Did Allah make Quranic descriptions stupid on purpose?

[maneatinglizard]

How the hell is Sharia moderate? Sharia and Islam have never been moderate, the ultimate goal of islam is to dominate and make the whole world muslim, even by force, that is not moderation, almost nothing in Quran and hadith is moderate. Islam is extreme beyond words in every way

What is moderate? Whatever the West says? The caste system? Judaism? Communism?

You don't get to decide that something is moderate or not without being able to define what moderation actually is. From a Muslim's perspective, Islam is perfectly moderate, and deviation from it is extremism in one way or another. By definition, the Quran and authentic Ahadith are moderation. If you disagree, then you'd have to explain what your conception of moderation is before there can be any further discussion.

We're speaking two different languages here. You seem to know what we define as moderate but can't accept it as such. However, we don't even know what moderation means to you.

[khushal]

That's not contradiction. Islam as a religion is the moderate approach as opposed to other religions and ways of life.


Other people are seen as somehow misguided or extreme from an Islamic perspective and therefore our Sharia is the moderate middle path approach.

It is therefore stupid and nonsensical to claim that one is following Islam moderately.

Only a stupid person or a zindeeq would suggest that Islam is extreme and therefore you have to practice it moderately.

Islam isn't extreme but people take things to the extreme because of the environment or situation they face. Pampered environments tend to make people take things to one extreme and wartorn, resourceless, chaotic environments force people to take things to another extreme.

Its you who made the comment moderate muslims are the same as liberals. Its not that Islam should be practiced moderately, its that people have to remember that Islam promotes moderation and balance.

[Karachi]

What is moderate? Whatever the West says? The caste system? Judaism? Communism?

You don't get to decide that something is moderate or not without being able to define what moderation actually is. From a Muslim's perspective, Islam is perfectly moderate, and deviation from it is extremism in one way or another. By definition, the Quran and authentic Ahadith are moderation. If you disagree, then you'd have to explain what your conception of moderation is before there can be any further discussion.

We're speaking two different languages here. You seem to know what we define as moderate but can't accept it as such. However, we don't even know what moderation means to you.

Living in Canada is moderate, which has human based system, where everyone is treated equally. No wonder so many muslims are coming here, running away from your thirdclass Sharia system, one of the most barbaric systems out there. At the end it does not matter what muslim perspective is, you guys are barbaric cavemen, you offer nothing to this world, you are a big fail in everyway, no one listens to you

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No that has to do with the negative impact that colonialism left; notice people from South America, Africa and even East Asia and South East Asia are all coming migrating to Western countries.

Canada being a British protectorate introduced immigration in connection to British labor distribution from the colonies. This is why France has so many N. African immigrants, they colonized those places. It wasn[t because "Islam was imposed" or some nonsense White people made up

ASaying things like "living in Canada is Moderate" is just recycling White Narrative, and you deny that you're trying to impress white people.

[a.s.takhar]

No that has to do with the negative impact that colonialism left; notice people from South America, Africa and even East Asia and South East Asia are all coming migrating to Western countries.

Canada being a British protectorate introduced immigration in connection to British labor distribution from the colonies. This is why France has so many N. African immigrants, they colonized those places. It wasn[t because "Islam was imposed" or some nonsense White people made up

ASaying things like "living in Canada is Moderate" is just recycling White Narrative, and you deny that you're trying to impress white people.

..says Iblis_Idiotzai...whilst trying to impress Arabs by bending down with his rear end up in the air and facing towards Arabia.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Trying to impress Arabs means holding creation above creator, which is against Islam, so your statement is nonsensical

Not sure what your fixation for bending over is ...If I recall Hindus also prostrate, are they trying to impress Arabs too?

[Firdousi]

By Western labels, moderates are defined as the ones that keep their religion at home and extremists are the ones that take it beyond their home. They played this tactic with their Christians as well while at the same time it is OK for homosexuals to dangle their homosexuality everywhere which is why homosexuals are widely accepted as some "holymen." Today politicians tell their constituents that Russia is evil because they have made laws against homosexuals while in the 80's Russia was evil because it was "Godless."

See how the tactics are playing out and this poll just came in:
American Muslims growing more liberal, survey shows - CNN.com

Secularism is a key part of the liberal agenda. Its not just about "keeping faith at home", Western liberals want to eradicate the Christian religion. They don't really care about Muslims, Buddhism, refugees, women or homosexuals: they are just tools to use and throw away in their own anti-Western agenda. Liberals hate white people, men, Christians, the USA, NATO,.. and they will use ANYTHING as long as it serves their evil purposes. Cultural marxism is part of the liberal agenda: they are at war against themselves. No wonder Western liberalism is in decay, nobody respects a decadent civilization like this no matter how advanced they are when it comes to technology, science or culture.

I believe you are mixing up some stuff, dude: anti-Russia sentiments historically have been promoted by right wing people while all this guy stuff is being sponsored by lefties.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Secularism is a key part of the liberal agenda. Its not just about "keeping faith at home", Western liberals want to eradicate the Christian religion. They don't really care about Muslims, Buddhism, refugees, women or homosexuals: they are just tools to use and throw away in their own anti-Western agenda. Liberals hate white people, men, Christians, the USA, NATO,.. and they will use ANYTHING as long as it serves their evil purposes. Cultural marxism is part of the liberal agenda: they are at war against themselves. No wonder Western liberalism is in decay, nobody respects a decadent civilization like this no matter how advanced they are when it comes to technology, science or culture.

I believe you are mixing up some stuff, dude: anti-Russia sentiments historically have been promoted by right wing people while all this guy stuff is being sponsored by lefties.

Exactly, Muslims and immigrants are a counterpoint to for the left validate their position....it's their version of "think of the children".

But I will say that Liberalism and Right Wing Ideology while domestically at odds, operate on the same principles, so Khushal isn't wrong, they simply are different heads of the same beast.

[Firdousi]

Exactly, Muslims and immigrants are a counterpoint to for the left validate their position....it's their version of "think of the children".

But I will say that Liberalism and Right Wing Ideology while domestically at odds, operate on the same principles, so Khushal isn't wrong, they simply are different heads of the same beast.

Disagree. Western lefties have a huge crush on Putin. They love him because they still stuck in their old "anti-imperialist" Cold War mentality. They can't face they lost and move on. They will support ANYONE who stands against the West.

You can see how hypocrite liberals are: once Trump got into the office he tried to improve the relationship with Russia. Suddenly all the pro-Russian American lefties went full anti-Russian. Liberalism is disgusting. The sooner right wing authoritarianism takes over the better for the West and for the rest of the world, even if that is going to be harmful for us as "Western-Muslims".

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Disagree. Western lefties have a huge crush on Putin. They love him because they still stuck in their old "anti-imperialist" Cold War mentality. They can't face they lost and move on. They will support ANYONE who stands against the West.

You can see how hypocrite liberals are: once Trump got into the office he tried to improve the relationship with Russia. Suddenly all the pro-Russian American lefties went full anti-Russian. Liberalism is disgusting. The sooner right wing authoritarianism takes over the better for the West and for the rest of the world, even if that is going to be harmful for us as "Western-Muslims".

You're right it is, but I think what you're seeing is more a vestige of privileged white vanity. Beliefs and principles are fashion statements to them and they switch up whenever it suits their taste or agenda/

I notice white liberals being so cozy and sympathetic to Muslims; but Islamic values are in direct conflict with most of theirs, so either they're trying to water us down or they're clueless.

[maneatinglizard]

Disagree. Western lefties have a huge crush on Putin. They love him because they still stuck in their old "anti-imperialist" Cold War mentality. They can't face they lost and move on. They will support ANYONE who stands against the West.

You can see how hypocrite liberals are: once Trump got into the office he tried to improve the relationship with Russia. Suddenly all the pro-Russian American lefties went full anti-Russian. Liberalism is disgusting. The sooner right wing authoritarianism takes over the better for the West and for the rest of the world, even if that is going to be harmful for us as "Western-Muslims".

Don't know about liberals in Europe, but in the US it's the right-wingers who love Putin and Russia now. A lot of white supremacists see Russia as the last bastion of white/European culture (which is extremely stupid, because the official line in Russia is that they are culturally Asian, and Russia has tons of Muslims). American liberals haven't liked Russia even since Putin took over, since he basically redirected the country back towards a hard-line conservative policy approach, after being liberalized by the communists.

As for right-wing authoritarianism taking over in the West being the best for the world, I'm not sure I agree. What's best for the rest of the world is the West's power and influence falling. And right-wing authoritarians aren't all isolationists. Some want to start even more wars, and destroy more societies.

[Karachi]

No that has to do with the negative impact that colonialism left; notice people from South America, Africa and even East Asia and South East Asia are all coming migrating to Western countries.

Canada being a British protectorate introduced immigration in connection to British labor distribution from the colonies. This is why France has so many N. African immigrants, they colonized those places. It wasn[t because "Islam was imposed" or some nonsense White people made up

ASaying things like "living in Canada is Moderate" is just recycling White Narrative, and you deny that you're trying to impress white people.

What the hell are talking about douchbag, you afghans and arabs are coming in millions here, your people are escaping your barbaric culture, that is a failed culture in every way

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

What the hell are talking about douchbag, you afghans and arabs are coming in millions here, your people are escaping your barbaric culture, that is a failed culture in every way

Millions huh?

There are barely a million Muslims in Canada, and most of them ....are South Asian ...hmmmm ....shot yourself in the foot right now.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Maybe you're right, but there are born Muslims who act like him, and then to impress white people they start acting autistic ....all of them are Indian-Paki-Bangladeshi.

Even Afghan Ex Muslims generally don't go around acting autistic except that Nema Sadat guy.

why am i against islam? - YouTube

[Karachi]

Millions huh?

There are barely a million Muslims in Canada, and most of them ....are South Asian ...hmmmm ....shot yourself in the foot right now.

There are 33 million people in Canada idiot, and there are nearly 1 million arabs here alone, not including the huge afghan population here. Afghans migrate every where in the west, stop lying. They want to escape the horrific Islamic system