Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[ozymandias]

are u in love with toramakha kaffir???

I'm sorry, I do not understand the question. It appears that 'kaffir' is a racist term for a person of African decent, but I do not know what 'toramakha' means. Can someone translate for me?

[gomal]

toba!!! all kafir girls are daama!!!
one time me and my sister went to discotheque and TOBA TOBA!!!!!!!!!! do u know what was there????? BAD THINGS even more bad then anywhere!!! alcohol and dancing and daamtob and even *** Allah toba!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alchemist]

You don't think you could kill a person with one?

You think you can suppress 200 something people and a few military trained pilots with a box cutter.

How logical is that?

What military pilots? These were civilian aircraft with civilian pilots. Who said they 'overcame' them, and didn't just pull a hostage and tell the pilot to leave the cockpit, or the hostage dies?

the pilots had anti terrorist training.

A bet half of all American kids could do it. It's not hard to point the plane at something. The hard parts are taking off and landing. Heck, when I was in 4th grade *I* flew a plane. It wasn't hard. I just pointed the stick where I wanted to go, and the actual pilot did the landing/take off.

Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks - YouTube

These are pilots testifying to the difficulties associated with the manoeuvres that the alleged amature hijackers carried out. They tried hitting the buildings with smaller airplanes in simulators and couldn't do it!
Did you fly an airliner at knot 68? You are being intellectually dishonest! Once again!

Not really. I can't believe it without evidence, and once it has evidence, it is not really ridiculous anymore.

What is the evidence that OBL carried it out?

There is plenty of documented facts that say the contrary.

Say what now?



Actually, you have that reversed. He supposedly denied it *prior* to his confession.



I did. Why don't you?



Actually, no. That's actually why I am here, as I have stated time and time again.



Facts are true. This is not true, ergo, not a fact.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Part 1 of 13 - Presentation by Richard Gage - YouTube

An architect explains to you the FACTS! The fact that they were not destroyed by fire but by controlled demolition with explosives.

Eye witness testimony of molten steel. Do you know how much heat is required to bend 6inch I beam steel?

Twin Tower Fires Not Hot Enough to Melt or Weaken Steel! Fire Could Not Have Brought Down Towers! - YouTube

This is the on site construction manager and he says the buildings could have withstood multiple impacts of jetliners because the grid structure of the buildings were like mosquito nettings of your windows, and the plane going through it would be like a pencil puncturing the netting.

But being the delusional man that you are you will obviously shrug all this evidence aside. You may not even care to look at it because it will literally blow your mind.

Pulled down? I think you translated that wrong. You mean "burned down". Considering the damage to the 2 towers, and the proximity of WTC 7, the lack of a fire suppression system, and the lack of firefighters to combat the blaze, the building burning down is not very strange at all.

Your condescending statements never cease to surprise me.

No! Jackass! I didn't "translate" it wrong.

They were literally "pulled down".


Here is the owner of the building saying that he gave the order to have them "pulled it "..

WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry Silverstein - YouTube

Let's go for it. Maybe you will have better luck that you did disproving evolution.

Oh yeah...you soo proved evolution.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

But being the delusional man that you are you will obviously shrug all this evidence aside.

lol so Alchemist, you're not just a (young earth) creationist but also a truther? You do know that virtually every claim made by these truthers has been debunked very comprehensively, right? All you have to do is Google the answers to every allegation made by these people. Everything from how the twin towers collapsed to how even the WTC-7 collapsed has been explained very logically.

What's next - the Americans never landed on the moon? AIDS was created in American labs to kill off black Africans? Aliens built the pyramids? Evolution is a hoax? No wait, you've done that one already.

[ozymandias]

You think you can suppress 200 something people and a few military trained pilots with a box cutter.

How logical is that?

Very. Prior to 9-11 all hostage situations on planes resulted in a wait on a runway somewhere, and an attempt at a hostage exchange. Prior to 9-11, there was no incentive to fight.

Also, there you go pretending these were combat pilots with hand-to-hand combat experience.

the pilots had anti terrorist training.

And prior to 9-11, the training was 'stay calm, give them what they want, and no one gets hurt.'

Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks - YouTube

These are pilots testifying to the difficulties associated with the manoeuvres that the alleged amature hijackers carried out. They tried hitting the buildings with smaller airplanes in simulators and couldn't do it!

You mean it is harder to hit a building with a smaller plane? *gasp* SHOCKING!

Did you fly an airliner at knot 68? You are being intellectually dishonest! Once again!

No, I did not -- but the controls and physics are all basically the same, as long as you are not actually landing or taking off with the planes.

What is the evidence that OBL carried it out?

You mean his repeated confessions? Or do you mean the reports published by several government's investigations? Or the chatter they recorded, but did not understand prior to the events?

There is plenty of documented facts that say the contrary.

Let's see some. Stop saying it exists, and provide it. You are going to have to find something spectacular to trump a *confession*.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Part 1 of 13 - Presentation by Richard Gage - YouTube

An architect explains to you the FACTS! The fact that they were not destroyed by fire but by controlled demolition with explosives.


Eye witness testimony of molten steel. Do you know how much heat is required to bend 6inch I beam steel?

Twin Tower Fires Not Hot Enough to Melt or Weaken Steel! Fire Could Not Have Brought Down Towers! - YouTube

Around 1600 degrees. Considering a standard house fire gets around 1100 degrees, this is not out of reason. As for the melted metal, many experts have pointed out that it was not steel.

This is the on site construction manager and he says the buildings could have withstood multiple impacts of jetliners because the grid structure of the buildings were like mosquito nettings of your windows, and the plane going through it would be like a pencil puncturing the netting.

But being the delusional man that you are you will obviously shrug all this evidence aside. You may not even care to look at it because it will literally blow your mind.

Yes, I will shrug this all aside -- because expert testimony has debunked these claims repeatedly.

Your condescending statements never cease to surprise me.

No! Jackass! I didn't "translate" it wrong.

They were literally "pulled down".


Here is the owner of the building saying that he gave the order to have them "pulled it "..

WTC 7 - Pull It By Larry Silverstein - YouTube

You know what 'pull it' means? It means 'pull the crews out and stop risking lives to save the building.' This has been thoroughly explained numerous times, and is quite common English.

Oh yeah...you soo proved evolution.

Far more than you have disproved anything, so far.

[Alchemist]

So you deny eye witness testimonies. You deny expert claims.
The evidence against the official 9/11 story out weights the evidence for it.

If you were an honest intellectual, you would have pointed out how exactly each of those statements were false.

Instead a 4 year old pilot, who could easily have been mislead into believing that he is a pilot, has a better case against trained and experienced pilots.

Zelmay, you are a conformist sheep who only believes what he does because he suffers from an inferiority complex. You want people like ozy to accept you as one of them so you mould your beliefs to the status quo. And if ozy cared about truth and logic he wouldn't have thanked you for committing a blatant fallacy and falsely slandering me.

It's called Mind Projection Fallacy.
Look it up.

[al-arab]

You might not deny it (that you (americans) have comitted horrible things (while claiming to represent the opposite) but no need to lie. Your government know BEFORE the invasion that Saddam did not have any chemical weapons. This can be seen in Wikileaks, the source you don't have "time for" to see.

No wonder that your government want to punish people like Assange (or what his name is) for showing the truth face of your government.

But let me ask you this question.

What did you actually do for Iraq that we Arabs ourselves could not have done without a war? Why not support Iraq financial before the war? Support people with weapons so they could defaet their tyrants by themselve? Just like in Libya?

Do you think all problems/dialog can be solved by war?

Do you think that your claim of USA representing human rights etc. can be taken serious when you at the same time commit genocide, don't convict war criminals, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Wikileaks etc.

It is like a thief or muder teaching kids not to steal or kill. You see the paradocs?

[Alchemist]

Very. Prior to 9-11 all hostage situations on planes resulted in a wait on a runway somewhere, and an attempt at a hostage exchange. Prior to 9-11, there was no incentive to fight.

Can you name of incident where a man with a box cutter was able to take over an airplane?

Also, there you go pretending these were combat pilots with hand-to-hand combat experience.

Obviously you never had military training.

The pilots on the plane were David Charlebois, and Captain Charles Burlingame III. Charles Burlingame III was an Aeronautical engineer, a graduate of the Naval Academy, and Top Gun Pilot School. He also flew F-4 fighter jets, and developed anti-terrorism strategies at the Pentagon before retiring in 1989 to take a job at American Airlines. He would remain active in the reserve, and antiterrorism exercises until 1996

I wonder how you will counter this information?

And prior to 9-11, the training was 'stay calm, give them what they want, and no one gets hurt.'

Give them what they want?
Sure, even NORAD had to stand down to let them have what they want. You think the pentagon didn't take into consideration the possibility of such a scenario?

You mean it is harder to hit a building with a smaller plane? *gasp* SHOCKING!

A trained and experienced pilot attests to this and you are smirking?
You truly are an intellectual fraud.

No, I did not -- but the controls and physics are all basically the same, as long as you are not actually landing or taking off with the planes.

Of course, a 4 year old pilot would know more about the difficulties of flying an airliner. You keep countering expert testimony? Mind blowing.

You mean his repeated confessions? Or do you mean the reports published by several government's investigations? Or the chatter they recorded, but did not understand prior to the events?



Let's see some. Stop saying it exists, and provide it. You are going to have to find something spectacular to trump a *confession*.

There was only one video. You liar.
Show me the "repeated confessions"! If you are honest!

Around 1600 degrees. Considering a standard house fire gets around 1100 degrees, this is not out of reason. As for the melted metal, many experts have pointed out that it was not steel.

The engineer and architects go on record and tell us all that it can withstand 3000 degrees of heat, but here comes ozy who says otherwise. He actually designed the twin towers...obviously he knows more about that. Oh no! It wasn't steel! It was Aluminum! Oh yeah...that explains everything! Aluminum columns! You jackass!

Yes, I will shrug this all aside -- because expert testimony has debunked these claims repeatedly.

Yes, scientists have been debunked. Only when they say something that fits with your delusions you accept it (evolution delusion).

Cognitive disonnance much?

You know what 'pull it' means? It means 'pull the crews out and stop risking lives to save the building.' This has been thoroughly explained numerous times, and is quite common English.

Yeah, "It" means crews. The school bus pulled it's load out.

You sly fox!

In the context of the discussion, pull it is a common phrase used by demolition experts!

LOL.

You googled it, and out of the 10 that showed evidence that it is a term for demolition experts, you chose the one that fits your delusions. Selectively reading...a symptom of a delusional mind.

Far more than you have disproved anything, so far.

Oh yeah, you are also the emperor of Rome.

[ozymandias]

So you deny eye witness testimonies. You deny expert claims.

Nope, I a referring to the experts. You are the one denying them -- just like you do with evolution.

The evidence against the official 9/11 story out weights the evidence for it.

Then where is this evidence? Once again, you keep talking about it, and the only 'evidence' you present is easily debunked. Sheer weight does not matter -- what matters is if it is true and valid or not.

If you were an honest intellectual, you would have pointed out how exactly each of those statements were false.

If you were an honest video, you would not have posted garbage videos.

Instead a 4 year old pilot, who could easily have been mislead into believing that he is a pilot, has a better case against trained and experienced pilots.

What 4 year old pilot?

Experienced pilots have debunked the conspiracy theorists, why not listen to them? That's right -- it does not fit your bias, only reality.

Zelmay, you are a conformist sheep who only believes what he does because he suffers from an inferiority complex. You want people like ozy to accept you as one of them so you mould your beliefs to the status quo.

Personal attacks. Classy.

And if ozy cared about truth and logic he wouldn't have thanked you for committing a blatant fallacy and falsely slandering me.

You mean like you and Al Hanif do? The major difference being that I have science, logic and facts, while you have juvenile personal attacks and lies.

It's called Mind Projection Fallacy.
Look it up.

Funny how you keep projecting your faults onto others, and keep attacking me by pretending I am acting like you do.

[Alchemist]

Sorry...but you are running out of steam son.

There is no evidence in the above arguments. Just conjectures!


Stop lying to your self and get a life.

[ozymandias]

You might not deny it (that you (americans) have comitted horrible things (while claiming to represent the opposite) but no need to lie. Your government know BEFORE the invasion that Saddam did not have any chemical weapons. This can be seen in Wikileaks, the source you don't have "time for" to see.

I don't have time to watch 20 minute videos.

So what if the government knew before hand? Everyone knows the government knew before hand. My point is that the American public did *NOT* know before hand, and thus cannot be blamed for acting on false knowledge they thought was trustworthy.

No wonder that your government want to punish people like Assange (or what his name is) for showing the truth face of your government.

But let me ask you this question.

What did you actually do for Iraq that we Arabs ourselves could not have done without a war?

Won the war.

Why not support Iraq financial before the war?

Because that would have supported the wrong side.

Support people with weapons so they could defaet their tyrants by themselve? Just like in Libya?

That's a good question, and I don't know -- but I do know that if that had happened, you would be asking why we just armed rebels. It's a lose-lose situation.

Do you think all problems/dialog can be solved by war?

War is a last resort, and will not always work, but it's often better than nothing.

Do you think that your claim of USA representing human rights etc. can be taken serious when you at the same time commit genocide, don't convict war criminals, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Wikileaks etc.

Yes, simply because of the degrees of difference.

It is like a thief or muder teaching kids not to steal or kill. You see the paradocs?

Actually, it's like a man that killed an intruder in his home for the safety of his family teaching not to go on murderous rampages.

[Alchemist]

American people are dumb.

That is a fact.

And they have been dumbed down by their own government.

Pleading ignorance is not plausible. You can't plead ignorance in a court.

Pure sophistry.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Zelmay, you are a conformist sheep who only believes what he does because he suffers from an inferiority complex. You want people like ozy to accept you as one of them so you mould your beliefs to the status quo. And if ozy cared about truth and logic he wouldn't have thanked you for committing a blatant fallacy and falsely slandering me.

It's called Mind Projection Fallacy.
Look it up.

So being called a creationist and a truther amounts to slander? And why would I want people like Ozymandias to accept me? Your post doesn't make any sense to me, sorry. My beliefs are molded by the evidence, which is something that you're yet to provide for any of your beliefs.

For people with common sense, creationism and the truth movement are pretty much the same as the moon-landing conspiracy, the planet Nibiru theory and what not. They're all based on mythology but have been refuted thoroughly nonetheless. Only the people who are too lazy or too scared to read the arguments from the other side still believe in them.

By the way, I would consider myself a truther around 5-6 years ago. I mean, the way the WTC-7 collapsed without even being hit by a plane and the way a "small fire" brought the whole building down was nothing short of clear-cut evidence that 9/11 was an inside-job and anyone who believed otherwise was delusional. And then I looked at the evidence from the other side of the story. And you know what I found out? I found out that these truthers and conspiracy theorists deliberately feed half-truths to their audiences to play on their ignorance. For every expert opinion these truthers have, there are dozens on the other side to confront and negate them.

[ozymandias]

Can you name of incident where a man with a box cutter was able to take over an airplane?

Sure. 9-11. You have presented no evidence to the contrary.

Obviously you never had military training.

The pilots on the plane were David Charlebois, and Captain Charles Burlingame III. Charles Burlingame III was an Aeronautical engineer, a graduate of the Naval Academy, and Top Gun Pilot School. He also flew F-4 fighter jets, and developed anti-terrorism strategies at the Pentagon before retiring in 1989 to take a job at American Airlines. He would remain active in the reserve, and antiterrorism exercises until 1996

I wonder how you will counter this information?

So two pilots flew 4 planes? Which was the pilot, and which the co-pilot?

Give them what they want?
Sure, even NORAD had to stand down to let them have what they want. You think the pentagon didn't take into consideration the possibility of such a scenario?

Since when were there representatives from the Pentagon on each flight? We are talking the pilot's training and the reactions of the passengers. Let's try and stick to one topic.

A trained and experienced pilot attests to this and you are smirking?
You truly are an intellectual fraud.





Of course, a 4 year old pilot would know more about the difficulties of flying an airliner.

What 4 year old pilot are you talking about?

You keep countering expert testimony? Mind blowing.

You would think you would be used to it by now.

There was only one video. You liar.

Actually, there were three, that I am aware of:

"In the 2004 Osama bin Laden video, bin Laden abandoned his denials without retracting past statements. In it he stated he had personally directed the nineteen hijackers.[119][131]"

"Through two other tapes aired by Al Jazeera in 2006, Osama bin Laden announced, "I am the one in charge of the nineteen brothers. [...] I was responsible for entrusting the nineteen brothers [...] with the raids" (May 23, 2006).[133] In the tapes he was seen with Ramzi bin al-Shibh, as well as two of the 9/11 hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail al-Shehri, as they made preparations for the attacks (videotape broadcast September 7, 2006).[134]"

Show me the "repeated confessions"! If you are honest!

Find the videos yourself, if you insist on watching them.

The engineer and architects go on record and tell us all that it can withstand 3000 degrees of heat,

That's the close to the melting temperature -- which is 2750 for pure steel, and closer to 2700 for structural steel.

but here comes ozy who says otherwise.

You did not ask the *melting* temperature. You asked the temperature that it would *bend* at, which is approximately 60% the melting point -- especially under load.

He actually designed the twin towers...obviously he knows more about that. Oh no! It wasn't steel! It was Aluminum! Oh yeah...that explains everything! Aluminum columns! You jackass!

Or, you know, the aluminum from the planes themselves. Or the office furniture. Or maybe plastic. There are lots of things that can melt that are not steel in a building.

Yes, scientists have been debunked. Only when they say something that fits with your delusions you accept it (evolution delusion).

You are projecting again.

Cognitive disonnance much?

Seems like you do have a lot of it going on.

Yeah, "It" means crews. The school bus pulled it's load out.

You sly fox!

In the context of the discussion, pull it is a common phrase used by demolition experts!

LOL.

You googled it, and out of the 10 that showed evidence that it is a term for demolition experts, you chose the one that fits your delusions. Selectively reading...a symptom of a delusional mind.

Or you know, the ability to see that the other 9 pages are repeats of each other, and did not actually contain expert evidence.

Oh yeah, you are also the emperor of Rome.

Yet another claim you are going to need to have to prove. Your delusions seem to be growing.

[ozymandias]

American people are dumb.

That is a fact.

Only if you think an average IQ of 90-95 is dumb... and are willing to admit that the Middle East only manages 75-85 for an average...

IQ and Global Inequality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they have been dumbed down by their own government.

Pleading ignorance is not plausible. You can't plead ignorance in a court.

Pure sophistry.

Only one pleading ignorance is you.