Racism In Shi'ism

[Dreamer]

Why do you spam again? Let us concentrate on the Hadith, why is it rejected? Because it contradicts your Aql? Al Kafi has to be trusted, and big scholars issued fatwa's on it, praising it. You have to be kidding, jumping from one point to another and hiding behind the word sahih, come on man, let us talk as men.

The quote you post, I don't know what or who Al Baladhuri was, I don't own the book, and if Muawiyah (ra) said that, he has made a mistake.

Oke, lets go on with the Al Kafi and the discrimination of the N i G G E R s by the ''holy imams''.

again its ur sunni understanding of hadith and ur concept of sahih ... there is no such thing.... Even if there is a hadith in al kafee if it contradsicts quran it must be discarded because shia recognise hadith cld be faked... u dont

[Dreamer]

muawiyya was 1 of ur heros... defend his actions

[Dreamer]

Muawiyya made a mistake????? WOOOOOOW are u sure ur salafie mullahs will be impressed with that???? u just dared to say that a sahaba made a mistake! and yet u still respect him?????

[Dreamer]

Summary of shia understanding: judge a hadith by its content
Sunni understanding: Judge by its "chain"

[Abu Hurayrah]

I can not check the reference, but if he said that, then its a mistake, since they where people and they can make mistakes. In Islaam, we don't make infallibles out of people.

Can we go on about the Zinj Hadith of the infallibles or you wanna talk about Muawiyah? I did not open this topic about Muawiyah (ra).

[Dreamer]

I can not check the reference, but if he said that, then its a mistake, since they where people and they can make mistakes. In Islaam, we don't make infallibles out of people.

Can we go on about the Zinj Hadith of the infallibles or you wanna talk about Muawiyah? I did not open this topic about Muawiyah (ra).

he is ur hero...
again read shia understanding of hadith
the imams were TRUE muslims... they cld not be racist hence any attribuation of that to them is false unless u say they were?

[unknownprince]

i have to say this persian racism is entertaining to say the least. What do they think of us Pashtuns, or what do we think of them? lol Im guessing they feel very inferior to us.

[Abu Hurayrah]

i have to say this persian racism is entertaining to say the least. What do they think of us Pashtuns, or what do we think of them? lol Im guessing they feel very inferior to us.

Its also about Qind, which is Qandahar.

What is the shia understanding of Hadith ? If you don't like something about your holy imam, just ignore it? Is that the understanding?

Get real.

[Dreamer]

ur respect to the household of the prophet is shocking yet you love Muawiyya who did what he did... says it all really

[Dreamer]

Its also about Qind, which is Qandahar.

What is the shia understanding of Hadith ? If you don't like something about your holy imam, just ignore it? Is that the understanding?

Get real.

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[Abu Hurayrah]

ur respect to the household of the prophet is shocking yet you love Muawiyya who did what he did... says it all really

Why do you just ignore me all the time? Come on, grow up. That is not even the topic, so respect the rules of the topic.

Loving the Ahl Bayt is part of Iman,
Your answer is insufficient, the content is the hadith itself, so there is no mention of validity or invalidity, you just take what you are served?
If not, then you just ignore a sound isnaad, because you don't like the content?

Is this rational?

[Dreamer]

and yet you speak of them so lowly! shocking! lip service is all u do... ur "love is for the dushman of ahle bayt! namely Muawiyya and his disgusting son and his offspring

[Dreamer]

The imams were followers of Islam any report that they contradicted islam is false even if thats in al kafee... shia do not have "sahih" hadith... a hadith is 2 be judged by its content if it goes against islam then its false

[Dreamer]

tell me... do you count the altering of divorce laws and introduction of congregational taraweeh prayers to be the "mistakes" of the 2nd caliph? not 2 mention his attempt 2 cap mahar

[unknownprince]

Let me make it very clear here.
Besides the Prophet(pbuh), no one else matters. His family is great, and is held in high esteem by all Muslims. All politics that came after his death have no relevance to Islam as a religion in general.

Muyawiah (ra) was also related to the Prophet(pbuh). Fighting occurred between relatives all the time in those days. Keep in mind that all this infighting was occurring before the Prophet's(pbuh) arrival and declaration. How did you think these people were going to get out of their ways so quickly?

Hussain(ra) took up arms against Yazid because he believed him to be an oppressor. I believe Hussain(ra) was right to oppose Yazid, but he was told many times not go to Karbala, yet he still chose to do so. Prophet(pbuh) would not have gone.

Besides the Prophet(pbuh) there is no one else who is infallible. After the Prophet(pbuh) there is no one else. No one is equal to the Prophet(pbuh) in purity. The family is held in high esteem, and dua is made for them after prayers nearly all the time. However, they are family just like any other family. Blood means nothing and should not be given importance to. A bad person descended from the Prophet(pbuh) is still a bad person. No exceptions.