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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mujib View Post
    The Qur'an Majid mentions the "Hand of Allah." So why do you adduce these ahadith when one can point to similar references in the Qur'an Majid?

    These verses and ahadith are not interpreted literally. Allah Most High knows best their meaning.

    The doctrine (`aqida) of the Sunnis is laid out in the `Aqida Tahawiyya, which states clearly:
    38. He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are. (`Aqida Tahawiyya)
    Read it and understand it, brother, and don't waste the short, precious time of this blessed month in fruitless discussion. Allah grant us good.
    If only you would say this to the rest of your brothers too, because when it's about Shias, they do not hesitate to bash them with their utter nonsense. But when I show them Bukhari and Muslim, they start making lame excuses. Since my debate/conversion wasn't with you, so I will not comment on your comments brother, but I will take into consideration what you said. And it is very hypocrite of Shadow Caster to say "thank you" to you (your post, thank you button) for what you said about "fruitless discussion" when he is the same person who was bashing Shias in another thread. But I am sincere in my questions, so I asked a few questions regarding tawheed and you said you don't believe in that, so I will take your words for it and move on to the next topic. I genuinely wanna you if this is your (i.e. Sunni in general) aqeeda or not about different things, so don't take it like I am here to prove Sunni as Kaffirs (unlike many on here who have only one life-goal: to hate on Shias). Thanks.
    Last edited by Guest; 08-28-2010, 04:58 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Haneef View Post
      We do not attribute human attributes to Allah SWT, this is the True Aqeedah of the Ahlal Sunnah WAl Jammah, not the wahabis/salafis who claim they are following Ahlal Sunnah Wal Jammah. They have made Allah SWT into a figure which has a face, fingers, hand, and some other parts, the rest is missing.
      If that's not your Aqeeda then why don't you denounce it? And also why don't you denounce/speak-against the Salafis and Wahabis if they are damaging your image? To remain silent on matters of Batil, to me, is the same as supporting/helping the Zalim (evil).

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      • #18
        Moving on to the next topic: Prophet Muhammad(SAW) in the eyes of Sahi Muslim/Bukhari/Abu Dawud.

        Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6:
        Narrated Anas:
        The Prophet I used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.



        Embarrassing, how can you even say such a thing about the Prophet(SAW).


        Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
        Narrated 'Aisha:
        The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

        Source


        Astaghfirullah! What a shame! How can someone even dare to say such a thing about the Prophet(SAW)?!


        Sahi Muslim Book 003, Number 0671:
        Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was carrying along with them (his people) stones for the Ka'ba and there was a waist wrapper around him. His uncle," Abbas, said to him: 0 son of my brother! if you take off the lower garment and place it on the shoulders underneath the stones, it would be better. He (the Holy Prophet) took it off and placed it on his shoulder and fell down unconscious. He (the narrator) said: Never was he seen naked after that day.
        Source

        Astaghfirullah! No comments, it's obvious from the things that are attributed to the Prophet (SAW) by the writers of these books how the Prophet(SAW) was in their eyes.


        Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:
        Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
        While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

        Source
        Mazallah! Bukhari implying that the Prophet(SAW) used to expose himself in front of people! What a filth!


        Bukhari Volume 2, Book 22, Number 321:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        The Prophet offered one of the evening prayers (the sub-narrator Muhammad said, "I think that it was most probably the 'Asr prayer") and he finished it after offering two Rakat only. He then stood near a price of wood in front of the Mosque and put his hand over it. Abu Bakr and 'Umar were amongst those who were present, but they dared not talk to him about that (because of excessive respect for him), and those who were in a hurry went out. They said, "Has the prayer been reduced?" A man who was called Dhul Yadain by the Prophet said (to the Prophet), "Has the prayer been reduced or have you forgotten?" He said, "Neither have I forgotten, nor has the prayer been reduced." He said, "Certainly you have forgotten." So the Prophet offered two more Rakat and performed Tashm and then said Takbir and performed a prostration of Sahu like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer and then raised his head and said Takbir and then put his head down and performed a prostration like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer, and then raised his head and said Takbir.

        Source
        Bukhari saying that the Prophet(SAW) used to forget prayers!


        Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:
        Narrated 'Abdullah:
        The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual"), and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."

        Source
        Another narration saying that the prophet(SAW) used to forget prayers!


        Sahi Muslim Book 032, Number 6285:
        A'isha reported that two persons visited Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and both of them talked about a thing, of which I am not aware, but that annoyed him and he invoked curse upon both of them and hurled malediction, and when they went out I said: Allah's Messenger, the good would reach everyone but it would not reach these two. He said: Why so? I said: Because you have invoked curse and hurled malediction upon both of them. He said: Don't you know that I have made condition with my Lord saying thus: O Allah, I am a human being and that for a Muslim upon whom I invoke curse or hurl malediction make it a source of purity and reward.
        Source
        Sahi Muslim saying that Prophet (SAW) cursed two muslims! Mazallah!


        Bukhari Volume 1, Book 11, Number 666:
        Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
        One night I slept at the house of (my aunt) Maimuna and the Prophet was there on that night. He performed ablution and stood up for the prayer. I joined him and stood on his left side but he drew me to his right and prayed thirteen Rakat and then slept till I heard his breath sounds. And whenever he slept, he used to breathe with audible sounds. The Mu'adhdhin came to the Prophet and he went out and prayed the morning prayer) without repeating the ablution.

        Source
        According to Bukhari, the Prophet (SAW) performed prayer without ablution.


        Bukhari

        Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
        Narrated 'Aisha:
        The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)
        Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.
        Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).

        Source


        According to Bukhari in the above narration, Prophet (SAW) was suicidal! Mazallah!



        Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:
        Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
        While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

        Source


        ==============================


        What is this? Allah according to Muslim/Bukhari, has legs foot, chin, etc and has a body and can move around etc, and the Prophet(SAW) according to Bukhari and Muslim is such that you can see it for yourself from the above narrations!? Now my questions is to my Sunni brothers, is this really your aqeeda about the Prophet(SAW). Do you believe all the narations that Bukhari and Muslim presented above?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Haider Bangash 2.0 View Post
          Moving on to the next topic: Prophet Muhammad(SAW) in the eyes of Sahi Muslim/Bukhari/Abu Dawud.

          Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6:
          Narrated Anas:
          The Prophet I used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.



          Embarrassing, how can you even say such a thing about the Prophet(SAW).


          Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:
          Narrated 'Aisha:
          The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

          Source


          Astaghfirullah! What a shame! How can someone even dare to say such a thing about the Prophet(SAW)?!


          Sahi Muslim Book 003, Number 0671:
          Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was carrying along with them (his people) stones for the Ka'ba and there was a waist wrapper around him. His uncle," Abbas, said to him: 0 son of my brother! if you take off the lower garment and place it on the shoulders underneath the stones, it would be better. He (the Holy Prophet) took it off and placed it on his shoulder and fell down unconscious. He (the narrator) said: Never was he seen naked after that day.
          Source

          Astaghfirullah! No comments, it's obvious from the things that are attributed to the Prophet (SAW) by the writers of these books how the Prophet(SAW) was in their eyes.


          Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:
          Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
          While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

          Source
          Mazallah! Bukhari implying that the Prophet(SAW) used to expose himself in front of people! What a filth!


          Bukhari Volume 2, Book 22, Number 321:
          Narrated Abu Huraira:
          The Prophet offered one of the evening prayers (the sub-narrator Muhammad said, "I think that it was most probably the 'Asr prayer") and he finished it after offering two Rakat only. He then stood near a price of wood in front of the Mosque and put his hand over it. Abu Bakr and 'Umar were amongst those who were present, but they dared not talk to him about that (because of excessive respect for him), and those who were in a hurry went out. They said, "Has the prayer been reduced?" A man who was called Dhul Yadain by the Prophet said (to the Prophet), "Has the prayer been reduced or have you forgotten?" He said, "Neither have I forgotten, nor has the prayer been reduced." He said, "Certainly you have forgotten." So the Prophet offered two more Rakat and performed Tashm and then said Takbir and performed a prostration of Sahu like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer and then raised his head and said Takbir and then put his head down and performed a prostration like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer, and then raised his head and said Takbir.

          Source
          Bukhari saying that the Prophet(SAW) used to forget prayers!


          Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394:
          Narrated 'Abdullah:
          The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual"), and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying: 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'). When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)."

          Source
          Another narration saying that the prophet(SAW) used to forget prayers!


          Sahi Muslim Book 032, Number 6285:
          A'isha reported that two persons visited Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and both of them talked about a thing, of which I am not aware, but that annoyed him and he invoked curse upon both of them and hurled malediction, and when they went out I said: Allah's Messenger, the good would reach everyone but it would not reach these two. He said: Why so? I said: Because you have invoked curse and hurled malediction upon both of them. He said: Don't you know that I have made condition with my Lord saying thus: O Allah, I am a human being and that for a Muslim upon whom I invoke curse or hurl malediction make it a source of purity and reward.
          Source
          Sahi Muslim saying that Prophet (SAW) cursed two muslims! Mazallah!


          Bukhari Volume 1, Book 11, Number 666:
          Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
          One night I slept at the house of (my aunt) Maimuna and the Prophet was there on that night. He performed ablution and stood up for the prayer. I joined him and stood on his left side but he drew me to his right and prayed thirteen Rakat and then slept till I heard his breath sounds. And whenever he slept, he used to breathe with audible sounds. The Mu'adhdhin came to the Prophet and he went out and prayed the morning prayer) without repeating the ablution.

          Source
          According to Bukhari, the Prophet (SAW) performed prayer without ablution.


          Bukhari

          Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
          Narrated 'Aisha:
          The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)
          Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.
          Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).

          Source


          According to Bukhari in the above narration, Prophet (SAW) was suicidal! Mazallah!



          Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 360:
          Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
          While Allah's Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka'ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, "O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones." So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.

          Source


          ==============================


          What is this? Allah according to Muslim/Bukhari, has legs foot, chin, etc and has a body and can move around etc, and the Prophet(SAW) according to Bukhari and Muslim is such that you can see it for yourself from the above narrations!? Now my questions is to my Sunni brothers, is this really your aqeeda about the Prophet(SAW). Do you believe all the narations that Bukhari and Muslim presented above?

          The prophet had sexual intercourse with his wife(s), what is the whole point? He had no right to do so? If you are married, you are not allowed to do so?
          Maybe you can make halal into haraam? So tell us, can you make halal into haraam?

          There is nothing wrong with having intercourse with once wife, after that, you can to ghusl, and people do that when they are naked, unless you want to perform in in your peraan tombaan or in trousers.

          There is nothing wrong with this,

          Shall I quote your infallible holy imam who allowed anal sex? So stop these desperate attempts, before I make a topic and expose how holy your imams really where.

          Regarding the attributes of Allah (swt), the scholars have said not to discuss the issue. But there is Ikhtilaaf between the Ash'aris and the others. I follow the opinion that whatever is in the scriptures, it is there, and what is there, is noting like we know, we have seen, or nothing like the rest of the creation. (That's also the reason why Imam Malik got mad at someone who was trying to discuss the issue several times).

          The narrations about the ''foot'' on the hill, descending , seeing etc. Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal rahimahullah was asked about them and he replied:

          ''Bi laa Kayfa , wa laa Ma'naa'' which can be translated as ''Without hoiw and without the meaning''

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Abu Hurayrah View Post
            The prophet had sexual intercourse with his wife(s), what is the whole point? He had no right to do so? If you are married, you are not allowed to do so?
            Maybe you can make halal into haraam? So tell us, can you make halal into haraam?

            There is nothing wrong with having intercourse with once wife, after that, you can to ghusl, and people do that when they are naked, unless you want to perform in in your peraan tombaan or in trousers.

            There is nothing wrong with this,
            You totally went off the point I was making. This is the Prophet(SAW) for God's Sake. The point wasn't about having intercourse or not, the point was how can you WRITE such a thing? This comes under toheen-e-Risalat. There was no need for Mr. Bukhari to write such things which could result in the degradation of the Prophet(SAW) by others.

            Shall I quote your infallible holy imam who allowed anal sex? So stop these desperate attempts, before I make a topic and expose how holy your imams really where.
            Go ahead show it to me, give me a SCANNED PAGE from your PERSONAL COPY OF whatever book that is that you gonna use. And what's wrong with anal sex? It's MAKRUH, not Haraam. So whatever you gonna do is baseless regarding that.

            Regarding the attributes of Allah (swt), the scholars have said not to discuss the issue. But there is Ikhtilaaf between the Ash'aris and the others. I follow the opinion that whatever is in the scriptures, it is there, and what is there, is noting like we know, we have seen, or nothing like the rest of the creation. (That's also the reason why Imam Malik got mad at someone who was trying to discuss the issue several times).

            The narrations about the ''foot'' on the hill, descending , seeing etc. Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal rahimahullah was asked about them and he replied:

            ''Bi laa Kayfa , wa laa Ma'naa'' which can be translated as ''Without hoiw and without the meaning''
            What type of answer is this? Again, remember, I am not your fellow Sunnni, so I don't believe in your "scholar" if you want to refute what I said, you will have to use sources that I believe. But you didn't answer any of the narration yet. None. It would be great if you could just either accept or renounce each of the narrations one by one. And then I will leave my comments on it. Be sure to check the previous narrations too. And I have many more to come. Ta yaar khabara gol mol ke aw zan khlaasawalo koshih ke, but not this time lol.

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            • #21
              You totally went off the point I was making. This is the Prophet(SAW) for God's Sake. The point wasn't about having intercourse or not, the point was how can you WRITE such a thing? This comes under toheen-e-Risalat. There was no need for Mr. Bukhari to write such things which could result in the degradation of the Prophet(SAW) by others.
              The prophet (s.a.w.) was our example, and one would think that whatever happens in a persons house is private, but that was not the case with our prophet (s.a.w). Because from his teachings, acts of worship, etc. The jurisprudence (fiqh), aqeedah can be derived. And this my friend, is not tawheen at all, this is logic.

              What type of answer is this? Again, remember, I am not your fellow Sunnni, so I don't believe in your "scholar" if you want to refute what I said, you will have to use sources that I believe.
              I think you was the one who was pointing with his finger towards the Aqeedah of the ahl us Sunna, and you was the one quoting? Remember? I explained you how to interpret and look at the narrations you posted, whether you do or don't believe in it, is none of my concern. You wanted to convince us that these narrations are ''strange'' somehow, I showed you they are not and how to look at these narrations and what the proper understanding of it is.
              But you didn't answer any of the narration yet. None. It would be great if you could just either accept or renounce each of the narrations one by one. And then I will leave my comments on it. Be sure to check the previous narrations too. And I have many more to come. Ta yaar khabara gol mol ke aw zan khlaasawalo koshih ke, but not this time lol.
              I accept the narrations and denounce none of them (hence all of them are from Sahih Bukhari, or Sahih narrations). The one quote of Imam Ahmad was sufficient for your whole topic.

              This narration which you posted for example

              Allah can be seen !!! Naozbilla!!!
              Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 530:
              Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:
              The Prophet said, "You will definitely see your Lord with your own eyes."

              Source
              This is about seeing Allah in the hereafter, and only those in Jannah.
              Last edited by Guest; 08-28-2010, 07:27 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Abu Hurayrah View Post
                The prophet (s.a.w.) was our example, and one would think that whatever happens in a persons house is private, but that was not the case with our prophet (s.a.w). Because from his teachings, acts of worship, etc. The jurisprudence (fiqh), aqeedah can be derived. And this my friend, is not tawheen at all, this is logic.



                I think you was the one who was pointing with his finger towards the Aqeedah of the ahl us Sunna, and you was the one quoting? Remember? I explained you how to interpret and look at the narrations you posted, whether you do or don't believe in it, is none of my concern. You wanted to convince us that these narrations are ''strange'' somehow, I showed you they are not and how to look at these narrations and what the proper understanding of it is.


                I accept the narrations and denounce none of them (hence all of them are from Sahih Bukhari, or Sahih narrations). The one quote of Imam Ahmad was sufficient for your whole topic.
                Sorry but you didn't answer any of the narrations, you tried to answer the sexual one but i am not satisfied, i have objections but i will leave that for later. But anyways, so you said you accept every and each narration, including the narrations where Bukhari said that the Prophet (SAW) was suicidal, where the Prophet (SAW) is said to be naked, where the Prophet (SAW) is said to be cursing (mazallah)? And the rest of teh narrations, including that Allah has a foot, arm, leg, body? Check again all teh narrations that I posted. I will continue this tomorrow. So salamuna for now.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Haider Bangash 2.0 View Post
                  Apparently Allah also has fingers and hands (Naozbillah):

                  Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 510:
                  Narrated 'Abdullah:
                  A Jew came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Allah will hold the heavens on a Finger, and the mountains on a Finger, and the trees on a Finger, and all the creation on a Finger, and then He will say, 'I am the King.' " On that Allah's Apostle smiled till his premolar teeth became visible, and then recited:--
                  'No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him....(39.67) 'Abdullah added: Allah's Apostle smiled (at the Jew's statement) expressing his wonder and believe in what was said
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                  Scanned picture from Bukhari Jild 8 Safa 544-545


                  So? What are you trying to say?

                  Allah also mentioned his own hand in Quran. Are you rejecting Quran too and saying "nauzubilah?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Haider Bangash 2.0 View Post
                    According to "Sahi" Bukhari, Allah has FOOT (naozbillah):

                    Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 373:
                    Narrated Abu Huraira:
                    The Prophet said, "Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, "I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.' Paradise said, 'What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?' On that, Allah said to Paradise. 'You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.' Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, 'You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.' As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, 'Qati! Qati!' At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise, Allah will create a new creation to fill it with."
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                    Here is a scanned image from my personal Bukhari:


                    So what you think about this brothers? Wait, I am scanning a few more images.

                    foot, hand face mentioned in quran or hadith does not mean human hand human face human foot.

                    Neither do we believe them to be as such.
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                    • #25
                      There is nothng wrong with the narrations in Sahih Bukhari. There is something wrong with the intentions of shi'ites who read them.
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                      • #26
                        ^answer the questions here then
                        Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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                        • #27
                          which one?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Haider Bangash 2.0 View Post

                            Is this your aqeeda??!!!!

                            Yes.
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                            • #29
                              all of them!
                              U have eyes I hope... look at the questions and post your replies here
                              Manana
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Haider Bangash 2.0 View Post
                                After I get a few comments on "tawhid according to Muslim, Bukhari", I shall present to you some narrations from Bukhari and Muslim about Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

                                @Cry Shaddow, well, I can totally understand your frustration LOL.



                                Yes, that's not Tawhid, but a God that can be seen, who can laugh (human characteristics), has a foot, finger, hand, shin, face, who can move around, who has a body, etc, is definitely not Tawhid either.
                                denying things that have been revealed in quran or said by the prophet saww which contradicts Mu'tazilite conceptions of religion is only an affirmation of the infleunce of Mu'tazilah on Shi'ism.
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