Sunnis' Views on Islam

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Hi, I have created this thread to ask questions from my fellow Sunni brethren, especially that Hurrayra guy.
Before I begin, let me ask you this, what is your take on Bukhari and Siha E Sitta. I mean, how authentic do you view bukhari and other Siha E Sitta. I am asking this because I will be using them to quote some references, so I want to make sure that you do indeed believe in those books. Thanks

[Abu Hurayrah]

First of all, get my name right, it was the name of a noble Sahaba.

In Islaam, there is a thing called the science of Hadith, Uloom al Hadith, I am not a muhaddith and I can not judge a Hadith or it's Isnaad. There are collections like Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim which are accepted. As well as other Sahih narrations in Muwatta of Imam Malik or Abu dawud, but there are also weak narrations, and I do not posses the knowledge on differentiating between the hadith, nor did I study the science of Hadith. You have to be a scolar for that, and a Muhaddith, which are very few in the world today.

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

First of all, get my name right, it was the name of a noble Sahaba.

In Islaam, there is a thing called the science of Hadith, Uloom al Hadith, I am not a muhaddith and I can not judge a Hadith or it's Isnaad. There are collections like Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim which are accepted. As well as other Sahih narrations in Muwatta of Imam Malik or Abu dawud, but there are also weak narrations, and I do not posses the knowledge on differentiating between the hadith, nor did I study the science of Hadith. You have to be a scolar for that, and a Muhaddith, which are very few in the world today.

But you seem pretty sure about that 12 rulers narration in my other thread LOL even though you are "not a muhaddith and can't tell the difference between a weak and strong narrations" LOL. Joke's aside let me start asking you some questions about Sunni Islam . By the way, if a narration is week it will not be quoted again and again in religious books, so if a religious book keep repeating the same narration it must mean it does have some weight. Anyways, here is the question number one: do you (i.e. Sunnis in General) believe Allah to have any foot, finger, chin, or any form at all?

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

According to "Sahi" Bukhari, Allah has FOOT (naozbillah):

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 373:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, "I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.' Paradise said, 'What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?' On that, Allah said to Paradise. 'You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.' Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, 'You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.' As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, 'Qati! Qati!' At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise, Allah will create a new creation to fill it with."
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Here is a scanned image from my personal Bukhari:


So what you think about this brothers? Wait, I am scanning a few more images.

[Dukemina]

It is part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jam'ah Aqeedah to believe so, Bangash, however, we believe that it is not like a human may perceive a foot or hand or eye, but one befitting to Allah's grace and majesty.

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Apparently Allah also has fingers and hands (Naozbillah):

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 510:

Narrated 'Abdullah:
A Jew came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Allah will hold the heavens on a Finger, and the mountains on a Finger, and the trees on a Finger, and all the creation on a Finger, and then He will say, 'I am the King.' " On that Allah's Apostle smiled till his premolar teeth became visible, and then recited:--
'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him....(39.67) 'Abdullah added: Allah's Apostle smiled (at the Jew's statement) expressing his wonder and believe in what was said
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Scanned picture from Bukhari Jild 8 Safa 544-545

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

It is part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jam'ah Aqeedah to believe so, Bangash, however, we believe that it is not like a human may perceive a foot or hand or eye, but one befitting to Allah's grace and majesty.

So in simple words, you do believe that Allah will put his "foot" in hell to quench its thirst? I have more narrations from Sahi Muslim and Bukhari, all of which say the exact same thing (i.e. Allah putting his foot in hell to quench its thirst). I have some other narrations too that I need to confirm from you guys, hopefully. But I am working on the scanning right now.

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

@Shadow Caster, Ignored, enjoy your days in my iggy-bin .

@SHADOW CASTER, You pathetic poor little thing, don't you see the SCANNED PAGES with my name on it? it's called SCANNING : ) ) not copy/pasting

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Sahi Book 040, Number 6809:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day.

I am working on finding the exacting narration in Sahi Muslim so I can scan it and upload it for you guys, but until then, could someone care to explain please that Allah is made up of "sixty cubits" (which means Allah must have a body then)? Naozibillah? After giving Allah a foot, a hand, a finger, and now a body made up of sixty cubits, how does one remain a muslim anymore? According to Sahi Al Bukhari, Allah can laugh and He descends to the last corner of the heaven EVERY NIGHT. I will post the English narrations first, then I will scan the images from the Bukhari that I have myself.



Here we go, Allah can laugh (mazallah):
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532c:

Narrated 'Ata' bin Yazid Al-Laithi:
On the authority of Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night?" They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle." He said, "So you will see Him, like that. Allah will gather all the people on the Day of Resurrection, and say, 'Whoever worshipped something (in the world) should follow (that thing),' so, whoever worshipped the sun will follow the sun, and whoever worshiped the moon will follow the moon, and whoever used to worship certain (other false) deities, he will follow those deities. And there will remain only this nation with its good people (or its hypocrites). (The sub-narrator, Ibrahim is in doubt.) Allah will come to them and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will (deny Him and) say, 'We will stay here till our Lord comes, for when our Lord comes, we will recognize Him.' So Allah will come to them in His appearance which they know, and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord,' so they will follow Him.
Then a bridge will be laid across Hell (Fire)' I and my followers will be the first ones to go across it and none will speak on that Day except the Apostles. And the invocation of the Apostles on that Day will be, 'O Allah, save! Save!' In Hell (or over The Bridge) there will be hooks like the thorns of As-Sa'dan (thorny plant). Have you seen As-Sa'dan? " They replied, "Yes, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "So those hooks look like the thorns of As-Sa'dan, but none knows how big they are except Allah. Those hooks will snap the people away according to their deeds. Some of the people will stay in Hell (be destroyed) because of their (evil) deeds, and some will be cut or torn by the hooks (and fall into Hell) and some will be punished and then relieved. When Allah has finished His Judgments among the people, He will take whomever He will out of Hell through His Mercy. He will then order the angels to take out of the Fire all those who used to worship none but Allah from among those whom Allah wanted to be merciful to and those who testified (in the world) that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah. The angels will recognize them in the Fire by the marks of prostration (on their foreheads), for the Fire will eat up all the human body except the mark caused by prostration as Allah has forbidden the Fire to eat the mark of prostration. They will come out of the (Hell) Fire, completely burnt and then the water of life will be poured over them and they will grow under it as does a seed that comes in the mud of the torrent.
Then Allah will finish the judgments among the people, and there will remain one man facing the (Hell) Fire and he will be the last person among the people of Hell to enter Paradise. He will say, 'O my Lord! Please turn my face away from the fire because its air has hurt me and its severe heat has burnt me.' So he will invoke Allah in the way Allah will wish him to invoke, and then Allah will say to him, 'If I grant you that, will you then ask for anything else?' He will reply, 'No, by Your Power, (Honor) I will not ask You for anything else.' He will give his Lord whatever promises and covenants Allah will demand.
So Allah will turn his face away from Hell (Fire). When he will face Paradise and will see it, he will remain quiet for as long as Allah will wish him to remain quiet, then he will say, 'O my Lord! Bring me near to the gate of Paradise.' Allah will say to him, 'Didn't you give your promises and covenants that you would never ask for anything more than what you had been given? Woe on you, O Adam's son! How treacherous you are!' He will say, 'O my lord,' and will keep on invoking Allah till He says to him, 'If I give what you are asking, will you then ask for anything else?' He will reply, 'No, by Your (Honor) Power, I will not ask for anything else.'
Then he will give covenants and promises to Allah and then Allah will bring him near to the gate of Paradise. When he stands at the gate of Paradise, Paradise will be opened and spread before him, and he will see its splendor and pleasures whereupon he will remain quiet as long as Allah will wish him to remain quiet, and then he will say, O my Lord! Admit me into Paradise.' Allah will say, 'Didn't you give your covenants and promises that you would not ask for anything more than what you had been given?' Allah will say, 'Woe on you, O Adam's son! How treacherous you are! '
The man will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most miserable of Your creation,' and he will keep on invoking Allah till Allah will laugh because of his sayings, and when Allah will laugh because of him, He will say to him, 'Enter Paradise,' and when he will enter it, Allah will say to him, 'Wish for anything.' So he will ask his Lord, and he will wish for a great number of things, for Allah Himself will remind him to wish for certain things by saying, '(Wish for) so-and-so.' When there is nothing more to wish for, Allah will say, 'This is for you, and its equal (is for you) as well."
'Ata' bin Yazid added: Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri who was present with Abu Huraira, did not deny whatever the latter said, but when Abu Huraira said that Allah had said, "That is for you and its equal as well," Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri said, "And ten times as much, O Abu Huraira!" Abu Huraira said, "I do not remember, except his saying, 'That is for you and its equal as well.'" Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri then said, "I testify that I remember the Prophet saying, 'That is for you, and ten times as much.' ' Abu Huraira then added, "That man will be the last person of the people of Paradise to enter Paradise."

Sahi Muslim Book 001, Number 0349:

".........He would then say: O my Lord, admit me to Paradise. Allah. Blessed and Exalted, would say: Did you not give covenants and agreements that you would not ask for anything more than what I had granted you? Woe to you! son of Adam, how treacherous you are! And he would say: O my Lord, I do not wish to be the most miserable of Thy creatures. He would continue calling upon Allah till Allah, Blessed and Exalted, would laugh. When Allah would laugh at him, He would say: Enter the Paradise. When he would enter, Allah would say: State your wish. He would express his wishes till Allah would remind......"

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 586:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Every night when it is the last third of the night, our Lord, the Superior, the Blessed, descends to the nearest heaven and says: Is there anyone to invoke Me that I may respond to his invocation? Is there anyone to ask Me so that I may grant him his request? Is there anyone asking My forgiveness so that I may forgive him?. " (See Hadith No. 246,Vol. 2)

Bukhari Book 004, Number 1656:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left, and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him?

Sahi Muslim Book 004, Number 1659:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah descends to the lowest heaven at half of the night or at one-third of the latter part and says: Who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to ask Me so that I grant him? And then says: Who will lend to One Who is neither indigent nor tyrant? (This hadith has been narrated by Sa'd b. Sa'id with the same chain of transmitters with this addition:" Then the Blessed and the Exalted (Lord) stretches His Hands and says: Who will lend to One Who is neither indigent nor tyrant? )
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Allah can be seen !!! Naozbilla!!!
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 530:

Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own eyes."

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EDIT: Here I got the scanned page

IS THIS TAWHID OR WHAT? According to bukhari and muslim God has a body, a foot, a leg, a shin, he can descend, he can laugh, and he can be seen!!!!! Is this your aqeeda??!!!!

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

After I get a few comments on "tawhid according to Muslim, Bukhari", I shall present to you some narrations from Bukhari and Muslim about Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

@Cry Shaddow, well, I can totally understand your frustration LOL.

Do you know what is tawheed?

Tawheed is not worshipping arab men (Ali , hasan , hussein )
But worshipping one God and you will always find it true with respect to ahl e sunnah.

Yes, that's not Tawhid, but a God that can be seen, who can laugh (human characteristics), has a foot, finger, hand, shin, face, who can move around, who has a body, etc, is definitely not Tawhid either.

[king-zazai]

What a hypocrisy? and you think there is "blood of Allah "

wrora 1 thing about shias is that since they came from a hypicrite munafik JEW they also act like jews if you have not noticed they r very ignorant and act like jews i can give many exaplmes of this but this guy is showing it 2 :P

so dont waist 222 much time with these jews!

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

What a hypocrisy? and you think there is "blood of Allah "

You are so dumb that you can't even read properly: the video you posted has this title on it:

Miracle of Allah [HERE THERE SHOULD BE A COMMA] Blood Comming out from Stone Where Imam Hussain\'s Head Was Kept

So it should like:

Miracle of Allah; blood Comming out from Stone Where Imam Hussain\'s Head Was Kept

It's not "Blood of Allah" it's "Miracle of Allah". I would politely ask you not to destroy the thread by posting random things, stick to the topic. If you have something else to say then create your own topic. Thanks


@King Zazai, it would be better if you show some balls and defend your faith rather than crying out and making lame excuses for something you know you don't have answer.

[Haneef]

But you seem pretty sure about that 12 rulers narration in my other thread LOL even though you are "not a muhaddith and can't tell the difference between a weak and strong narrations" LOL. Joke's aside let me start asking you some questions about Sunni Islam . By the way, if a narration is week it will not be quoted again and again in religious books, so if a religious book keep repeating the same narration it must mean it does have some weight. Anyways, here is the question number one: do you (i.e. Sunnis in General) believe Allah to have any foot, finger, chin, or any form at all?

We do not attribute human attributes to Allah SWT, this is the True Aqeedah of the Ahlal Sunnah WAl Jammah, not the wahabis/salafis who claim they are following Ahlal Sunnah Wal Jammah. They have made Allah SWT into a figure which has a face, fingers, hand, and some other parts, the rest is missing.

Allah SWT states in Surah Rahman, "Everything (that exists) will perish except His own Face"..so if Allah had any of those other attributes, do they get perished? it makes no sense.

Our Aqeedah is simple, its based on a simple principle of "42:11 The Originator [is He] of the heavens and the earth. He has given you mates of your own kind just as [He has willed that] among the beasts [there be] mates - to multiply you thereby: [but] there is nothing like unto Him, and He alone is all-hearing, all-seeing"

[king-zazai]

You are so dumb that you can't even read properly: the video you posted has this title on it:

Miracle of Allah [HERE THERE SHOULD BE A COMMA] Blood Comming out from Stone Where Imam Hussain\'s Head Was Kept

So it should like:

Miracle of Allah; blood Comming out from Stone Where Imam Hussain\'s Head Was Kept

It's not "Blood of Allah" it's "Miracle of Allah". I would politely ask you not to destroy the thread by posting random things, stick to the topic. If you have something else to say then create your own topic. Thanks


@King Zazai, it would be better if you show some balls and defend your faith rather than crying out and making lame excuses for something you know you don't have answer.

ur a jew eve if i feed u all the evidence u still wont belive so.... sallam

[Mujib]

According to "Sahi" Bukhari, Allah has FOOT (naozbillah):

The Qur'an Majid mentions the "Hand of Allah." So why do you adduce these ahadith when one can point to similar references in the Qur'an Majid?

These verses and ahadith are not interpreted literally. Allah Most High knows best their meaning.

The doctrine (`aqida) of the Sunnis is laid out in the `Aqida Tahawiyya, which states clearly:

38. He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are. (`Aqida Tahawiyya)

Read it and understand it, brother, and don't waste the short, precious time of this blessed month in fruitless discussion. Allah grant us good.