christianity...?

[Afghanistan2010]

it seems to me that religious people all think theirs is the true and highest of religions. therefore they find ways to belittle and criticise other religions.
i never studied christianity or was indoctrinated by it, within my family, but i always thought that christians consider god to be the creator and the one to forgive peoples sins.

We can have human discussion no problem.

[Afghanistan2010]

Zma uruno,
if I answer your questions satisfactorily, what will you do? Will you receive baptism? If you sincerely want to know this Jesus who died and rose again, this Jesus who forgives sin and gives joy and eternal life and peace with God, I will gladly answer your questions to the best of my ability.

Listen my friend,
we do not need to come up with anything but you,christianity refutes itself and contradict itself in a way that corrupts the whole religion and belief.

but we love Jesus (pbuh) no matter we do not worship him but we follow his teachings to what he said to us,don't eat pig meat,pray to God as he prayed prostraying on the ground,restraining from adultery.

[faye]

compassion? forgivenes?

[Afghanistan2010]

Aswell forgiveness,but jesus (pbuh) said in Bible : Those who do not believe in me bring them before me and slay them.

Stone the Adulters.
Shave the head of the women,who does not cover their hair.

[faye]

2010, you love those grusome parts, don't you?
that's why i don't need religion. too much negativity.

[Afghanistan2010]

2010, you love those grusome parts, don't you?
that's why i don't need religion. too much negativity.

I mention that which is obvious,many might not mention it to the people, im not one who hides one side from the people,im direct.

Is it a negativity to place borders for the people ? that you not ruin yourself and the society you live in.

People without borders (morality) will jeopardize the society.

Nations are nothing but morals:
If their moral disappear, they disappear.
—Hafiz Ibrahim (poet)
(Read on pg 5, Abu Bakr Muhammad b. al-Husayn al-Ajurri, The Character of the Bearers and People of the Qur’an. Al-Quran Society. London: 2002.)

[haviZsultan]

more questions to come

I went through this:

According to scriptures there is one God and jesus is not God.
where int he scriptures does Jesus say he is God and worship him.
Matter of fact he worships God himself and drops down on his knees and prays.
from christian friends i was having a discussion about this and they couldnt defend any of these.
for example if God dies for 3 days than who runs the world?
how can jesus be human and God?offcourse they said humanity of God,i had to laugh about that.
they did tell me that the world was darker int hose three days which affirms that this is from the roman religion in which the SUN dies for 3 days and than the new SUN is born.

Was just reading through this. You have christian friends? Didn't you try to convert them to Islam yet? I thought thats the way you understand religion, that you have to convert these people... by the sword if necessary.

[Zirey]

Faye,
you seem not far from the kingdom of God. Compassion, forgiveness, and the joy of eternal life are the goal of the Lord's dealings with us. God became incarnate in Jesus so that we might see and know this abundant love and goodness of God.

Brothers,
What is your interest in this line of questioning? For now I will give the benefit of the doubt that you ask sincerely. Your questions are in quotation marks, followed by a brief reply. I have been brief on purpose to keep things more manageable. One has only so much time. Perhaps we will have an opportunity later for elaboration.

"According to scriptures there is one God and jesus is not God."
Half right. According to the Holy Scriptures, there is one God and also Jesus is that God.

"Where in the Scriptures does Jesus say He is God and to worship Him?"
There are many places in the Holy Scriptures that teach Jesus's Divinity and Lordship. For example, from John chapter 5: "[Jesus] called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
As to worship specifically, the Lord Jesus receives worship on many occasions. For example, Matthew chapter 2: "They saw the child with Mary His mother, and they fell down and worshiped Him."

"If God dies for 3 days then who runs the world?"
Christians believe that God is omnipotent and can do all that He wills to do. The Lord Jesus remained God when His human nature suffered and died on the cross. He is fully able to run the universe even while sacrificing Himself for mankind. Truly God is great!

"how can jesus be human and God?"
Again, God is omnipotent. God was fully able to take on a human nature, just as the Jewish prophets had foretold repeatedly and just as the eyewitnesses of His resurrection affirmed.

"they did tell me that the world was darker in those three days which affirms that this is from the roman religion in which the SUN dies for 3 days and than the new SUN is born."
According to the Bible, the sky was dark for a few hours while Jesus hung on the cross, but there is nothing in the crucifixion accounts about darkness for 3 days or Roman myths.

[Catya Sher]

I guess I missed out on introduction. Who is Zirey?
A Pashtun Christian? Impossible !
An Arab Christian ?

N.B. about Mormons.
If this creep Romney gets elected -- and there are plenty of indications
that the Zionists want him out of all the Republican candidates --
suddenly the world will be anxiously studying what Mormons and believe.

So it IS a propos to bone up on their truly bizarre beliefs.
Good thing is they by custom don't drink alcohol or coffee.
Prohibition against TEA, however, is BEYOND me ! It's one of the
best and healthiest of foods.

The point is that they have some really strange beliefs.

Further to [wast it Afgh2010's ?] point about believing that they
will become 'gods' -
specifically, they believe, as they are instructed by their FAKE
"bishops" which are simply laypeople who take on the responsibility
of spiritually guiding members of their "ward" - it's called.
A strange name, does not sound religious at all, like a Church does
Anyway, they go to these "bishops" to take a blessing and be "prayer over"
like Protestants sometimes do, for healings or whatever.

So the Mormons are told that - get a load of THIS -
EACH ONE of their number will become the "god" of HIS or HER OWN
PLANET !!

Then, too, they believe that members of their family who died and
were never "baptised" into their Mormon faith can be
"baptised" in a ceremony conducted by mortals here on earth.

It's so bizarre. They have these books that were supposedly brought
by an "angll" called Moroni - probably a devil or something in disguise -
and they are so wacky.

As an Iranian emigrant college student said to me, "WHO could beleive THAT??"
Her honesty was refreshing.

By the way, I won't fail to mention that on campuses, ALL these
Protestant / "Christian" groups never lose a moment in trying to
recruit an uncertain new foreigner to their belief system.

She confessed that she had briefly joined some non-denominational
"Christian" group but backed out after a while.

I am mentioning this because in the rush to fit in with American
students, so many Muslims are tempted by various things like this.
She wasn't a Muslim, I found out later.
She was a Bahai....that's how she was admitted to the U.S., for
ostensible 'persecution'. Otherwise no Iranians would be allowed
to emigrate here in these recent tense years.

Finally : Christians usually DO NOT see Mormons as Christians.
Mormons are aware of this, and thus stress Jesus all over the place to try to gain acceptance.
They are keen to feel persecuted by other Americans. They are more interested in their
supposed 'prophet', Joseph Smith, than Jesus as far as I could see from exterior observation.
I think the name "Church of jesus Christ of Latter-day saints" is a COVER !

Too, they refer to themselves as "LDS" not as "Mormons" which is probably viewed
as a bit derogatory term used by outsiders for their idea system.

[haviZsultan]

Not just christians but also atheists and our nighbours are hindu with tons of idols in their homes,we get along just fine.

you are uneducated and make up stuff to satisfy your biased view point.
i have full respect for westerners for having their culture intact unlike wannabees such as you who spread lies about his supposed people and call it liberalism and at the same time cry about tolerance.
while you are showing no sign of tolerance yourself.

I am emotional. It is hard for me to accept the people destroying our land in such a brutal manner are actually paraded as superheroes by some people.
Plus we talk about tolerance... everyone is taught to be tolerant towards other faiths, other nationalities, other races... even the others skin colour. But I admit I have never been taught how to be tolerant to the taliban, people we call terrorists.

But you are right. That is your choice and I should not blame you for supporting the Taliban.

I believe you are a by-product of American policy which in 1980's created thousands of you just to see a soviet defeat. Those same Americans came running back when their little towers got destroyed. They caused this mess.

I just wish we didn't have to pay for it. After all its MUSLIMS/Pakistanis/Afghans/Iraqis/Yemenis/Somalis dying daily in the suicide bombings and killings the fanatics commit.

[Al Hanif]

^ complete nonsense

Now I understand why Alchemist wanted you to be banned.

[Old School Killiwal]

i made this thread on 11-27-2011, 05:04 PM and niggas is still going.

[evilbunny]

do they worship jesus, allah or "holy spirit" or all three of them? i have read somewhere that they believe all 3 of them = god, so arent they polytheists?

Christians aren't polytheists. As they don't believe in three diffrent gods, but rather a single god that has three indivisible, aspects or forms.

In the Old Testament "god walked though the garden of eden" and appeared as a burning bush etc. Hence god can manfests himself in diffrent forms. Quite why such a proposition is unreasonable to Muslims, given the fact that god is an omnipotent being I don't know.

also, how can they believe jesus was son of god and god at the same time? and also, how can god die? who is holy spirit?

Jesus not only died he was resurrected from the dead. However the point is that Jesus was god manfested as a mortal man and he died as a sin offering. Hence when Jesus died everyone who came before him where absolved from their sins. The Christian religion in some sence is a reformation of Judaism and it draws upon much older messianic Jewish traditions.

God is omnipresent and the holy spirit is a mystical manifestation of god akin to a ghost or a presence.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Christians aren't polytheists. As they don't believe in three diffrent gods, but rather a single god that has three indivisible, aspects or forms.

In the Old Testament "god walked though the garden of eden" and appeared as a burning bush etc. Hence god can manfests himself in diffrent forms. Quite why such a proposition is unreasonable to Muslims, given the fact that god is an omnipotent being I don't know.

This is really a play on language and also internally contradictory. If there are "thee different forms" of God, then the 4th Form would have been a Burning Bush and even better yet, why limit it to just 3 or 4, Infinite regression; everything can then really be a form of God, and thus the focus on Jesus or any other secondary form becomes not only void of merit but inconsequential and redundant. And even taking it a step further since "Forms" are terminable and God by definition is not terminable. then really these "forms" of God cannot really be equated to God. Which leaves the only possibility that Christians do in fact worship Three Idols they taken to "represent" God. And not God.

Jesus not only died he was resurrected from the dead. However the point is that Jesus was god manfested as a mortal man and he died as a sin offering. Hence when Jesus died everyone who came before him where absolved from their sins. The Christian religion in some sence is a reformation of Judaism and it draws upon much older messianic Jewish traditions.

This is only a narrative; something rebutted by Bart Ehman and modern Biblical Scholarship

God is omnipresent and the holy spirit is a mystical manifestation of god akin to a ghost or a presence.

This concept itself would nullify the notion of trinity; since "God being omnipresent" means he is present everywhere in all things thus, there is not one central place or location God manifested in.

[roadrunner]

revolution, what's your problem? People are not sticking up for Christianity, to defend something illogical, they are explaining it to you. Can't you see that, or are you too thick?