Qadiani's Declare 1.5 Billion Muslims As Kafirs

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

when will you people acquire some shame. why do you people keep lying?

[Khan]

<---- Momin; at his best dancing around the matters rather coming to the point.

[abubaker]

he died of cholera didn't he

so what happened to his prophecy, that true prophets don't die of cholera

"...punishment which is not by human hands but only at the hands of God, such as Plague and Cholera etc. deadly diseases...

^ Prayer of Mirza Ghulam, against his erstwhile opponent, Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari seeking judgment from Allah, Majmooa-e-Ishteharaat, Collection of Advertisement of Mirza Ghulam, vol.3 p.578-579. Published by Jamaat Ahmadiyya Headquarter London

many of his prophecies became false, how is it that a prophet could be a liar naudubilla

but i know your going to say they were conditional prophecies


here is a quote from mitza ghula ''la'anatullah alaihi''

To turn out a liar in his own prophecy is biggest disgrace of disgraces."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 15, P. 382)

now lets see how many of his prohocies failed


False Prophecies of a False Prophet

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's predictions on Abdullah Khan Atham

(All references are from Qadiani books)
To support his claim of being the Promised Messiah, Mirza Ghulam often engaged in debates with little known Christians. In 1893, Mirza Ghulam challenged Mr. Abdullah Khan Atham, a retired deputy commissioner and a Christian, to a debate to prove the truthfulness of either religion. In his challenge to Mr. Atham, Mirza Ghulam boasted:

"I am ready for this Holy War."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 65)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani had earlier stated:

"I agree that if the signs of my truthfulness are not shown, I will admit that I am not from God and will give up Islamic faith or will surrender half of my wealth for propagation of Christianity."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 48-49)
"I swear upon God that God told me 'Whatever was given to the Messiah (Jesus) has been given to you and you are the Promised Messiah'."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 49)

The debate between Mirza Ghulam and Mr. Atham commenced on May 22, 1893 and went on till June 5, 1893. Toward the end of the debate, Christians brought one blind, one deaf, and one paralyzed individual to the debate and challenged Mirza Ghulam to cure them as Jesus(pbuh) had done! Naturally, Mirza was not able to cure any of them.
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 291)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani offered such a weak argument against Mr. Atham and was so badly humiliated that both Muslims and Christians were openly admitting the failure of Mirza to prove the truthfulness of Islam. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 25) Several Qadianis were even reported to have converted to Christianity, as the result of Mirza Ghulam's loss.
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 28, footnote)

Having been so badly defeated, Mirza Ghulam resorted to one of his old tricks. On June 5, 1893, he announced that the night before he has received a Grand Prophecy from Allah(SWT). He said:

"When I humbly entreated and implored God Almighty and prayed to Him to show me the details of the matter, He indicated to me that the liar will die within 15 months (before September 5, 1894), provided he does not return to the truth (Islam); and he who is on the truth and believes in true God, his honor will be restored and when this prophecy is fulfilled some blind man will start seeing, paralyzed start walking, and deaf start hearing. I admit that if this prophecy proves to be False, I am prepared for every punishment. My face should be blackened and I should be hanged. I swear by the Mighty Allah that what I have said will happen. It must happen. It is possible that the earth may be changed for another earth and the sky may be replaced by another sky, but it is not possible for God's word to change -- prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satans and the evil persons are cursed."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 292-293; Jang-i-Maqaddas, P. 188)
We need to keep in mind that Mr. Atham was already sixty six (66) years old, at the time of this prophecy. During the next 10 months, several attempts on Mr. Atham's life were made: someone fired a shot at him, a cobra was found in his house, people tried to break the door to his bedroom, etc. (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 13, P. 163)

Following all these attempts on his life, Mr. Atham was given continuous police protection and, to throw off the would be assassins, he changed his residence several times. As the promised deadline drew closer, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and his followers grew more and more anxious. Mirza even resorted to distributing candies among children, asking them to pray for Atham's death (What manner of a prophet was he?)! On August 22, 1894, in a letter to one of his closest associates, Mirza Ghulam stated:

"Respected brother Rustam Ali,
Peace, God's mercy and blessing on you.

Your esteemed letter and card have reached me through the mail. Only a few days are now left for the fulfillment of the grand prophecy. We pray that God might save his servants from confusion and trial. The person in question (Abdullah Atham) is currently in Ferozpur (a city in India) and is still hale and healthy. May Allah save His weak servants from distraction. Amen! Amen! I am fine. Please also ask Moulvi Sahib to join us in our prayer (that Mr. Atham should die).
Salam; Ghulam Ahmad from Qadian."
(Maktubat-e-Ahmadiah, Vol. 5, No. 3, P. 128, by Yaqub Ali of Qadian)
So much for Mr. Atham's attempt to try to live in hiding. Qadianis were keeping track of his whereabouts; fortunately, Mr. Atham was under 24 hour police protection. Bashir Ahmad, a son and a very close supporter of Mirza Ghulam, has recorded the following:

"Miyan Abdullah Sinnuari has reported to me that when only one day was left for the expiration of the prophecy (September 4, 1894), the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam) summoned Miyan Hamdi Ali and I and ordered us to take a particular number of beans and recite on them a particular chapter of the Holy Quran so many times. I have forgotten the verse, but I remember it was a short surah, probably as short as "Al-Fil". We spent the entire night reciting the chapter and, after completing the assignment, we took the beans to His Holiness (Mirza Ghulam). He lead us to the northern part of Qadian and told us: 'I shall soon throw these beans in a deserted well. When I throw these, do not look behind but turn back on your heels and hasten back home.' He did so and we ran back home without looking behind."
(Sirat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. I, P.159/178, by Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
Yet, nothing happened! Mirza Ghulam had another prophecy:

God has told me that "he (Mr. Atham) will die soon; if not, then the sun on the last day of the 15th month (September 5, 1894) will not set until Atham dies."
(Reported in Al-Hakam Qadiani Newspaper, September 7, 1923)
Yaqub Ali Qadiani in his book titled the Life of the Promised Messiah recounted:

"When the last day of the period appointed for Atham dawned, the faces of the Qadianis were pale white and their hearts were perturbed. Some of us had laid bets with the opponents on the death of Abdullah Atham. A sense of dismay and depression prevailed...."
(Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P. 7)
The sun set and nothing, again! Mirza Ghulam gathered people in a mosque and reassured them that nothing was lost. He prophecised that "The sun will not rise and Atham will be dead." He ordered them to pray all night asking for the death of Atham.(Raees-e-Qadian, Vol. 2, P. 172). That night voices were heard from every Qadiani house in town, so that the "cries and wails reached such a pitch that even the opponents felt afraid." (Sirat-ul-Mehdi, P. 7)

Yet, the sun rose and Mr. Atham had not died! Many Qadianis were agitated by these failed prophecies, some even gave up on their faith. Mirza Ghulam, once again, gathered his remaining supporters and gave them a sermon on the meaning of tests and trials. Some accepted his explanation and forgot the failure of the prophecies he had attributed to Allah(SWT). On the other hand, the Christians celebrated the failure of Mirza Ghulam in Amristar (a city in India) and carried Mr. Atham around in a victory march. To them, Mirza Ghulam's loss equated the loss of Islam. (Al-Hukam of Qadian, September 7, 1923, by Rahim Buksh Qadiani)

In a last attempt to save face, Mirza Ghulam and some of his close associates suggested that, since the prophecies had not come to pass, Mr. Atham must have turned his back on Christianity and become a Muslim! (Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 2)

Apparently, this self-proclaimed Prophet did not think much of his own followers! Did he expect his followers to forget that Allah(SWT) will not go back on His promise to his prophet? Did he even expect them to forget his own words:

"It is possible that heaven and earth may heavens might be shaken from their place but the promise of God is unshakable."
(Jang-i-Muqaddas, P. 2)
In an announcement published in the newspaper Wadadar on September 15, 1894, Mr Atham declared:

"I invite your attention to the prophecy of Ghulam Ahmad about my death. I inform you that, by the grace of God, I am safe and sound. I have heard Ghulam Ahmad alleging that I have turned my back on Christianity. I proclaim that this is a lie. I was a Christian and I ever remained a Christian and I thank God that He made me a Christian..."
(Wafadar, Lahor, September 15, 1894 - not a Qadiani paper)
Muhammad Ali Khan, the son-in-law of Mirza Ghulam, in a letter to Mirza Ghulam expressed his dismay and concern for the clear loss and failure of all the prophecies:

"Respected Maulana, May God keep you safe!
Peace and Mercy of Allah on you.

Today, is the 7th of September, while the last day of the fulfillment of the grand prophecy was the 5th of September. I shall not repeat the words of the prophecy. I shall, however, mention the words of your revelation - 'Now I promise before God that if my prophecy is proved to be a false one and the liar does not die within the period of fifteen months and is not plunged into Hell, I am prepared for my punishment By God, it will so happen. The earth and the heavens might be shaken from their place but the promise of God is unshakable.' Was this prophecy fulfilled according to Mirza Sahib's description? No - Never. Abdullah Atham is safe, sound, and alive and is not punished by dead to be flung into Hell. I do not consider any other interpretation is possible for this prophecy than what it clearly meant to be. It, however, sounds very ugly that every prophecy is misunderstood and had to be elaborately interpreted to be rightly understood. At the birth of a child, for instance, it was named Bashir (harbinger of good tidings) for good omen, and when it died, you said the matter was misunderstood. As for the prophecy concerning Atham, it has given birth to the very master piece of distortion and interpretation."
(Aina-e-Haq Numa, P. 100-101, Published by Yaqub Ali Qadiani)
Once more, let's review the failed prophecies which Mirza Ghulam attributed to Allah(SWT), in regard to Mr. Atham:
Mr. Atham will accept Islam;
Mirza Ghulam has been given all the capabilities given to Jesus(pbuh);
Mr. Atham will die by September 5, 1894;
A blind man will start seeing, a paralyzed person will start walking, and deaf individual will start hearing;
The sun on the last day of the 15th month (September 5, 1894) will not set until Atham dies;
The sun will not rise and Atham will be dead.
It is unfortunate that Mirza Ghulam has already died. If he were alive now in an Islamic state (not protected by British forces), Muslims would have done as he suggested. They would have blackened his face and hung him as he had requested.


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False Prophecies of a False Prophet

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's predictions on Plague (Cholera)

(All references are from Qadiani books)
Regarding the plague which was ravaging in the Indian Province of Punjab, Mirza Ghulam said:

"He is the truthful God who has sent His Apostle to Qadian. He shall protect and defend Qadian against plague even though it will be on the rampage for seventy years, for Qadian is the dwelling place of His Apostle and in this are signs for nations."
(Dafi-ul-Bala, P. 10-11)
However, even though the cities neighboring Qadian were not affected by the plague, Qadian was ravaged by the plague for almost one year. In a letter to his son-in-law, Muhammad Ali Khan, Mirza Ghulam wrote:

"Plague here is in its worst form. A person dies within hours after he is infected by it. God alone knows when will this extreme trial end... Please bring with you a big package of phenol nephthaline whose price is about twenty rupees. Also send phenol for your own house."
(Maktubat-i-Ahmadiyya, Vol. 5, P. 112-113)
In another letter to his son-in-law, Mirza admitted that the plague had entered his house:

"Plague has not spared even our own house. The elderly Ghausan (an elderly woman) was afflicted by it. We expelled her from the house. Ustad Muhammad Din was also struck with plague. We turned him out too. Today, another woman who was visiting us and had come from Delhi was also struck with plague. I also fell seriously ill and I felt that between me and death were only a few seconds."
(Maktubat-i-Ahmadiyya, Vol 5, P. 115)
This is even thought Mirza Ghulam had prophecised about Qadian and his house:

"And in this is a sign for nations."
"Indeed my house is like the Arc of Noah. Whosoever enters it is immune against calamities and misfortunes."
(Safina-i-Nooh, P. 26)
Mirza Ghulam's prophecy regarding the sanctity of his house, the safety of Qadian, and the plague were all shown to be false. The plague was indeed "a sign for all nations"! It was the sign of Mirza Ghulam's falsehood and lies against Allah(SWT).


---Indeed my house is like the Arc of Noah. Whosoever enters it is immune against calamities and misfortunes."----------
------------"Plague has not spared even our own house. The elderly Ghausan (an elderly woman) was afflicted by it. We expelled her from the house. Ustad Muhammad Din was also struck with plague. We turned him out too. Today, another woman who was visiting us and had come from Delhi was also struck with plague. I also fell seriously ill and I felt that between me and death were only a few seconds."

[contradictions or what] plus those who say he died of diarrhea and not cholera, this quote indicates other wise

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another false prophecy

False Prophecies of a False Prophet

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's predictions on Son to a Follower

(All references are from Qadiani books)
Manzoor Muhammad, one of the close followers of Mirza Ghulam, informed him that his wife had conceived. Upon hearing this, Mirza Ghulam stood up and announced:

"We saw in a dream that a son was born to Manzoor Muhammad. We asked about his name. The state of the dream changed into the state of revelation. It was said: 'Bashir-ud-Daula' (the harbinger of kingdom). But, I do not know what is meant by Manzoor Muhammad."
(Review of Religions, P. 122, March 1906)
Obviously, Mirza Ghulam was learning from his prior failed attempts at making prophecies. By suggesting that 'Manzoor Muhammad' would have been another individual, he had left room to save face. However, Allah(SWT)'s plan was to expose Mirza Ghulam's untruthfulness once more and give his followers another sign that they had been diverted from the right path. Only four months later, Mirza Ghulam once again announced:

"We have been informed that it is this same Manzoor Muhammad specified in the revelation. A son will be born to him from his current wife and he will be named 'Bashir-ud-Daula'. It is possible that the boy is not born of this pregnancy but from the next. It is, however, inevitable that he will be born, as he is the sign of God..."
(Review of Religions, June1906)
"I received revelation that ... Manzoor Muhammad and his wife shall have a son whose name shall be 'Bahir-ud-Daula'."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 103)

Once again, Mirza Ghulam had tried to make his prophecy failure proof by suggesting that the boy might be born in a subsequent pregnancy. However, he planned and Allah(SWT) also planned, and Allah(SWT) is the best of planners. Unknowingly, Mirza Ghulam had planted the seed which would expose his falsehood once more.

In July 1906, Manzoor Muhammad's wife gave birth to a daughter. Stubbornly, Mirza Ghulam prophecised:

"Manzoor Muhammad's wife shall not die unless she gives birth to this noble son and until the prophecy is fulfilled."
(Review of Religions, June 1907)
Once again, he was shown to be fabricating lies against Allah(SWT). Indeed, Manzoor Muhammad's wife never conceived again and died without ever delivering the prophecised son. Allah(SWT) had made this another sign of Mirza Ghulam's false claims for those who really believe. But, did most Qadianis revert back to Islam? No! They had closed their minds and Allah(SWT) sealed their hearts for their arrogance. The Qadiani leadership instead declared:

"God knows when and how will this prophecy come true as his holiness had given the news of its fulfillment through Manzoor Muhammad's wife who has died...

[Khan]

Cholera is really decent, he died of diarrhea.

In Dari there's a matal " Morda ra ke khuda mesharmana..chatalish sare takhta mera" When Allah (SWT) embarrasses a bad person in his death his poop goes off while he's washed.

[abubaker]

Cholera is really decent, he died of diarrhea.

In Dari there's a matal " Morda ra ke khuda mesharmana..chatalish sare takhta mera" When Allah (SWT) embarrasses a bad person in his death his poop goes off while he's washed.

The pint was that he said Allah will not inflect him cholera because he was ''a true prophet'' yet from their literature, we can see that even his house was struck by cholera even though he prophocised that anyone who enters it will not be harmed in any way.

[Khan]

^ Hahaha

I can imagine how bad is he rotting in hell.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Thats video didn't really answer my question. It mainly talked about 72 sects. maybe my urdu is getting weak.

can you kindly elaborate on why Ahlul bayt and the sahabas undrestood "khatm" to mean last?

Actually, khatam means "seal" not last. When Hadhrat Hasan and Hussein (ra)were being taught the Quran, Hadhrat Ali (ra) made sure to teach them khatam not khatim.

Imam Suyuti (ra) brings a hadith where Hadhrat Aisha (ra) says: Say Khatamun Nabiyyen but don't say la nabiyya ba'duhu.

[Saifullah]

How many threads do u guys dedicate to these clowns? Stop giving ahmadis attention

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I know your position on this issue that khatam means seal and not last you are correct in linguistic sense.

What I want to ask you is why do we have numerous hadiths and when something is that widely reported from different people, it can't possibly be fabricated, which mention that Muhmmad (saw) is both the last messenger and prophet.

Do you think they are all fabrications? Why did the sahabas like ibn abbas, say that:

"The meaning of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen is that God has concluded the Prophet hood on Muhammad and after him there would be no Prophet or Messenger"


So why did Ibn Abbas (the cousin and close companion) of the prophet (saw), say that in his tafsir al miqbas?

Dear brother,

if you ponder upon your own belief you don't believe that the Prophet (saw) is the last prophet. Chronologically, Hadhrat Isa (as) is the last prophet according to your belief. First reconcile that.