Sufis Are On Haq

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

You are entitled to your opinion,but did you know that khomeini is the very same person who spoke in derogatory terms of the Sahabah Kiram? And do you know how Allah disgraced khomeini?

This so called sahabas crap everywhere. Why do you people insist on calling everybody a "sahaba", including munafiqeens? Not everyone was a Sahaba. You need to define who a sahabi is. You also need to set a merit, you can't just include every ayrah ghayrah in the category of "Sahabas". Like for example, if tomorrow you start yelling that Abu Jehel was a sahaba and therefore should be respected as such, and some people disagree with you and refuse to "respect" Abu Jehel. Does that mean those people "abuse" Sahabas? Or could it be that your definition of a Sahabi is wrong?
Anyways, check this, your own scholar saying something:

YouTube - Maulana Ishaq (Ahle-Sunnat) Muslim Unity Part 1 of 2 (Urdu)

YouTube - Maulana Ishaq (Ahle-Sunnat) Muslim Unity Part 2 of 2 (Urdu)

[Pakhtun_Policy]

LOL this "noor" is nothing but you brelwis finally exploring the wonders of Adobe Photo-Shop with the lens-flare function.

Also, lets see your picture, so i can examine your radiance, why are you hiding that "noor"? - care to post it, please? after all its the ONLY way I must judge someone according to you.

Jokes aside, I actually judge people on the merit of their words/actions. And after listening to one of your shiny sheikhs I can honestly say he sounds delusional and suicidal.




No joke. Listen and try not to wet yourself. This guy looks like he should be in a straight jacket.

The concept of Noor on ones face is something you wahabis will never grasp.But maybe this could help you understand that all comes down to following Quran and Sunnah as it should:

Hazarat Sultan Bahu (RA) talks about the 14 kinds of tajaliyat, or Noor and their various manifestations in hsi book Ain ul Faqr.

He writes:

"Know that the Tajalli (Divine self disclosing) is the name of light and it is of twelve kinds at twelve places. One should know that every tajalli may be known from its sign, impression and existent sensibility. The state of tajalli is the hardest state of all because the Gnostics, affirmers, men of remembrance, and those who have joined (wasileen) and thousands of aspirants have dove into the marshy waters of tajalliyat lost the way: they did not reach the shore of safety. Some turned back and others were entrapped by fame. There were those who went gradually to hell because of hypocrisy, innovation and supersensory acts. "

1."The first one is the light (tajalli) of sharia which concerns with the appearance. It manifests on the forehead"
(this must be the light so many of us see on people)

2."The second one is the light of tariqat (path). The light of the heart rises through that."

3."The third is the light of haqiqat (reality). The light of the spirit rises through it."

4."The fourth is the light of marifat (spiritual knowledge). The light of the mystery rises through it."

5."The fifth is the light of ishq (the passionate love). The light of the Divine secrets rises through it."

6."The sixth is the light of Murshid or Sheikh. The light of love and loyalty with the teacher rises through it."

7."The seventh is the light of Faqr (spiritual poverty). The light transcending all other than Allah rises through it."

8."The eighth is the light of angels. The light of glorification rises through it."

9."The ninth is the self-disclosure (tajalli) of jinn’s. Madness and insanity comes out of it."

10."The tenth is the disclosure of self. The light of lust and desire rises through it."

11."The eleventh is the disclosure of Satan. Disobedience and sin come up through it. "

12."The twelfth is the light of the sun. The light of the lightening rises through it."

13."The thirteenth is the light of the moon. The light of the reflection, rises through it."

14."The fourteenth is the light of the Names, the Name Allah, and the Name of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). The light of every letter becomes more luminous and brighter than the flame of the candle."

"In short, the light shines on the faces of the people of shariat. It shines over the hearts of the people of tariqat. The light shines over the people of marifat from top to toe. One should know that the external tajalli is of two kinds: Satanic and egotistic"

"If I explain the tajalli in full, all the papers may be committed to writing and folded up. "
Ain-ul-Faqr pg.25

I think you are the one who needs to be in a straight jacket. What Shayk Nazim is doing is nothing against Shariah . In fact he is giving you deviants a challenge if you are on Haq then come lets see who is really on Haq.Whoever is on Haq he will be saved by Allah. This is called muhabila( invoking the curse of Allah upon the liars).

Infact Muhabila was performed by Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and Allah tells us in the Quran the incident as follow:

"If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie! (Quran 3:61)

You can read about the whole incident here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Mubahila



Shayk Nazim gives to options to the wahabis.

1. Lets jump from Eiffel tower an invoke Allah to save the one who is upon Haq.

2. Come to Cyprus lets pray 2 rakats nafil and invoke Allah to curse the one who is liar. ( obviously the second options is deliberately not showed in the youtube video by the wahabi who made it to defame Shayk Nazim)

"Only for Wahhabi, Salafi people I may do la`ana. Which ta'ifa (faction/side) is on baatil, la`anatullahi `alayhim. I am not in need to Pisa Tower. No, come here. I am praying two rak`ats and asking, "O my Lord, if they are on true way, keep them. If they are on wrong way, and I am on right way, curse them!" Not one of them ever going back. Anyone brave? Anyone brave? Haha! I am weakest one, I am ready. Come to holy city al-Quds (Jerusalem) and to Prophet's (s) holiest mosque, calling Wahhabi and Salafi people in front of Ka`aba, and I am shouting, "The Lord of Ka`aba! I am weakest one, I am nothing, but if they are giving that power to me, I am changing this world from up-side, down!!!!""



The fact that no wahabi has come forward till this day to accept the challenge of an old man whose faith is solid hard ,shows that you wahabis are on batil. If you are afraid of jumping from Eiffel tower I will understand ,but at least meet up to pray the two rakat Nafil .

Anyone who wants to see the full transcript of Shayk Nazims challenge should read this:


http://www.sufismus-online.de/Sheikh...engeToTheWorld

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This so called sahabas crap everywhere. Why do you people insist on calling everybody a "sahaba", including munafiqeens? Not everyone was a Sahaba. You need to define who a sahabi is. You also need to set a merit, you can't just include every ayrah ghayrah in the category of "Sahabas". Like for example, if tomorrow you start yelling that Abu Jehel was a sahaba and therefore should be respected as such, and some people disagree with you and refuse to "respect" Abu Jehel. Does that mean those people "abuse" Sahabas? Or could it be that your definition of a Sahabi is wrong?
Anyways, check this, your own scholar saying something:

YouTube - Maulana Ishaq (Ahle-Sunnat) Muslim Unity Part 1 of 2 (Urdu)

YouTube - Maulana Ishaq (Ahle-Sunnat) Muslim Unity Part 2 of 2 (Urdu)

First of all the guy on the video is not my scholar. He is a HARDCORE WAHABI ,and has got nothing to do with us . He is a deviant.

Who are you or anyone else to give juedgement on Sahabah Kiram such as Hazrat Omar radhiALLAHu anhu, Hazrat Abu Baqr radhiALLAHu anhu and Hazrat Osman radhiALLAHu anhu when Allah has already given judgement :

"And the Foremost, the First among the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in a good way, ALLAH is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens underneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever and ever; that is the mighty triumph". ( 9 : 100 ) Al-Quran.

Do you know wich Sahabah emigrated with the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and was the Prophet Mohammads (pbuh) helpers? Hazrat Omar radhiALLAHu anhu, Hazrat Abu Baqr radhiALLAHu anhu and Hazrat Osman radhiALLAHu anhu was some of the numerous Sahabah who emigrated. Now if Allah is saying in the Quran he is pleased with those Sahabah and has given them PARADICE,then who are you to dispute that? There are more Quran Ayah on the Sahabah ,but I think this one will suffice for now.


"Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Neither Sufis not Wahabis have an iota of clue what Haq [reality/truth] is. Only the scientists know the truth.

Having said that Sufis despite their irrational and idiotic practices are much more humanists than the arrogant and proud bedoin-follower-wahabis ,who are a disgrace to the very concept of humanity.

Infact the concept of Wahabis is based on the letter or form of religeon due to beleiving unconsciously in the sanctity and superiority of their langauge and culture. The issue of khalq-e-quran was based on the same idea. Read Ubaidullah Sindhi's teachings compiled by Ghulam Sarwar to know more.

Why do you say that Sufis are "irrational and idiotic" and wich practice of theirs are "irrational and idiotic"? And what is your proof that scientist know the truth?

[Dust]

True. Imam Malik (ra) said:

man tasawwafa wa lam yatafaqqa fa qad tazandaqa
wa man tafaqqaha wa lam yatasawwaf fa qad tafassaqa
wa man jama`a bayn al-ithnayn fa qad tahaqqaqa

He who practices tasawwuf without learning Sacred Law
corrupts his faith, while he who learns Sacred Law without
practicing tasawwuf corrupts himself.
Only he who combines the two proves true.

And Imam al-Shafi`i (ra) said:

faqihan wa sufiyyan fa kun laysa wahidan
fa inni wa haqqillahi iyyaka ansahu

Be both a faqih and a sufi: do not be only one of them!
Verily, by Allah's truth, I am advising you sincerely.

Thank for not attacking me and actually understand what I was trying to get at.

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

First of all the guy on the video is not my scholar. He is a HARDCORE WAHABI ,and has got nothing to do with us . He is a deviant.

Who are you or anyone else to give juedgement on Sahabah Kiram such as Hazrat Omar radhiALLAHu anhu, Hazrat Abu Baqr radhiALLAHu anhu and Hazrat Osman radhiALLAHu anhu when Allah has already given judgement :

"And the Foremost, the First among the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in a good way, ALLAH is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens underneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever and ever; that is the mighty triumph". ( 9 : 100 ) Al-Quran.

Do you know wich Sahabah emigrated with the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and was the Prophet Mohammads (pbuh) helpers? Hazrat Omar radhiALLAHu anhu, Hazrat Abu Baqr radhiALLAHu anhu and Hazrat Osman radhiALLAHu anhu was some of the numerous Sahabah who emigrated. Now if Allah is saying in the Quran he is pleased with those Sahabah and has given them PARADICE,then who are you to dispute that? There are more Quran Ayah on the Sahabah ,but I think this one will suffice for now.

Oh my poor enraged brother, I didn't ask which person did what, or who went where. Maybe you should look again @ what I wrote. But again, you are proving my point: your definition of "sahaba" is only limited to Umar, Usman, and Abu Bakr. Anyone who doesn't believe in them, automatically becomes a "Sahaba" hater. And then you go on to prove me wrong by quoting a Quranic ayah without any understanding and out of context lol. This verses are applicable only to those who were sincere in faith. The hypocrites, who were also "companions" (sahabah) as per its definition laid down by the Muslim scholars, cannot be accepted as those praised by the Quran. So to say that all the companions, even the deserters, were true believers is illogical and contrary to historical facts. And that's my point, you need to differentiate a Sahabi from a munafiq. You cannot just go around and call everybody a Sahabi. That's just illogical.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Oh my poor enraged brother, I didn't ask which person did what, or who went where. Maybe you should look again @ what I wrote. But again, you are proving my point: your definition of "sahaba" is only limited to Umar, Usman, and Abu Bakr. Anyone who doesn't believe in them, automatically becomes a "Sahaba" hater. And then you go on to prove me wrong by quoting a Quranic ayah without any understanding and out of context lol. This verses are applicable only to those who were sincere in faith. The hypocrites, who were also "companions" (sahabah) as per its definition laid down by the Muslim scholars, cannot be accepted as those praised by the Quran. So to say that all the companions, even the deserters, were true believers is illogical and contrary to historical facts. And that's my point, you need to differentiate a Sahabi from a munafiq. You cannot just go around and call everybody a Sahabi. That's just illogical.

Anyone who attacks any Sahabah is a Sahabah hater.And majority of you shias are Sahabah haters. Though you shouldnt be because the verse I gave you clearly tells us that Allah is pleased with Sahabah that emigrated to Madina and they are given PARADICE. If Allah has said that they are given Paradice ,means they will all be in Paradice,otherwise Allah would have said so that so and so will not get paradice. If that verse isnt enough then you should ponder over the following what Allah says about Sahabah Kiram:

"You are the best of peoples ever raised for mankind, you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in Allah." [3:110]


The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

"The best of my people are my generation then those who come after them, then those who come after them, then there will come a people in whom there will be no good."
[At-Tabaranee, authenticated by al-Albanee]

Also, in al-Bukharee, "The best of the people are my generation, then those after them, then those after them..." This is also reported by Muslim, Aboo Dawood, at-Tirmidhee, An-Nasa'ee and others.




And you should also enlighten yourself of the definition of what a Sahabah is.

The most widespread definition of Sahabi is someone who saw the Prophet (pbuh) and believed in him (pbuh) as well as died a Muslim.As for the Munafiqun they are not considered Companions in scholarly terminology, although they literally "accompanied" him (pbuh) in his(pbuh) life as reflected in the hadiths of the Lake-Fount (deliberately misinterpreted by certain sects):

http://www.livingislam.org/k/hklh_e.html


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[muhsina]

Why do you say that Sufis are "irrational and idiotic" and wich practice of theirs are "irrational and idiotic"? And what is your proof that scientist know the truth?

I said irrational and idoitic PRACTICES. This is a self explanatory fact and any body knows that their wazaif,dances,worshipping tombs,being cultist about their peers etc are all idiotic and irrational acts.

The proof for Scientists to be the upholders of truth is that whatever they claim they can proof it. Their claims are not like esoteric ecstatic states of Sufis who often meet God and have a chit chat with him on matters of mutual interest.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I said irrational and idoitic PRACTICES. This is a self explanatory fact and any body knows that their wazaif,dances,worshipping tombs,being cultist about their peers etc are all idiotic and irrational acts.

The proof for Scientists to be the upholders of truth is that whatever they claim they can proof it. Their claims are not like esoteric ecstatic states of Sufis who often meet God and have a chit chat with him on matters of mutual interest.

What if I proove to you every single practice of Sufis wich is within Shariah limits according to Quran and Sunnah ,what then?


So you belive more in scientistst because according to you they can proove what they say. I believe that you must belive that you are an ape because your scientist Charles Darwin dedicated his whole life to the evulotion theory. Wich he never prooved.After all its a theory.

You proably are also a denier of Allah ,because your scientist Stephen Hawkins says :

"Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...g-bang-creator


May Allah protect us all from such scientists with such "proofs". Sister you are walking on thin ice...

[muhsina]

What if I proove to you every single practice of Sufis wich is within Shariah limits according to Quran and Sunnah ,what then?

So you belive more in scientistst because according to you they can proove what they say. I believe that you must belive that you are an ape because your scientist Charles Darwin dedicated his whole life to the evulotion theory. Wich he never prooved.After all its a theory. You proably are also a denier of Allah ,because your scientist Stephen Hawkins says :
"Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...g-bang-creator
May Allah protect us all from such scientists with such "proofs". Sister you are walking on thin ice...

I am afraid your concept of Science is highy fallacious. Proving something to be within the limits of your concept of Quran , Sunnah and Shariah still doesnt make it qualify to be rational necessarily. How is this to tease your spiritual nuerons brother. Please forget me in your prayers.

BTW you love to claim on behalf of others. Dont you?

[Pakhtun_Policy]

I am afraid your concept of Science is highy fallacious. Proving something to be within the limits of your concept of Quran , Sunnah and Shariah still doesnt make it qualify to be rational necessarily. How is this to tease your spiritual nuerons brother. Please forget me in your prayers.

BTW you love to claim on behalf of others. Dont you?

You hold science above religion?

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Anyone who attacks any Sahabah is a Sahabah hater.And majority of you shias are Sahabah haters. Though you shouldnt be because the verse I gave you clearly tells us that Allah is pleased with Sahabah that emigrated to Madina and they are given PARADICE. If Allah has said that they are given Paradice ,means they will all be in Paradice,otherwise Allah would have said so that so and so will not get paradice. If that verse isnt enough then you should ponder over the following what Allah says about Sahabah Kiram:

"You are the best of peoples ever raised for mankind, you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in Allah." [3:110]


The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

"The best of my people are my generation then those who come after them, then those who come after them, then there will come a people in whom there will be no good."
[At-Tabaranee, authenticated by al-Albanee]

Also, in al-Bukharee, "The best of the people are my generation, then those after them, then those after them..." This is also reported by Muslim, Aboo Dawood, at-Tirmidhee, An-Nasa'ee and others.




And you should also enlighten yourself of the definition of what a Sahabah is.

The most widespread definition of Sahabi is someone who saw the Prophet (pbuh) and believed in him (pbuh) as well as died a Muslim.As for the Munafiqun they are not considered Companions in scholarly terminology, although they literally "accompanied" him (pbuh) in his(pbuh) life as reflected in the hadiths of the Lake-Fount (deliberately misinterpreted by certain sects):

http://www.livingislam.org/k/hklh_e.html


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I am not gonna comment on the accusations you have set forth on us, but I will rather focus on the last part of your post because that's what I want to discuss. So you say a Sahabi is anyone who has seen the prophet Muhammad (SAWAW) in the state of believing. That means that if the Prophet (SAWAW) appeared in Peshawar Sadar in modern times, everyone there, from bus driver, to shop keeper, to drug dealer, to cinema manager, would be a sahabi. So tell me, where is the merit in it? This shows that Sahabas were normal people prone to makings mistakes. They were men who had drank all their lives and worshipped idols before accepting Islam. And thus they were not infallibles and will be held accountable on the day of judgement for their acts.
Let me make one thing clear to you: no one curses the Sahaba (the REAL sahaba) or the wives of the Prophet (SAWAW).We (Shia Muslims) love men like Ammar, Salman Farsi, Abu Dharr, Miqdad. Are these the lesser companions of Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? We revere Ummul Momineen Hazrat Khadija, one of the leader of the women of paradise. We respect Hazrat Umme Salammah and Hazrat Maria Qitbya. Are this not the wives of prophet Muhammad (SAWAW)? But there are some companions whose actions do not earn them our respect because we are taught by the prophet to love the doers of good and dissociate ourselves from tyrants, oppressors and wrong doers. A munafiq does not have horns, or a munafiq will not yell "Hey I am pretending to be a companion but I am a munafiq from the inside". You said that "Munafiqun they are not considered Companions in scholarly terminology". But how do you know if a person is hypocryte or not? Did you look inside their hearts? You recognize a munafiq from his actions, so says Allah in the Quran. Now if you hate me for disassociating myself from the wrongdoers (as instructed by Allah) then there is nothing much I can do for that, or can I?

[muhsina]

You hold science above religion?

ofcourse. La raiba feh.

Much higher than your expectations brother.

[Pakhtun_Policy]

ofcourse. La raiba feh.

Much higher than your expectations brother.

I just need to know the following

1. Are you muslim?
2. Who created science and everything?

[Pakhtun_Policy]

Pir Samiullah Qadri Shaheed




Just look at the noor he has in face..