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  • #61
    ^ thats nice, but the rose on the wrist is really nice

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    • #62
      let me see it

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      • #63
        Shlombaya, did you think I wouldn't answer?

        Sorry for the delay, got caught up in a few things. I was thinking about the best way to present to you the evidences for the forbiddance of tattooing (although many of the replies you got were amazing and answered your question) however, I find that there is a specific narration that deals with exactly what you ask. Permit me to carry on? Manana


        On the authority of ‘Abdullâh Ibn Mas’ûd – Allâh be pleased with him, who said:
        May Allâh curse those women who tattoo or seek to be tattooed, those women who remove facial hair or seek it to be removed and those women who put gaps between their teeth for beautification; those who seek to change Allâh’s creation.
        This reached a woman from Banî Asad who was called Umm Ya’qûb and who used to read the Qur`ân. She came to [Ibn Mas’ûd] and said, “What is this I hear from you, that you curse women who tattoo or seek to get tattooed, and those who remove facial hair and those who put gaps between their teeth for beauty, those who change Allâh’s creation?” ‘Abdullâh [Ibn Mas’ûd] replied, “And why should I not curse those whom Allâh’s Messenger has cursed and those who are mentioned in Allâh’s Book?” She said, “I have read [the Qur`ân] from cover to cover and I have not seen it mentioned.” He replied, “If you had really read it [carefully] you would have found it; Allâh the Mighty and Sublime said:
        And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, shun it. [Al-Hashr (59):7]
        The woman then said, “Well I have just seen some of this on your own wife.” He said, “Go and see her.” So she went to the wife of ‘Abdullâh but didn’t see anything. She returned to him and said, “I don’t see anything.” He said, “Well, if any of those practices had been done I would not be with her any more.”
        Al-Bukhârî and Muslim. This translation is from the version in Muslim.

        I hope this helps you, and the others, understand

        Gulalai - your claim that silence is encouragement still remains false. Rasullulah (saw) was sent as a mercy to mankind, what he encouraged he did not hide or stay silent about yet encouraged with full effort and made it known to everyone. There were some things that he (saw) remained silent as a mercy to us, so that we could CHOSE what we wanted to do. After you get this basic point then read what I and my buddies wrote above
        I desire that which is Just - House of Dukemina.

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        • #64
          I haven't read throughout the thread, but I love the way you replied Dukemina =) mashaAllah

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          • #65
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            Last edited by Levanaye Zalmaye; 12-15-2011, 07:42 PM.
            "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

            "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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            • #66
              dukmina
              wahh wahh
              what a name, but i never heard that before and u r display pic scares me

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              • #67
                Timbaktu, he knows - his only intent is to confuse the masses

                Khair, to answer, removing any hair besides the eyebrows is permissible

                Naatki - Manana khor jaana
                I desire that which is Just - House of Dukemina.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Dukemina View Post
                  Khair, to answer, removing any hair besides the eyebrows is permissible
                  Not according to what you've pasted above, guley.

                  See, this is where I get confused. Who said that? And what gave them the right to say that? And if they can say you can't shape your eyebrows, why not AND why remove other facial hair?

                  You people talk about these things like it's settled and done with. How do you manage suppressing your most natural questions that arise from such crass rulings? Every day, I find more reasons why it's called blind faith.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Mayana View Post
                    Your body is not yours, it's considered Amaanat - a trust. So you're not free to do with it what you want and modify it.

                    Ibn `Umar (Allah be pleased with him) relates that, “The Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace) cursed the one both the one who gets tattooed and the tattooer.” [Bukhari, Muslim]

                    SeekersGuidance - Tattoos: Impermissiblity, Ritual Ablution, & Leading Others in Prayer - SeekersGuidance Answers Blog
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Dukemina View Post
                      Timbaktu, he knows - his only intent is to confuse the masses

                      Khair, to answer, removing any hair besides the eyebrows is permissible
                      The are a few reasons why plucking eyebrows are not permitted. One, you have mentioned, we do not alter Allah's creation, and second, the one it leans more towards, is the fact that this was a common practice of the prostitutes during the Jahilliyah period and, as we are advised not to imitate kufaar or jews in their doings, this too, is prohibited so we do not imitate those women. I hope this clears other misconceptions we may have in 'altering' Allah's creation.

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                      • #71
                        Mahzala I didn't know that. Its also an expense which can be avoided

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by *Mahzala* View Post
                          The are a few reasons why plucking eyebrows are not permitted. One, you have mentioned, we do not alter Allah's creation,
                          But how is removing hair from the eyebrows ANY different from removing hair from, say, the legs or the rest of the face? If plucking eyebrows is considered haraam, why not the rest? (If your answer will be what you said in the second part of your message, I'm getting to that.)

                          [QUOTE=*Mahzala*;128168]and second, the one it leans more towards, is the fact that this was a common practice of the prostitutes during the Jahilliyah period/QUOTE]

                          Just during that period? Don't we always say that Islam is for all people of all times? So, for the rest of humanity, it seem like women will be plucking their eyebrows, and we see the commonality of this today. Why is it haraam now when it's not associated with prostitution at all? And if it was JUST the Arab prostitutes who plucked their eyebrows, what about the non-Arab Muslims of that time? Why are we universalizing the forbiddance of a certain practice just because of a small group of people? This actually makes sense to people? . . .

                          Originally posted by *Mahzala* View Post
                          and, as we are advised not to imitate kufaar or jews in their doings, this too, is prohibited so we do not imitate those women. I hope this clears other misconceptions we may have in 'altering' Allah's creation.
                          Regarding this whole talk of not imitating the Jews/Kuffar, actually, we'll have to first figure out who came up with the idea of removing hair from the body in the first place. Since the practice has been in existence for centuries and beyond, and we know it existed long before Islam, it cannot have been initiated by "Muslims" -- but then again, what exactly do we mean by this? What if those who actually came up with the practice were "Jews" who later converted to Islam?

                          And, again, why just eyebrows? What about the rest of the body hair? Why remove that but not eyebrows?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Qrratugai View Post
                            But how is removing hair from the eyebrows ANY different from removing hair from, say, the legs or the rest of the face? If plucking eyebrows is considered haraam, why not the rest? (If your answer will be what you said in the second part of your message, I'm getting to that.)

                            It's not rocket science. I've explained this a few times on this site, but it seems you, as usual, are looking for an answer that pleases you, or a logic that suits yours. I, on the other hand, accept the Law of God as it is, and don't pick the nitty gritty out of it. So, let's start again.

                            What you fail to understand or what I have failed to communicate is that I clarified the same point in my post that you ask of, again. Eyebrows are different, because women in pre-Islamic Arabia made it common practice, and we are advised not to imitate them. Undoubtedly, their motive was beauty purposes. See, one can alter Allah's creation for other reasons, be it a deformity or the like. But when it comes down to it being altered to look beautiful, the message is: I am not pleased with the way Allah has created me, I can do it better myself. In the simplest terms. What is permissible is if there is hair outside of the line of the eyebrows, such as a mole from which a hair is growing. This may be removed because in this case it is removing a kind of fault or deformity, not in order to look beautiful.

                            As for the other part of your question, there are three categories of hair removal that scholars have divided permissibility into. The first category known as Sunan al Fitrah are the hairs we are commanded to remove or shorten such as pubic hairs, that of the armpit or shortning/removing the moustache. Removal of hair during Hajj and Umrah also falls under this category. The second category is known as Al Namas. These are hairs we are forbidden to remove, and plucking of the eyebrows falls under this category. The third and final category is that which texts and scholars have often been silent about. It refers to hair of the the legs, hands, cheeks or forehead. There is difference of opinion with regards to this category, where some scholars argue it is not permissible as the same 'altering creation' argument applies, whereas other have said that, based on the general rule, that if is not mentioned in Quran and Sunnah, it is made permissible.

                            Originally posted by Qrratugai View Post
                            Just during that period? Don't we always say that Islam is for all people of all times? So, for the rest of humanity, it seem like women will be plucking their eyebrows, and we see the commonality of this today. Why is it haraam now when it's not associated with prostitution at all? And if it was JUST the Arab prostitutes who plucked their eyebrows, what about the non-Arab Muslims of that time? Why are we universalizing the forbiddance of a certain practice just because of a small group of people? This actually makes sense to people? . . .

                            First of all, I suggest you rephrase your question in terms of the way you are addressing it to whoever you are. The 'we' in your argument is not me, you, or a Jack and Jick. It is God's Law revealed to us, which is clarified in the Sunnah and Ahadeeth. So 'we' are not doing any of the above. We are merely regurgetating scholarly consensus. Secondly, it is an imitation of those women, who were not Muslims, and to highlight the difference in practice (as is the case with men and moustache for instance), it is prohibited in our religion.

                            Originally posted by Qrratugai View Post
                            Regarding this whole talk of not imitating the Jews/Kuffar, actually, we'll have to first figure out who came up with the idea of removing hair from the body in the first place. Since the practice has been in existence for centuries and beyond, and we know it existed long before Islam, it cannot have been initiated by "Muslims" -- but then again, what exactly do we mean by this? What if those who actually came up with the practice were "Jews" who later converted to Islam? And, again, why just eyebrows? What about the rest of the body hair? Why remove that but not eyebrows?

                            I don't think there is any relevance to the history or origin of hair removal with this topic at hand. We learn and practice what was revealed 1400 years ago. Some things were permissible during Rasulullah SAW's lifetime such a grave visiting for women, but then later, he, himself, in another hadeeth said it is not recommended and makes reference to the former Hadeeth in the 'revised' one. Basing something on its invention or origin, at least in this argument, holds very less value and makes very little sense. As for the second part of your question, hair removal is permissible because of the general ruling I have mentioned above. It'd be futile repeating it in the very same post.

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                            • #74
                              Is qrrutaugi muslim? I have always seen her attack hadith of the prophet alehi Salam pls she even thinks that if someone calls him self prophet after the last messenger it's ok.qrratugi we are Muslims what ever our orders we take and what ever he forbids we stay away .I m amazed who made you modrater.muslimeen be aware of such losers

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                              • #75
                                Tatoos is a piece of Art which they say causes skin cancer

                                but so does pollution from Car exhaust pipes.

                                Kind Regards

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