Problem with Islam?

[tor_khan]

Admin Khan is very gracious when he writes that he can be "attacked" in the Moderators' place. His words speaks volumes about his strength of character and his drundwali. I would like to state, however, that many here choose to stand with Admin Khan and not behind him. We are incredibly fortunate to have an operator like Admin who values all Members of the forum.

Nobody needs to be attacked. We have a wonderful opportunity to learn on this forum, to inspire a sense of community and to act positively. Admin Khan has worked extremely hard to give space to a wide spectrum of opinion, but there comes a point when we have to accept that right is right, and wrong is wrong.

[Manzareh]

As being a new member, what i wanna know is this. If the following from the Khurasan member Sanger is true which is;

"Roshina is mocking the beliefs of orthodox Muslims and goes around saying god doesn't really exist.....Roshina? She questions the existence of god. And claims that quran does not provide sufficient evidence for the existence of god."

Then as Muslims, is anything being done to help her or are the Admins,Moderators,Seniors aiding her in her weak understanding of Islam? and guiding her on the streight path. If not then i think as Pashtuns and Muslims we should be ashamed of ourselfs. Islamopheobes like M16 and his crew are indirectly dragging people like Roshina into there deep,dark and filthy pits while leaders and so called Muslims of this group just watch her slip away and dont want to say anything incase "its not fair" "we cant gang up even if its for Islamic reasons" or something like that.

[unknownprince]

Manzareh, at the end of the day, it is someones choice whether they want to be Muslim or not. The rest is up to them, and they will be judged in the end!!!

Bottom line, there has to be equal observances of other forms of disrespect on this forum, most notably the disrespect against Islam and traditional values.

The permitting of the disrespect of Islam in the name of questioning does not fly. WHy? Because the only objective of such a poster is to mock Islam, and not to ask legitimate questions.

So if this behavior towards Islam continues, then the same behavior towards secularism can continue too!!!

Capiche!!!

[unknownprince]

As you said, you're new. So clearly, you don't know most members around here, unless you've been through at least 80% of their posts in order to make an informed opinion about them and their beliefs. You haven't done that, obviously, and I can tell because you seem to believe something that Sangar has said. Sangar? Who believes him? His words are meant to go through one ear and come out through the other because all he knows is lying and deception.

If you had your own mind, you'd actually go through people's posts to verify others' opinion. Unfortunately, many of us don't do that and believe everything we're told -- very representative of our intellect level.

Rest, Admin Khan and Tor Khan have said everything worth being said. Bless you two!

Well, the only liars I see are mostly people who are secular!!! They lie to spread their false ideas to others.

Roshina, there is no need to make assumptions about others and their intellect, not cool at all considering you are a moderator!!! This contradicts your own statement, and therefore would reflect your own intellect assuming your line of thought holds true!!!

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar,
I challenge you. Can you give me 1 proof where I have removed your post for no reason? Can you offer 1 proof in which the staff has in a mysterious form worked against you? It's a psychological problem when someone always thinks each and every action revolves around him or her. Nonetheless, all of our deleted posts can be restored. So refrain from your nonsense, you make it seem like we delete your posts because you are speaking the truth. The last thread I recall deleting of yours, was the one in which you began calling senior members of Pashtun Forums 'kaffirs', because they somehow did not meet your skewed definition of a Muslim. You are making many bod claims, such as Admin is a dishonest person. However, what have I done to you? I haven't spoken to you in months! Osho is extremely busy as well, and I have not spoken to him in at least 3 months as well. You can attack me, but don't you dare attack Tor_Khan and Mahzala, stay within your limits, you are not above the law here. You and I both know you have insulted a handful of members. I have given you your own little space, and PF can't be more transparent than your post above in which you have attacked the staff once again. It is you not me who runs around saying ALL the moderators are Benamoos. Learn to talk with respect, stop making lies to gain public sympathy. I am busy with school work, that should not mean you can run around formulating lies for your own strategic benefits. Try finding another Pashtun Forum which has more threads, Islamic threads, than PF. In fact, many don't even have a Religion section. Lying, cheating and badmouthing are all sins in that very Islam you preach. If you don't like it here, feel free to find a better community. I, along with the rest of the team have been fairly lenient when dealing with you, and it appears to me as if you are taking advantage of us.

As for the nonsense you are spreading about Psyops(whatever that is)stop spewing hate brother. I love hearing about developments, I love it when I find out a school has been constructed in Kunar or Kandahar. We have suffered enough already, and I only post about it because I want our people to know we have hope and our people might now have access to Pohantoons or hospitals. Many of those schools have not even been built by America, they are constructed by India or Turkey. Its a darn school, which makes me happy. In that school, Islam will be taught as well. We need proper education, and knowing we have one of the worst literacy rates in the world, I feel its vital. Usually when I find out a school or a bridge has been built, my thoughts revolve around the poor, cause I know it will benefit them. That is my intention behind it, actions are judged by intentions. So please, stop creating lies. Not everything revolves around the USA or you. If you have the intellectual ability of refuting a post, refute the editorials I post(which are not even mine)of various news outlets. I visit local Afghan news websites, and when I read or see that a new road has been constructed, I just know our infrastructure has now been slightly improved. That is all I care for. Stop being so naive.

General statement: We don't need Pashtuns in Pashtun Forums, who cant behave like a Pashtun. Being Pashtun does not mean speaking Pashto, there is much more to it.

That's just wonderful, a guy who uses his forum to promote American PsyOps propaganda talking about what Pashtunwale is.

You are very smart, you know that?

You delete my thread which was highly critical of your conduct, and you have access to it, and you lay the burden of proof on me? How am I suppose to produce evidence when you have deleted the evidence?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar is not off about Roshina, not at all. Sangar’s words should not go in one ear and out the other. He is a Muslim, a crazy one, might I add, but one crazy Muslim who loves Islam, and the Oneness of Allah. No ifs or buts about it.

Roshina presents herself as a Muslim, however, you will never see her disagree and write long posts against Atheists and the enemies of Islam, but she will go all out and write detailed critiques and criticisms and objection trying to prove a Muslim, any Muslim, wrong. All this only leads to one think: who’s side is she on? If she is not on the side of the enemies of Islam, then how come she does not write detailed critiques, criticizing and objecting them with her “knowledge,” in order to try toshow them why their opinion is wrong? Instead, you will see her “thank” them and write a post thanking them” so much” for bringing out the truth. If the truth is presented by the enemies of Islam, then why is she is still a Muslim? Mind boggling, eh? If she is trying to show Muslims where they went wrong, then fair enough, but at least admit that you are wrong when some Muslim academically proves you wrong, which has happened on NUMEROUS occasions. At least “thank” them and let them know that they had a valid point. She never does that. Mujib, who even she admits is very level headed, has proved her wrong on so many occasions, but she just remains quiet or simply implies “whatever.”

When her allegiance is being questioned it is not because we have anything against her, heck not too many people know each other personally, it is because as a moderator she is the backbone of the enemies of Islam, and is spineless towards her own fellow Muslim brothers and sisters.

Manzareh, Roshina would never want to learn from a Muslim. It is degrading for her. She would rather learn from Atheist institutions.

Wait until a thread comes up about whether God exists or not, you will see her side with the Atheists.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar lala, take out your anger on me, but not on Admin Khan, he is genuine. Believe me. He really likes you, and has a lot of respect for you. That does not mean that your opinion should change about him, it just means that you should not jump to conclusions about him.

Sangar khana, just be a bit calmer and collected, don't jump the gun easily. Islam will survive with or without your help or my help. It will survive despite the attacks of the enemies. Take it easy brother.

As a Pashtun, you are a guest here, just respect everyone's space. That does not mean that you allow the enemies of Islam go easily, expose them, but do it in a calm manner. You and I disagree on Islamic matters, BIG TIME; however, I don't mind when you say that I am not a Muslim. I just wish that you would bring proof, it would make a fruitful conversation.

Let us continue discussing.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Qadiani. I am not angry. If I was angry, I would have left this forum. I anjoy my freedom of speech here. Its wonderful. Plus I get the opportunity to rub secularists nose in the dirt.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Allah is my witness, that I love it when you call me Qadiani, even though it is degrading. The stone of a believer is sweeter than the flower of a disbeliever.

Sangar lala, let us be much more calmer and take advantage of this platform to spread the message of our belover Muhammad (saw).

[شمله ور خراساني]

lets do it. Lets spread the message of the final messenger.

How about starting by denouncing the false belief in ghulam ahmad qadiani, the british agent who was a demagogue and a kadhaab and a dajjal?

Do that and I will love you back for the sake of allah.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Who believes him?

Don't you have anything else to do? Like admiring women who do not remove the hair from their body?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

lets do it. Lets spread the message of the final messenger.

How about starting by denouncing the false belief in ghulam ahmad qadiani, the british agent who was a demagogue and a kadhaab and a dajjal?

Do that and I will love you back for the sake of allah.

Whenever you are ready. Only one condition, let us stick to the Quran only, we both, without a shadow of doubt believe that it is the word of Allah.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Whenever you are ready. Only one condition, let us stick to the Quran only, we both, without a shadow of doubt believe that it is the word of Allah.

http://www.islamhouse.com/d/files/en/ih_fatawa/en_The_saheeh_Sunnah_is_wahy_from_Allah.doc

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I don't have time now, but I will open it and see what it says. I will respond to it according.

In the meantime, as Admin Lala would say it, smile, you are loved.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

MI6, you also have a problem of jumping the gun? Your own logic is not that sharp. Don't mean to rub it in, but your numerous bans did not come because we disagreed with you. They came as a result of your ill-manners and uncontroleable passions. Relax and think before you ink.

The expression that I used had nothing to with politics. Secondly, understand that as much as you may hate Punjabis, they will be around for a long time and they will make your life misereable, if not directly at least for the fact that they exist. You are no different than nationalist Persians who hate Arabs and anything associated with Arabs, even Islam. This is how simple minded they are that they think that Islam is an Arab religion...lol...

Wake up, buddy. Your posts are only liked by like-minded simpletons. Those who are able to pinpoint the fallacies in your logic shake their head in disbelief. Don't attack Sangar or myself because it is convenient, i.e. ideological differences. That does not help your cause.

If you want to discuss anything, let us go at it. If you are not up for it, then remain in your neck of the woods and don't throw illogical comments without first thinking it over.

ps
I do like reading your posts, despite what I have said above, just stick to your role of bringing the Pashtun together. Stay off religion, it is not your forte.