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  • We simply do not agree Ozymandias.

    For me you seem to ignore your responsibility and claim a better moral ground that those who do not support your view. You also seem not to understand that you can not compare countries that have not experencied a war in 150 years on their soil and to countries who have been through wars, civil wars, dictators etc. Most of these things because of american intervention just like in Afghanistan. The world is not stupid they can see your hypocrisy.

    The fall of your economy and conflict between your people as seen this month is not only because of your bad economy but your rotten society and hypocrisy.

    Before you sort your own problems you are the last to impose anything on any foreign countries with the excuse of so called morale you do not even do yourself.

    Look at your criminality, unemployment rate, all the wrong things in your society. All this has been happening in a so called free and democratic country. The one with ressources. And you dare to compare with war torn countries.

    Not to talk about your war crimes etc.

    The resistance will never die as long as you are who you are and impose puppet corrupt governments.

    Juba Sniper Full 15 minutes (Baghdads Sniper)

    This will be the answer and right of people when you invade and kill civilians, impose puppet governments and in the same time dare to claim moral high ground despite being easily as guilty to things you oppose and arguably much more because of your hypocrisy.

    So my question.

    Do you appose the right of defending your own people, culture, religion from invadors?

    What would you do if someone attacked your country on a false pretext and installed a puppet government that do everything your enemy wants them to do?

    Straight answers please and not yes and no as you do before.
    Last edited by al-arab; 10-16-2011, 09:00 AM.

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    • Al-Arab, I am not a supporter of the US occupation of Iraq, but I was not a supporter of Saddam's occupation either, since he was a previously created puppet.

      To me, it seems as if Iraq itself is an artificial creation of the British, who sought to create an oil source for themselves. Britain was not very successful in its creation of Iraq, in carving out so much territory from the Persian empire. That's why Iraq has always been in a state of either anarchy or repression. What I feel will happen to Iraq in the long run, is that it will disintegrate, with Shias affiliating more closely with Iran, and Kurds breaking free in the north, while Sunni Arabs like yourself are just left with a small slice, or even driven out of the country. I'm not saying that I want this to happen, I'm just saying that's what looks like will happen.

      My question to you is - what kind of Iraq do you support?
      And what do Pashtuns have to do with the Arab world? Are you simply seeking to use them, like Brzezinski? Do you need to rope in somebody else to fight your battles for you?
      Last edited by Guest; 10-16-2011, 05:23 PM.

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      • Afghanistan is also an artificial creation of the British

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        • Yes, it's true, and so it may be possible that in the future that the borders of Afghanistan will change and revert back to Pashtunistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and maybe even a Khorasan or Hazara ethnic region too.

          If NWFP reunifies with southern Afghanistan, then Baluchis may also have an independent Baluchistan. For a long time, Pakistan didn't want to develop a port over there, but now that they have, Gwadar would become an automatic link for Pashtuns to the ocean.

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          • LOL he ran away!!!

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            • Originally posted by sanman View Post
              Al-Arab, I am not a supporter of the US occupation of Iraq, but I was not a supporter of Saddam's occupation either, since he was a previously created puppet.

              To me, it seems as if Iraq itself is an artificial creation of the British, who sought to create an oil source for themselves. Britain was not very successful in its creation of Iraq, in carving out so much territory from the Persian empire. That's why Iraq has always been in a state of either anarchy or repression. What I feel will happen to Iraq in the long run, is that it will disintegrate, with Shias affiliating more closely with Iran, and Kurds breaking free in the north, while Sunni Arabs like yourself are just left with a small slice, or even driven out of the country. I'm not saying that I want this to happen, I'm just saying that's what looks like will happen.

              My question to you is - what kind of Iraq do you support?
              And what do Pashtuns have to do with the Arab world? Are you simply seeking to use them, like Brzezinski? Do you need to rope in somebody else to fight your battles for you?
              I never said I was a supporter of Saddam. I think I made it clear that he was a dictator and non-muslim. Just look how his regime behaved and especially his crazy sons ( the oldest Uday). The torture, corruption and genocide (yes I am not a Kurd but they are Sunnis nor I am a Shia but they are Arabs also).

              But the problem is that america replaced a dictator with a puppet government.

              About Iraq, no I don't agree with you.

              Iraq, as you probably know has been Iraq for thousands of years. Iraq is older than Persia. If anything Kuwait and western parts of Iran are old Iraqi land. Persias cultural center was in the souteast (Persopolis) not close to Iraq or the Perisan Gulf, Arab world.

              It is truth that we have secterian problems unfortunately and it is also truth that there are Sunni Arabs, Shias (who ALSO are Arabs, NOT persians) and Kurds.

              It is also truth that there have been problems between Kurds and us Sunni Iraqi Arabs but what makes us unite is our religion (sunni Islam).

              It is more diifcult with Shia Arabs because of the religion.

              It is very difficult to answer and you are right than in many cases Iraq look similar to Afghanistan but not as complex because we only have 3 large groups of people (or two if not looking at the religion (Sunni-Shia) but only ethnicity and that is Arabs and Kurds.

              But we always had very many different ethnic groups from Assyrians, Christians and even Jews. Turkmens etc.

              You need to remember that there officially are 40 percent Sunni Iraqi Arabs but the real number is probably much higher. This is also the opinion of many Arabs schoolars not from Iraq and even the King of Jordan.

              So why won't be left with little part but whole Al-Anbar province, middle of Iraq and southwest Iraq.

              But I am optimistic as long as Iran will be get out of influence and we look at the Arab world because we are a Arab people (more than 85 percent) so Iran should go away and look for Azeris and Tajiks.

              I support a Sunni Arab dominated Iraq as it always has been. I support a freely elected Iraq government, not puppets, I support closer ties to Arab World than Iran and I support a Muslim society for those who are Muslims. But not extremists and I support all minorities and unity in the country. If that will not work I support some kind of autonomy for Kurds in the north but not Shias because Shias are just like us only difference is religion. So that should not be a problem as we both are Muslims, Shia or Sunnis. The problem right now is Iran interference and Kurds wish for their own country. But won't happen because otherwise not only Iraq need to give up land but also Syria, Turkey and Iran. That' won't happen. But maybe autonomy (as they also have right now, some kind of it) will be good on the long run. Now we need to work together to build up the country again, retain our natural ressoruces for ourself, elect a new government and kick out Iran influence with help from Arab (and also Western world).

              Sunni insurgency against Shia milits was a reaction to secterian killings by them (they were supported by Iran) to gain more influence in Iraq. But that was not permitted and they got defeated. But most of them (shias) wanted revenge for Saddams rule (and I can understand it somehow) but they should not target civilians and remember that Saddam also commited crimes against all. But this is a very short and somehow bad answer so I will return to that another day.

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              • Oh what is Juba doing here, i remember the great days in which the Islamic Resistance ( like Al Rashidun army , Islamic army of Iraq , Army of Mujahideen, and many other small groups) inflected heavy casaulties on the american terrorists and their allies , i salute to them for sure they are among the soldiers of Allah who fought for the freedom of the poor nation and islam.And some stil until today are resisting this Occupation with the Success that the Occupiers retreated.
                High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                • Originally posted by gomal View Post
                  hello, ozymandias.

                  please answer this:

                  are you against hip hop? does it bother you? are you a fan of it? do you think its a negative influence for children?

                  thank you.
                  I am not a fan of it, simply because typically lacks talent, or redeeming qualities as music. I tend to enjoy complex music, where the musicians portray a range of vocal abilities, a range of musical talents, and the ability to generate new material that is not lifted from other sources.

                  I think that children are often a bit young to understand many of the complex issues presented in this music unaided. They are still in their formative years, and a one-sided glorification of a criminal lifestyle that is prevalent in this type of music is not a good thing for them. When they are older and can have the issues explained to this, they can make their own musical choices.
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                  "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                  "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                  أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                  (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                  • Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
                    i think this ozy cant take the questions.
                    Why would you say that? I have responded to almost every single post in two threads, often in the face of multiple antagonistic posters -- many times in the space of a single reply from me 2-3 new posts are made for me to reply to.
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                    "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                    "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                    أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                    (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                    • Originally posted by al-arab View Post

                      Do you appose the right of defending your own people, culture, religion from invadors?
                      No. I support the human rights of all people. Anyone seeking to force me to give up any of my rights will need to expect opposition from me. Anyone invading to *GIVE ME* my rights would get a welcoming hand, and I would work on their side every step of the way.


                      What would you do if someone attacked your country on a false pretext and installed a puppet government that do everything your enemy wants them to do?
                      Depends. As long as the government was not fascist, or a dictatorship, I would use my democratically supplied powers to reform the government and work peacefully towards a democracy. If it was an oppressive regime that denied me my rights, I would do everything in my power to correct that.


                      Straight answers please and not yes and no as you do before.
                      Yes and no are the only straight answers.
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                      "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                      "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                      أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                      (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                      • Originally posted by gomal View Post
                        LOL he ran away!!!
                        Who ran away?
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                        "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                        "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                        أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                        (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                        • Then you acknowledge the resistance if I have understood you correctly if the installed government (by foreing invadors) is corrupt?

                          Let me ask another question?

                          Do you think religion and politics should be seperated? If so why? In my opinion it is impossible. 99 percent of all jurisdiction in the western world is based on christianity people just don't know it because they think God is not neccessary (very bad).

                          Do you no people who have been in Iraq (or Afghanistan)? What do they tell you? Do they see a point in being there? If so, what exactly? They must have learnt that changes through violence and corruption will not happen. But they are just tools you can argue and to a certain extent it is truth.

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                          • Originally posted by al-arab View Post
                            Then you acknowledge the resistance if I have understood you correctly if the installed government (by foreing invadors) is corrupt?
                            The sole purpose of a government is to protect the rights and interests of it's citizens. It is acceptable to resist the imposition of an unjust government.


                            Let me ask another question?

                            Do you think religion and politics should be seperated?
                            Of course.


                            If so why?
                            To do otherwise would be to infringe upon the rights of the people.


                            In my opinion it is impossible. 99 percent of all jurisdiction in the western world is based on christianity people just don't know it because they think God is not neccessary (very bad).
                            Or, you know, you could be wrong.


                            Do you no people who have been in Iraq (or Afghanistan)?
                            Yes.


                            What do they tell you? Do they see a point in being there?
                            They told me that they felt they were making a huge difference, and that many of the locals opposed them -- but many more thanked them for being there.


                            If so, what exactly? They must have learnt that changes through violence and corruption will not happen.
                            But they have happened -- so that lesson is false.


                            But they are just tools you can argue and to a certain extent it is truth.
                            ...?
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                            "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                            "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                            أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                            (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                            • Originally posted by Soldat_Amir View Post
                              Heres a Fun Question Ozy, what if we nuked the moon, what would the consequences be?

                              I know it sounds like a stupid question, but I was in the car, and it just came to my mind.

                              Thanks
                              Most likely nothing, as the moon is too large, and the nuclear capabilities of mankind are too weak to do too much damage to even the moon. It would take a fantastic amount of energy to destroy the moon. Odds are very good that we would just muddy up some of the features on the moon, and leave a radioactive crater.
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                              "There was so much to grok, so little to grok from. "

                              "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                              أنا آسف ، أنا لا أقرأ أو لا يتكلم اللغة العربية. وسوف تبذل جهدا لترجمة مع ترجمة جوجل. يرجى أن يكون فهم من هذا الحاجز.
                              (I'm sorry, I do not read or speak Arabic. I will make an effort to translate with Google translate. Please be understanding of this barrier.)

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                              • Originally posted by ozymandias View Post
                                Most likely nothing, as the moon is too large, and the nuclear capabilities of mankind are too weak to do too much damage to even the moon. It would take a fantastic amount of energy to destroy the moon. Odds are very good that we would just muddy up some of the features on the moon, and leave a radioactive crater.
                                What if the Moon is gone....how would the earth be affected?

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