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  • #31
    Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post
    ^ complete nonsense

    Now I understand why Alchemist wanted you to be banned.
    alchemist wanted someone banned? what a wimp. some of you guys are such BIG GIRLS.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Zirey View Post
      Faye,
      you seem not far from the kingdom of God. Compassion, forgiveness, and the joy of eternal life are the goal of the Lord's dealings with us. God became incarnate in Jesus so that we might see and know this abundant love and goodness of God.
      Of course she have no knowledge of the darkside my friend which you try since 2000 years to corrupt and to cut out. New Testament 2012


      Brothers,
      What is your interest in this line of questioning? For now I will give the benefit of the doubt that you ask sincerely. Your questions are in quotation marks, followed by a brief reply. I have been brief on purpose to keep things more manageable. One has only so much time. Perhaps we will have an opportunity later for elaboration.

      "According to scriptures there is one God and jesus is not God."
      Half right. According to the Holy Scriptures, there is one God and also Jesus is that God.
      Did Jesus (Pbuh) tell you or knew when the Day of Judgement was or the Last day.


      "Where in the Scriptures does Jesus say He is God and to worship Him?"
      There are many places in the Holy Scriptures that teach Jesus's Divinity and Lordship. For example, from John chapter 5: "[Jesus] called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
      Are we not all the children of God,does this not make us equal to Jesus (pbuh)


      As to worship specifically, the Lord Jesus receives worship on many occasions. For example, Matthew chapter 2: "They saw the child with Mary His mother, and they fell down and worshiped Him."
      Did anywhere it appears that Jesus (pbuh) told them to worship me ?


      "If God dies for 3 days then who runs the world?"
      Christians believe that God is omnipotent and can do all that He wills to do. The Lord Jesus remained God when His human nature suffered and died on the cross. He is fully able to run the universe even while sacrificing Himself for mankind. Truly God is great!
      If God dies,he is not a God.
      He was jelling and crying on the cross and suffering and bleeding ?!
      He ate and went to the Bathroom as all the other human ?!
      High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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      • #33
        everything is god. god is everything. how can it not be?

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        • #34
          ok. what did god create everything from?

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          • #35
            from where came the smokeless fire and clay?

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            • #36
              youtube? where's your own brain?

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              • #37
                you refuted what i said now you claim not to know. if you don't know, then how do you know i am wrong?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by shadowgoverner
                  it caant be.
                  God cannot be its own creation.
                  you cant be your kids.
                  How do you know what god can and can't be?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by faye View Post
                    from where came the smokeless fire and clay?
                    I can explain to you inshaAllah,please read it with attention.

                    the clay for the creation of the humen came from the earth which was created billions of years in our time before,and Allah the most high ordered an Angel to bring earth,so the Angel went to earth and asked the earth for permission to take some clay,the earth sought refugee in God,so the Angel returned to Allah the most high (of course the Angel never saw Allah directly but there was connection which Allah the most high had established,here it is better in an authentic hadith (saying of the Prophet (pbuh))


                    Ibn Masud and other companions of the Prophet (PBUH) said that Allah the Almighty sent Gabriel onto the earth to said that Allah the Almighty sent Gabriel onto the earth to get Him clay therefrom. The earth said: "I seek refuge in Allah from your decreasing my quantity or disfiguring me." So Gabriel returned and did not take anything. He said: "My Lord, the land sought refuge in You and it granted."

                    So Allah sent Michael for the same purpose, and the land sought refuge with Allah and it was granted. So he went back and said to Allah what Gabriel has said before him.

                    Then Allah sent the Angel of Death, and the land sought refuge in Allah, the angel said: "I also seek refuge with Allah from returning without carrying out His command." So he took clay from the face of the earth and mixed it. He did not take from one particular place, but rather he took white, red, and black clay from different places.

                    The Angel of Death ascended with it, Allah soaked the clay till it became sticky. Then Allah said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." (Chapter 38:71-72 Quran).

                    So Allah shaped Adam into a human being, but he remaineda figure of clay for 40 years. The angels went past him. They were seized with fear by what they saw, and Iblis felt fear most. He used to pass by the figure of Adam, buffeting it, which would make a sound like pottery. Allah told us: "He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery." ( 55:Quran).

                    When the time drew near to breathe the spirit into Adam, as Allah decreed, He commanded the angels: "When I breathe My spirit into him prostrate before him." Allah breathed His spirit into Adam and when it reached his head Adam sneezed. The angels said: "Say all praise belongs to Allah." Adam repeated: "All praise belongs to Allah." Allah said to him: "Your Lord has granted you mercy." When the spirit reached his eyes, Adam looked at the fruits of Paradise. When it reached his abdomen Adam felt an appetite for food. He jumped hurriedly before the spirit could reach his legs, so that he could eat from the fruits of Paradise. Allah, therefore, said: "Man is created of haste." ( 21:37 Quran). And then: The angels prostrated themselves all of them together. Except Iblis, he refused to be among the prostrators. ( 15:31-32 Quran).
                    High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                    • #40
                      god burdens his own creation with sin based on those who came before them, we are born sinners. then god has a son who is either god himself or his son, christians don't even know the answer to this so don't bother asking me. in order to be saved from a sin in which we did not commit, we must accept a man as god despite his own words disavowing this status and deny books which were not deemed acceptable to the government which became the church. the church accepts and denies books of the bible like they were nothing.

                      god the creator of the universe/multiverse, and universes/multiverses that came before it and intelligent life spread across the heavens does not stoop to becoming a man. the quran tells us that the earth was here far longer than human beings. its to make us feel small, which we are.

                      3 never ='s 1. you don't need to be a math whiz to know that. the theology of christianity is a joke.
                      Last edited by randolph85; 04-03-2012, 06:01 PM.
                      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                      Sayyid Qutb

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                      • #41
                        each to his own.
                        my creator is not a grumpy snob who looks down upon creation nor curses it nor wants it to be afraid of it's originator.
                        the creator i believe in is everywhere, is everything..all the time;-)

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                        • #42
                          each to his own.

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                          • #43
                            are you an echo?

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                            • #44
                              Each to her own

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                              • #45
                                That is why they call it Christinsanity
                                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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