Western atheism

[Damir9000]

Thank you for proving me right and proving yourself wrong.


"The way atheism was understood in the URSS was much different than the way you Westernized fools understand it today."

Your point is wrong.

USSR didn't understand Atheism differently.
They just added marxist/communism philosophy.
You guys do though.

[Nekrofrost]

BTW don't know about gansters. We don't have them here in Europe. You want now to be a black gangster too?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy **** you are hilarious. You firstly equate black people to gangsters which is ****ing racist and then make the dumb claim of "v dunt hav gasters in urope". Hahaha wow.
Have you ever heard of the Italian mafia? Russian mafia? Various immigrant gangs like paki mirpuris in england and norway,and afg nation and many different somali and other northern african immigrant gangs in multiple parts of europe?

[Damir9000]

Jordan Peterson - The Problem With Atheism - YouTube

I have watched many of Jordan Peterson videos.

Although he believes in the spiritual/supernatural.
He does not believe the Bible, the Quran etc are literal work of God,
like Joseph Campbell.
Both of them don't belong to any mainstream religion.

Jordan Peterson also drew Muhammad for fun.

[kunatawar]

i like islam

[Damir9000]

Islam and Europe's history are different matters. your point is futile. Islam's pasts prove religion is not against progress. Islam encourages scientific progress. It's funny whenever this fact is presented, it's completely ignored ''but Islam is violent, barbaric and backward, cuz that's they show me on Fox News''...this is the only argument Islamophobes can provide and you can sense this is an emotion (often racist, I even remember yourself used racist slur toward Middle Eastern people in one thread) based stance born out of ignorance, racism and xenophobia.

How can a civilization that promotes and has an illustrious history of scientific progress be ''violent, barbaric and backward''?

We Muslims need to educate ourselves about our past, in order to build a better future. The regions inhabited by Muslims have been hotbeds of civilizations throughout the ages. The Islamophobes are ignorant of all history outside of Europe, afterall elementary history education is very Eurocentric in the West. All of this is to support White Supremacy/Western hegemony.

It doesn't matter how many centuries it has been. Ancient Greece was center of the world at one point, today they are pretty much irrelevant. Over the course of history, Muslims have contributed thinges of value, if they did it in the past, they can do it in future again. Clearly history proves Islam didn't hinder scientific progress. Nothing wrong with Islam itself.

THe point with Japan vs Mexico or Romania, was not all secular countries are like Japan, something you keep avoiding. If its secularism, then why is there an imbalance, when they are all secular? Clearly proves secularism has little relevance.

Yes Europe and Islamic countries have different history.
But I compared Islamic countries to the rest of the World. just look at East Asia.


"Islam's pasts prove religion is not against progress. Islam encourages scientific progress."
Really?

There are many that say that the Islamic golden age was a myth. That it was is based on plagiarism, preservation, appropriation of Persian, Indian, Greek works.
I can't prove or disprove these claims.


But if Islam does indeed encourage intellectual & scientific progress.
Where did it all go? Why did it stopped?
Where is the scientific, technology & literary work of Islamic countries?
Ever since the “Islamic Golden Age” nothing has been produced.

The Arabian Peninsula is the oldest Islamic region and richest. What have they produced in the STEM fields or in the Arts?
They haven't been bombed or invaded.
But even Germany, Japan & Korea were bombed and invaded look at them now. Many countries have suffered from much turmoil, but they are still doing better.


Here are some interesting facts:
The total number of books translated into Arabic in the last 1,000 years is fewer than those translated into Spanish in one year.
Greece — with a population of fewer than 11 million — translates five times as many books from abroad into Greek annually as the 22 Arab countries combined,
with a total population of more than 300 million, translate into Arabic.

How about simple education?
Nearly 40% of the Muslim World is illiterate. 3% for Greeks.

There are 600 Universities in total in Islamic countries

The Saudis have only 250 public libraries to serve a population of 26 million people, and there were no hours for female readers until 2006.
The Saudis spend many millions of dollars translating and publishing the Quran into other languages, without devoting similar efforts to making foreign books available in Arabic.
There 3000 libraries in Canada.

After 1400 years of Islam,
Islamic countries produce no major scientific & artistic work today.
And they don't invest in education even when they have money.

[ZarakDurrani606]

i like islam

I like pie

[Kakar-Wardak]

I have watched many of Jordan Peterson videos.

Although he believes in the spiritual/supernatural.
He does not believe the Bible, the Quran etc are literal work of God,
like Joseph Campbell.
Both of them don't belong to any mainstream religion.

Jordan Peterson also drew Muhammad for fun.

His beliefs are irrelevant, because he made a sound point in the video I linked to with regards to morality, athiest may deny it but most of their existing laws are based on Christian morality.

[SpiritualBeast]

Yes Europe and Islamic countries have different history.
But I compared Islamic countries to the rest of the World. just look at East Asia.


"Islam's pasts prove religion is not against progress. Islam encourages scientific progress."
Really?

There are many that say that the Islamic golden age was a myth. That it was is based on plagiarism, preservation, appropriation of Persian, Indian, Greek works.
I can't prove or disprove these claims.


But if Islam does indeed encourage intellectual & scientific progress.
Where did it all go? Why did it stopped?
Where is the scientific, technology & literary work of Islamic countries?
Ever since the “Islamic Golden Age” nothing has been produced.

The Arabian Peninsula is the oldest Islamic region and richest. What have they produced in the STEM fields or in the Arts?
They haven't been bombed or invaded.
But even Germany, Japan & Korea were bombed and invaded look at them now. Many countries have suffered from much turmoil, but they are still doing better.


Here are some interesting facts:
The total number of books translated into Arabic in the last 1,000 years is fewer than those translated into Spanish in one year.
Greece — with a population of fewer than 11 million — translates five times as many books from abroad into Greek annually as the 22 Arab countries combined,
with a total population of more than 300 million, translate into Arabic.

How about simple education?
Nearly 40% of the Muslim World is illiterate. 3% for Greeks.

There are 600 Universities in total in Islamic countries

The Saudis have only 250 public libraries to serve a population of 26 million people, and there were no hours for female readers until 2006.
The Saudis spend many millions of dollars translating and publishing the Quran into other languages, without devoting similar efforts to making foreign books available in Arabic.
There 3000 libraries in Canada.

After 1400 years of Islam,
Islamic countries produce no major scientific & artistic work today.
And they don't invest in education even when they have money.

Your posts are that of an ignorant brainwashed mentally colonized sheep...

Islams golden Age Muslims were leaders of the World. Thats a fact. Wether they were only taking Works of others is or not is completely irrelevant to this topic. Fact is Muslims encouraged scientific progress, and produced countless notable scientists, when your claim was Islam hindered scientific progress. You lost! :facepalm:

you claimed religion and Islam was "backwards barbaric and violent" and hindered scientific progress. when it has a history of Excellence on all Fields of science and life in general...

I already proved you wrong and you also admitted it...this discussion is over. Lol

[Firdousi]

Yes Europe and Islamic countries have different history.
But I compared Islamic countries to the rest of the World. just look at East Asia.


"Islam's pasts prove religion is not against progress. Islam encourages scientific progress."
Really?

There are many that say that the Islamic golden age was a myth. That it was is based on plagiarism, preservation, appropriation of Persian, Indian, Greek works.
I can't prove or disprove these claims.


But if Islam does indeed encourage intellectual & scientific progress.
Where did it all go? Why did it stopped?
Where is the scientific, technology & literary work of Islamic countries?
Ever since the “Islamic Golden Age” nothing has been produced.

The Arabian Peninsula is the oldest Islamic region and richest. What have they produced in the STEM fields or in the Arts?
They haven't been bombed or invaded.
But even Germany, Japan & Korea were bombed and invaded look at them now. Many countries have suffered from much turmoil, but they are still doing better.


Here are some interesting facts:
The total number of books translated into Arabic in the last 1,000 years is fewer than those translated into Spanish in one year.
Greece — with a population of fewer than 11 million — translates five times as many books from abroad into Greek annually as the 22 Arab countries combined,
with a total population of more than 300 million, translate into Arabic.

How about simple education?
Nearly 40% of the Muslim World is illiterate. 3% for Greeks.

There are 600 Universities in total in Islamic countries

The Saudis have only 250 public libraries to serve a population of 26 million people, and there were no hours for female readers until 2006.
The Saudis spend many millions of dollars translating and publishing the Quran into other languages, without devoting similar efforts to making foreign books available in Arabic.
There 3000 libraries in Canada.

After 1400 years of Islam,
Islamic countries produce no major scientific & artistic work today.
And they don't invest in education even when they have money.

You see guys? Western orientalism at work here. This is how a mentally colonized person speaks. This is how the modern atheists adoptted pure white supremacism narrative here. This guy is just spreading typical white supremacist propaganda: Muslims are barbaric animals, all their history is forgery and plagiarism, Westerners are superior by nature,..

I just wonder how comes muslim Americans are better educated, have higher income than the average White superior joe? How come Muslims occupy more high jobs such as engineering, medicine, science, law than white people? Explain this to mee.

How come American Muslims despite making up only 1% of USA population represent almost 10% of the doctores in that country? How come 40% Muslims have high studies (same than atheists and agnostics) while White christians have an average of 25%?

The most and least educated U.S. religious groups | Pew Research Center

You are too stupid to realize how stupid you are Damir.

[Damir9000]

His beliefs are irrelevant, because he made a sound point in the video I linked to with regards to morality, athiest may deny it but most of their existing laws are based on Christian morality.

Christianity created by men isn't it not ?

Also, much of the morality of today is based on reason & human compassion.
They don't even apply much of what it is dictated in the Bible anyway.

[Damir9000]

Your posts are that of an ignorant brainwashed mentally colonized sheep...

Islams golden Age Muslims were leaders of the World. Thats a fact. Wether they were only taking Works of others is or not is completely irrelevant to this topic. Fact is Muslims encouraged scientific progress, and produced countless notable scientists, when your claim was Islam hindered scientific progress. You lost! :facepalm:

you claimed religion and Islam was "backwards barbaric and violent" and hindered scientific progress. when it has a history of Excellence on all Fields of science and life in general...

I already proved you wrong and you also admitted it...this discussion is over. Lol

You didn't prove or win anything. LOL
Stop acting like a kid.

You just went ape**** because I mentioned there is doubt about the Islamic Golden Age.
That wasn't even my argument.

[Damir9000]

You see guys? Western orientalism at work here. This is how a mentally colonized person speaks. This is how the modern atheists adoptted pure white supremacism narrative here. This guy is just spreading typical white supremacist propaganda: Muslims are barbaric animals, all their history is forgery and plagiarism, Westerners are superior by nature,..

I just wonder how comes muslim Americans are better educated, have higher income than the average White superior joe? How come Muslims occupy more high jobs such as engineering, medicine, science, law than white people? Explain this to mee.

How come American Muslims despite making up only 1% of USA population represent almost 10% of the doctores in that country? How come 40% Muslims have high studies (same than atheists and agnostics) while White christians have an average of 25%?

The most and least educated U.S. religious groups | Pew Research Center

You are too stupid to realize how stupid you are Damir.

Western Orientalism? Mentally colonized? White Supremacism?
LOL


Hey nice statistics about religious groups living in the USA, a secular country.

I guess Muslims do better living in a secular state than in their own.
Maybe it's the mental colonization that helps.

Interesting that Hindus actually do better.

Thanks for aiding my argument though.

[SpiritualBeast]

You didn't prove or win anything. LOL
Stop acting like a kid.

You just went ape**** because I mentioned there is doubt about the Islamic Golden Age.
That wasn't even my argument.

I proved your an ignorant brainwashed inferiority complexed sheep. You claim Islamic golden Age is a myth and Islam hindered scientific progress, yet still somehow craters on the moon have been named in honor of people produced by Islamic society.

I have argued with Islamophobes and anti Islam people over the years and every time I noticed a pattern.

Islamophobes have 4 simple arguments:

1. Islam is "backwards, violent and barbaric", when proven wrong. Go to Step two.
2. Islam hinders scientific progress. When proven wrong.
3. Islams scientific history is a "myth"
4. "But it was not their religion/society, it was their genius".
5. Repeat process

Your at Step 3.

Islamophobia and anti Islam is emotion based. Often there is some strong elements of racism involved as well. Its not rational.

[کیش]

You ask majority of these White Atheists if they believed in Santa Clause when they were young and they will say yes. Ask them how it felt when they found out. They where all hurt and mad.

So they use their anger of finding out there is no Santa on the all mighty even when evidence points out to an intelligent creator.

[Sarbani]

You ask majority of these White Atheists if they believed in Santa Clause when they were young and they will say yes. Ask them how it felt when they found out. They where all hurt and mad.

This perfectly describes why Muslims don't want to accept that there is no God. They'll just get hurt and mad, so they look for poor excuses to rationalize their thinking.