Sunnis' Views on Islam

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We do not attribute human attributes to Allah SWT, this is the True Aqeedah of the Ahlal Sunnah WAl Jammah, not the wahabis/salafis who claim they are following Ahlal Sunnah Wal Jammah. They have made Allah SWT into a figure which has a face, fingers, hand, and some other parts, the rest is missing.

Allah SWT states in Surah Rahman, "Everything (that exists) will perish except His own Face"..so if Allah had any of those other attributes, do they get perished? it makes no sense.

Our Aqeedah is simple, its based on a simple principle of "42:11 The Originator [is He] of the heavens and the earth. He has given you mates of your own kind just as [He has willed that] among the beasts [there be] mates - to multiply you thereby: [but] there is nothing like unto Him, and He alone is all-hearing, all-seeing"

Abu'g Hasan Al Ash'ari was not a companion of the prophet muhammad saww. How can your creed which is based upon Aristotle and Plato's philosophy and not supported by quran or sunnah or concensus of the companions be the true aqeeda of ahlul sunnah wal jam;'ah?

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dreamer, pose your questiuons from the other thread here. I will answer them for you.

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If only you would say this to the rest of your brothers too, because when it's about Shias, they do not hesitate to bash them with their utter nonsense. But when I show them Bukhari and Muslim, they start making lame excuses. Since my debate/conversion wasn't with you, so I will not comment on your comments brother, but I will take into consideration what you said. And it is very hypocrite of Shadow Caster to say "thank you" to you (your post, thank you button) for what you said about "fruitless discussion" when he is the same person who was bashing Shias in another thread. But I am sincere in my questions, so I asked a few questions regarding tawheed and you said you don't believe in that, so I will take your words for it and move on to the next topic. I genuinely wanna you if this is your (i.e. Sunni in general) aqeeda or not about different things, so don't take it like I am here to prove Sunni as Kaffirs (unlike many on here who have only one life-goal: to hate on Shias). Thanks.

Bangash, Mujib is a Sufi. As you might know, Sufis are crypto-Shi'tes. They are closer to your religion than to Sunnis.

[Dreamer]

dreamer, pose your questiuons from the other thread here. I will answer them for you.

Question 1
Why did Caliph 1 with hold fadak from Bibi Fatima, a dispute which caused her 2 die angry with him, refer 2 Ibn Majas hadith of the consequence of angering Gods Messengers daughter. Also why was Caliphs 1 reasons contradicting quranic teaching that Prophets do not leave heirs (Suliaman inherited from Dawood and Zachariyya prayed for an heir)

question 2

Why did caliph 3 exile Hz Abu Dar so that he died a lonely death?

question 3

Why did caliph 1 and 2 run off to saqifah and leave the prophets body unburied?

Question 4

Why did Caliph 2 innovate in the religion by introducing congregational taraevee prayers and attempt 2 introduce mahar limits?

question 5
Why did caliph2 dispute with the prophet on the event of Thursday as mentioned in Bukhari

question 6

Why did Muawiyya fight his caliph at siffan?

question 7
why did Muawiyya appoint his drunkard son and murderer ( subsequently) of Imam Hussain to be the 1st King of the Ummayad dynasty?

question 8
who are the 12 amirs mentioned by bukhari?

[Dreamer]

Question 9
why didnt caliph 1 and 2 go with usamas ibn zaids army when ordered 2 by the prophet?

there are plenty more questions but lets start with these

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Moving on to the next topic: Prophet Muhammad(SAW) in the eyes of Sahi Muslim/Bukhari/Abu Dawud.

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6:

Narrated Anas:
The Prophet I used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.

Embarrassing, how can you even say such a thing about the Prophet(SAW).

Why is this embarassing? The prophet saww was the guidance to mankind. He3 was a human being himself. And he did the things human beings do. And he would have sex with his wives. Whats wrong about that?

Should a prophet be an angel or divine?

Your objection to this hadeeth reveals your resembles to mushrikeen of Mekkah. They also claimed that a prophet cannot be like human beings who eats, goes to bathroom and has sex. They also believed that if rasul allah sal allahu alayhi wasallam was truely a prophet, then he should be supernatural and unhuman.

But we as muslims do not believe in that which mushrikeen assumed of a prophet.

We believe in what allah has revealed in quran. And Allah affirms that his messenger is of mankind. And human beings have sex with their wives. No problem.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

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Astaghfirullah! What a shame! How can someone even dare to say such a thing about the Prophet(SAW)?!

Whats the proplem here? A man and a woman have sexual relationship with each other. The reason why this is mentioned in books of hadeeth is because based on the relationship of the best of mankind the guidance to mankind we can derive ruling on how we should treat our wives.

Unlike the shi'ites who claim that anal sex is permissible and that people can become pregant anally.

Sahi Muslim Book 003, Number 0671:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was carrying along with them (his people) stones for the Ka'ba and there was a waist wrapper around him. His uncle," Abbas, said to him: 0 son of my brother! if you take off the lower garment and place it on the shoulders underneath the stones, it would be better. He (the Holy Prophet) took it off and placed it on his shoulder and fell down unconscious. He (the narrator) said: Never was he seen naked after that day.
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Astaghfirullah! No comments, it's obvious from the things that are attributed to the Prophet (SAW) by the writers of these books how the Prophet(SAW) was in their eyes.

I dont see the problem here. It is not befitting of prophets to be naked in public. So during that particular incident when the prophet did appear naked (Which was btw before he received revelation) it is reported. And likewise, it is mentioned that he did not appear naked ever after that.

So what seems to be the problem here?

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

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Mazallah! Bukhari implying that the Prophet(SAW) used to expose himself in front of people! What a filth!

Again, same thing.

Bukhari Volume 2, Book 22, Number 321:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet offered one of the evening prayers (the sub-narrator Muhammad said, "I think that it was most probably the 'Asr prayer") and he finished it after offering two Rakat only. He then stood near a price of wood in front of the Mosque and put his hand over it. Abu Bakr and 'Umar were amongst those who were present, but they dared not talk to him about that (because of excessive respect for him), and those who were in a hurry went out. They said, "Has the prayer been reduced?" A man who was called Dhul Yadain by the Prophet said (to the Prophet), "Has the prayer been reduced or have you forgotten?" He said, "Neither have I forgotten, nor has the prayer been reduced." He said, "Certainly you have forgotten." So the Prophet offered two more Rakat and performed Tashm and then said Takbir and performed a prostration of Sahu like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer and then raised his head and said Takbir and then put his head down and performed a prostration like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer, and then raised his head and said Takbir.

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Bukhari saying that the Prophet(SAW) used to forget prayers!

Thats not what Bukhari says. It only affirms that the prophet saww was a human being. If you forget to preform sallah correctly, and you realize you have made an error, how do you correct yourself?

The thing is, we as Muslims to believe in Islam and accept the fact that the prophet saww is a guidance to mankind. Therefore, via him we learn about our religion. So it is only natural that when a prophet saww experiences soemthing, then it is part of the teaching of the religion to us by allah. Because based on his experiences do we learn our religion.

So if a prophet saww corrects his prayer after that incident, we take that as evidence to teach how to correct ourselves in case we have erred during the prayer.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:

Narrated 'Abdullah:
The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual"), and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."

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Another narration saying that the prophet(SAW) used to forget prayers!

again... same answer.

Sahi Muslim Book 032, Number 6285:

A'isha reported that two persons visited Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and both of them talked about a thing, of which I am not aware, but that annoyed him and he invoked curse upon both of them and hurled malediction, and when they went out I said: Allah's Messenger, the good would reach everyone but it would not reach these two. He said: Why so? I said: Because you have invoked curse and hurled malediction upon both of them. He said: Don't you know that I have made condition with my Lord saying thus: O Allah, I am a human being and that for a Muslim upon whom I invoke curse or hurl malediction make it a source of purity and reward.
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Sahi Muslim saying that Prophet (SAW) cursed two muslims! Mazallah!

So? The hadeeth itself refutes you. Read the second part:

Don't you know that I have made condition with my Lord saying thus: O Allah, I am a human being and that for a Muslim upon whom I invoke curse or hurl malediction make it a source of purity and reward.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 11, Number 666:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
One night I slept at the house of (my aunt) Maimuna and the Prophet was there on that night. He performed ablution and stood up for the prayer. I joined him and stood on his left side but he drew me to his right and prayed thirteen Rakat and then slept till I heard his breath sounds. And whenever he slept, he used to breathe with audible sounds. The Mu'adhdhin came to the Prophet and he went out and prayed the morning prayer) without repeating the ablution.

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According to Bukhari, the Prophet (SAW) performed prayer without ablution.

What seems to be the propblem here?

Bukhari

Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)
Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.
Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).

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According to Bukhari in the above narration, Prophet (SAW) was suicidal! Mazallah!

LOL. I dont see what your problem is with this narration.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

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What is this? Allah according to Muslim/Bukhari, has legs foot, chin, etc and has a body and can move around etc, and the Prophet(SAW) according to Bukhari and Muslim is such that you can see it for yourself from the above narrations!? Now my questions is to my Sunni brothers, is this really your aqeeda about the Prophet(SAW). Do you believe all the narations that Bukhari and Muslim presented above?

There is nothing wrong with any of the narrations here.

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These are such pointless discussion ,my god is better then your god ,none of you will accept fault in each other respective belife ,why you people leave to god to decide who is right who's wrong ,untill then follow your way .Stop biegn God.

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Question 1
Why did Caliph 1 with hold fadak from Bibi Fatima, a dispute which caused her 2 die angry with him, refer 2 Ibn Majas hadith of the consequence of angering Gods Messengers daughter. Also why was Caliphs 1 reasons contradicting quranic teaching that Prophets do not leave heirs (Suliaman inherited from Dawood and Zachariyya prayed for an heir)

You are saying that in ibn maja it is said that angering prophets daughter is very bad. Did you know that the saying of the prophet saww about angering his daughter was directed at Ali Radiallahu anhu because he wanted to marry another woman. And so the daughter of the prophet sal allahu aleyhi wasallam was angry with Ali. And then the prophet saww said what is mentioned in ibn maja.

Secondly, nobody inherits anything material from the prophets. Prophets leave knowledge of the religion behind. Your argument regarding Dawood alaysalaam and Zakariyya are false.

Explain why in Shi'ite religion women are not allowed to inherit anything?

Yes, fatimah radiallahu anha was angry. But her hustband, Ali radiallahu anhu was not in conflict with the Khalif in regards to this matter. Why didn't ali object when the Khalif refused to give what fatimah radiallahu anha wanted?

question 2

Why did caliph 3 exile Hz Abu Dar so that he died a lonely death?

I dont know.

question 3

Why did caliph 1 and 2 run off to saqifah and leave the prophets body unburied?

They did not ran off. A party of the companions took care of the burrial, while others discussed the matters of succession.

Nobody ran off. This is a shi'ite lie.

Question 4

Why did Caliph 2 innovate in the religion by introducing congregational taraevee prayers and attempt 2 introduce mahar limits?

Thats a lie. Its not an innovation. Funny Shi'ite mentioning innovation. I will make a thread about shi'ite innovations soon.

question 5
Why did caliph2 dispute with the prophet on the event of Thursday as mentioned in Bukhari

dont know what you are talking about.

question 6

Why did Muawiyya fight his caliph at siffan?

dont know what yuo are talking about.

question 7
why did Muawiyya appoint his drunkard son and murderer ( subsequently) of Imam Hussain to be the 1st King of the Ummayad dynasty?

Who knows? Maybe a bad decision, maybe good. I dont know.

question 8
who are the 12 amirs mentioned by bukhari?

Their names are not mentioned. So how should I know?

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Question 9
why didnt caliph 1 and 2 go with usamas ibn zaids army when ordered 2 by the prophet?

there are plenty more questions but lets start with these

I dont know. Please provide sources for your statements. If you cant give reference to what you are talking about, it is difficult for me to answer you.

Because I am not a scholar who has memorized everything.

[Dreamer]

ur answerr 1 1 is rubbish.... so are u saying prophet made haraam what was halal? read al quran it tells a diff story about the prophets leaving heirs... if u want ILL POST THE VERSE 4 U plus she died angry with him!
question 2 lol look up nepotism and caliph 3 ull come 2 knw why he exiled him (if u cant defend ur caliphs why follow them?)
question 3 thats not how hitory tells it... they ran 2 it whn they heard the ansar declared a caliph.... why did Imam not give caliph 1 baya? who asked caliph 1 and 2 2 go in the 1st place?
question 4 ill post the bukhari hadith which shows he did!
question 5 same as question 4
question 6 now ur just denying history look at how khawarij were formed
question 7 so u admit muawiyya made a mistake?
question 8 they are well known! but since they exist u have 2 name them.... shia have....u only have 4 caliphs.... so u have 2 come up with another 8!
Question 7

[Dreamer]

Prophets leave heirs


And certainly We gave knowledge to Dawood and Sulaiman, and they both said: Praise be to Allah, Who has made us to excel many of His believing servants. And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.
Quran [27:15-16]
and
And surely I fear my cousins after me, and my wife is barren, therefore grant me from Thyself an heir (Prophets zachariyya praying for an heir - quran 19:5)

[Dreamer]

refer 2 ibn maja for upsetting Hz Fatima

Volume 8, Book 80, Number 718:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Fatima and Al 'Abbas came to Abu Bakr, seeking their share from the property of Allah's Apostle and at that time, they were asking for their land at Fadak and their share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them, " I have heard from Allah's Apostle saying, 'Our property cannot be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity, but the family of Muhammad may take their provisions from this property." Abu Bakr added, "By Allah, I will not leave the procedure I saw Allah's Apostle following during his lifetime concerning this property." Therefore Fatima left Abu Bakr and did not speak to him till she died. ...

abu bakars argument is flawed with above named quranic verses showing why

[Dreamer]

Whoever hurts Fatima, hurts me, and whoever hurts me, hurts Allah, exalted be His Majesty!"

Ibn Majah, Sunan, vol. I, p. 644.

Now we knw why sunnis try 2 shift the blame on 2 Imam Ali for this hadith saying he wanted to marry another woman who was btw a muslim and within his rights 2 marry (if the story is true) so why was prophet making haraam what was halal? astagfirullah!

[Dreamer]

some of Caliphs 2 innovations
Abu al-Sahba' said to Ibn 'Abbas: Enlighten us with your information whether the three divorces (pronounced at one and the same time) were not treated as one during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr. He said: It was in fact so, but when during the caliphate of 'Umar (Allah be pleased with him) people began to pronounce divorce frequently, he allowed them to do so (to treat pronouncements of three divorces in a single breath as one).
Sahih Muslim, Book 009, Number 3493

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lets stick to question one before we continue. You claim that according to quran prophets do leave inheritance. I will provide you some sources you can ponder upon.

In the meanwhile please find an answer to my quesion: why is it that in shi'ite religion, women are not allowed to inherit anything?

Why do shi'ites claim that the daughter of the prophet saww should have received inheritance, yet in shi'ite religion women are denied to inherit anything/