old Testament. But now suddenly when the pagan Romans are about to make Christianity the offical church of the Holy Empire, the need to rethink the concept of God arises.
A God-Man and Man-God seem to fit right in with the "former pagan" concept of their 'gods on earth.'
Could this explain the source for "Trinity?"
"Trinity" does not appear anywhere in the Old Testament or the New Testament.
Even the phrase, "And these two are one" (First Epistle of John, Chapter 5, verse 7) is fabricated and based on the verse prior to it.
[see: Revised Standard Version of the Bible, 1952 and History of Translations of Bible to the English Language, F. F. Bruce)

Occasion for the Council
The Arian heresy had infected parts of the Church all the way from Alexandria through Palestine, Syria, Asia minor to Greece. It was bad enough that it viciated the very heart of Christian doctrine from within, but there was also danger that it would weaken the Empire itself, and so Constantine, who was trying hard to consolidate the Empire, took an active part in trying to solve the matter. He called for a council of bishops of the Church. At first it appeared that he had in mind only the Eastern bishops since he first designated Ancyra in Galatia (Ankara in Turkey) as a place for the bishops to assemble. Arianism had particularly divided the Church there. But this would make it difficult for himself to attend, and besides it might be good for other bishops to attend, those not necessarily involved in the controversy. Hence Nicaea in Bithynia was finally selected; it was close to the sea making it easier for more bishops to attend, he had there a large palace compound, both to house the bishops and with a great hall in which they could assemble, and he could keep an eye on them from nearby Nicomedia.
Constantine himself was strongly influenced by certain Arian bishops, particularly by Bishop Eusebius of the capitol city of Nicomedia, and if he did not actually have Arian leanings himself, he had been informed by them that a council of the Church would show that the teaching of Arius was correct. It would be to Constantine's credit that when the bishops in council voted the opposite way, condemned Arianism and overwhelmingly affirmed the traditional doctrine, that he got behind them 100% and promulgated their decisions.
The Council Called
He announced the council (a command-performance for important bishops) by the imperial post, heretofore reserved for civil administration and urgent military matters. Of course the bishops wanted to settle matters too; the heresy and schism were tearing the Church apart, but Constantine's calling for a general council and the manner in which the council was conducted shows us to what great extent there was almost a union between church and state. Constantine put the imperial transportation system at the disposal of the bishops. This meant they could travel on his boats free, that they could go by cart or wagon, horse, whatever means the Empire had to offer, all under the protection of the Roman army (travel was not only difficult, but brigands made it dangerous). Constantine housed the bishops, fed them and provided his own palace as a place to meet.
The Council Assembled 300 bishops were present (Ambrose of Milan and Hilary of Poitier report 318, but this may be a symbolic number representing the 318 servants of Abraham, Gen 14:14) most of them from the East. Not a few of the bishops attending were maimed or their predecessors had been killed by the very soldiery which now guarded them; they winced as they paraded into the council chamber, the soldiers with their swords and shining armor now forming an honor guard on either side of their procession. There is no doubt but what the bishops had every freedom of discussion and vote (at this council at least) because that was the rule of the Roman senate after which a council is patterned, and yet to these bishops at least so shortly out of persecution, the soldiers who stood guard inside the chamber, both to assure good order and prevent any intrusion from outside, must have been a symbol of imperial power and influence, formerly unleashed against them.
Constantine himself opened the council with an impassioned plea for unity and peace, and his good friend Bishop Eusebius of Caesarea (a suspected Arian or at least an Arian sympathizer) gave the opening address. According to the pattern of the Roman senate the council was actually presided over by another good friend of Constantine, Hosius, bishop of Cordoba, Spain, who had presided over a local council in Elvia, Spain, some 30 years before. Hosius was assisted by the delegates from Pope Sylvester, the simple priests, Vitus and Vicentius, all in true senatorial style. The history at the time does not explain why the delegates of the Bishop of Rome held such a prominent place in the Council. Catholics like to stress that it was because the pope has some position of authority or leadership over the other bishops. Others maintain it was because Rome was the seat of the civil government (but it had just been moved from there to Constantinople). Anyway this pattern would be followed at many succeeding councils.
The Nicene Creed
The big thing which happened was the Nicene Creed, but in this way:
Most held out at first for a Scriptural language and expression to make clear against the Arians what the catholic doctrine had been, but as the discussions progressed it became evident that there was no Scriptural vocabulary which would correctly express the orthodox teaching. They lighted on a philosophical term, homoosios (same substance as) to express what they meant and what had always been the catholic teaching, but there was still needed a formula to summarize and convey their meaning. Of all bishops, Eusebius of Caesarea, who had been clobbered by the synod at Antioch the year before, produced a creed he used in his church. As far as it went, it was acceptable to the rest of the bishops, but they made additions in order to make it very clear that Arius' position was not what they espoused. This creed would be further amended by the First Council of Constantinople, and hence is technically known as the "Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed", but maybe it should be known as the Caesarean-Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.
Here it is beneficial to explain something councils do, almost as a byproduct. Primarily a council's purpose, at least a dogmatic council, is to proclaim with unmistakable clarity a doctrine already a part of the teaching of the Church. But at Nicaea there were not a few bishops, well-intentioned and open to the Spirit, who actually would have been hard pressed themselves to give a clear explanation of the relationship of the Son to the Father. But because they had humility and good will they learned from the discussions of the Council, at the same time that they were a part of the council process. Hence a council can also teach bishops. All of the bishops present signed the Creed, except two, Secundus of Ptolemais and Theonas of Marmarica. Constantine banished them along with Arius (whom he later recalled).
Date of Easter
Among other things they also settled (they thought) was the date of Easter. While most celebrated Easter on a Sunday to commemorate the resurrection, there were a few who celebrated on weekdays (even Good Friday) according to a Jewish reckoning (the Quartodeciman controversy addressed by Pope Victor, 189-198), and those who did observe Sunday did not all observe on the same Sunday. Constantine wanted, as did most bishops, a universal observance. To this very day it is disputed what the council fathers meant by their decision, and Easter is still observed variously, but the points of their decree supposed by most are: 1) Easter should be celebrated on the same day by all (a point all agree was contained in the decree); 2) Jewish custom was not the criterion to be followed (a point which is not cited by the Greeks, but strongly mentioned both in the writings which preceded the council and in Eusebius' report of it); and 3) that the practice of Rome and Alexandria (then West and Egypt) should remain in force, namely the Sunday after the first full moon of the vernal equinox (the Creeks do not cite the first half of this point, only the second). But even Alexandria and Rome did not agree for a long time, due to calculations (miscalculations) as to the date of the vernal equinox. Rome celebrated the equinox on March 18, and Alexandria on March 23. Since this is something scientific, that is, half way between the shortest and the longest day of the year, it could be and was eventually solved by the devising of various cycles, so that a fixed day in the lunar calendar (14th of Nisan) would occur according to a predetermined pattern in the Julian calendar. Today Greeks and other Orthodox maintain that the Roman date of Easter is wrong, saying that the Nicene Council stipulated that the Resurrection must always be celebrated after the Jewish Passover.
Now it must be remembered that only incomplete records of canons and decrees exist from the Council at Nicaea. What we actually have is the Creed, the disciplinary action against the Arians, 20 disciplinary canons, a letter to the Alexandrian church, and a list of the bishops present (a list which varies from language to language).
The rest of the canons (if authentic at all) have been garnered from other sources, including Arabic writings. In thus citing Nicea about Easter coming after the Jewish Passover, the Greeks must have sources which are not commonly known, and stronger sources than the west is aware. For example, Eusebius of Caesarea writing just after the Council quotes from the letter of Emperor Constantine to all who were not present at the Council,
". . .relative to the sacred festival of Easter. . . it was declared to be particularly unworthy for this holiest of all festivals to follow the custom of the Jews. We ought not therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews. We desire to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews for it is surely shameful for us to hear the Jews boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast. In their blindness, they frequently celebrate two Passovers in the same year. . . How then could we follow these Jews. . . for to celebrate the Passover twice in one year is totally inadmissible ."
Alexandrian Patriarchate
Another important question (Canon 6) the council took up was the position of the ancient see of Alexandria because there were problems of jurisdiction down there due to the Melitian schism. The Council's purpose was to bring order to the Church in Alexandria, but in so doing they gave evidence to something which was developing in the Church, namely, listing the metropolitan centers of Christianity and putting them in order of their importance. Not a few have seen this as a sort of ambitious clamoring on the part of some sees to "lord it over" less important places. Perhaps there was some of this (later there certainly was), but it would seem that the intention of Nicaea was merely to establish order and place responsibility of keeping order and orthodoxy on strong and capable centers of Christian teaching. In brief, the council stated that Alexandria had under its jurisdiction the whole of Egypt, Libya, and Pentopolis. But in solving this problem with regard to Alexandria, almost as a byproduct and as if it went without saying, they mentioned that Alexandria was second only to Rome which had similar rights in the West. It mentions Antioch being in the third place but does not define its territory.
They remind all, however (Canon 7) of the importance of the See of Jerusalem but still left it under the jurisdiction of Caesarea. (Remember Jerusalem had been destroyed in the year 70 by Titus and it took a while for Christians there to make a come-back.) Of course there was no Constantinople yet. We speak nowadays of the "Patriarchates" of Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, as being established or recognized by the Council of Nicaea, but it is important to stress that at this juncture Nicaea doesn't use this term at all. It does use the term "Metropolitan", but mostly it just refers to the "Bishop of Alexandria", or the "Bishop of Rome" etc. (Canon VI). Of the remaining canons, all interesting, none really apply to the question of East-West relations or the church-state problem we are addressing. Constantine himself (who apparently had attended many sessions, though neither he nor the Roman presidents voted) brought the council to a close with another talk on unity but in it he calls himself a "fellow bishop", showing how closely he associated himself with the work of the Church.
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[faye]

it seems to me that religious people all think theirs is the true and highest of religions. therefore they find ways to belittle and criticise other religions.
i never studied christianity or was indoctrinated by it, within my family, but i always thought that christians consider god to be the creator and the one to forgive peoples sins.

[roadrunner]

let me rescue you again dumbos.

what you're referring to is the trinity. Christians don't believe in 3 Gods but 1 God that is represented in 3 different ways. The Trinity.