Pat Buchanan on Why Sarbani and his Hank Thread are Retarded

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

so isnt that the other way around, when people have it rough they create a god to have something to belive in and thinking someone out there is watching and helping them? So atheism and theism are just two faces of the same coin?

In other words when people have it rough, they show humility, and see it as a way to gain direction and perspective in their lives.

Religion + 1 , Atheism 0

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Muslim logic:

Convert to Christianity --> European wannabe
Leave religion --> European wannabe
Convert to the Arabocentric religion Islam --> Following the righteous path

And this is A PRIME EXAMPLE of EXACTLY WHY, Third World Atheists are really driiven by an INferiority Complex.....INSTEAD of actually STUDYING the details about the thing they're against, THEY rely on Misonformation by European Orientalists to base their understanding of things.

Atheist uh...''Logic"


All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
(Prophet Muhammad's Final Sermon, Musnad Ahmad)

And this is basically evidence to why things like "Cult of Hank" are basically juvenile acts of lashing out mindlessly, it lacks any sense of depth of what religion really is about.

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[MENTION=18842]History of Pashtuns[/MENTION]

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Ad hominem, great rebuttal. You definitely addressed all my points and sure showed me

Also, you do realize that atheism isn't a European exclusive thing?



So the only reason people become atheist is out of laziness? Lol.

And what about the people that realize Islam is nonsense and convert to another religion?

Just keep telling yourself that you're a mindless robot incapable of morals and reasoning and that you need an alpha to tell you what to do without questioning him once.

Post a Video Which is basically a Straw-Man, claim criticisms that suggest Atheist motivations are Inferiority Complex Driven is an Ad-hominem.

Third World Atheist "Logic"

Upset that Islam does not conform with the norms of White Culture and prevents you from gaining acceptance? Leave Islam, claim it's "Nonsense" , gain acceptance from Europeans and a grand old pat on the back from "massah"

Third World Atheist "Logic".

"Need an Alpha to tell you what to do without questioning him once" Basically the The modus operandi of Third World Atheism when adopting it under the Mode of Eurocentric hegemony.

Talk about projection.


And this guy still thinks his Atheism has nothing to do with an inferiority complex about White-social and cultural hegemony? Is this for real?

[Sarbani]

Post a Video Which is basically a Straw-Man, claim criticisms that suggest Atheist motivations are Inferiority Complex Driven is an Ad-hominem.

You didn't explain how its a straw man, you just called it words like "juvenile" and "straw man" and then left it at that.

Upset that Islam does not conform with the norms of White Culture and prevents you from gaining acceptance? Leave Islam, claim it's "Nonsense" , gain acceptance from Europeans and a grand old pat on the back from "massah"

Islam does not conform to the modern world in general. Of course you believe that during that 7th century, everything was perfect and modern society is just a perversion of what it should be. A world where non-Muslims are forced to pay jizya, women are forced to cover their face, young girls can legally get married to old men, people get tried for sorcery, slavery is legal, people should get their hands cut off for stealing, etc.

"Need an Alpha to tell you what to do without questioning him once" Basically the The modus operandi of Third World Atheism when adopting it under the Mode of Eurocentric hegemony.

Since when is lacking a belief Eurocentric?

And this guy still thinks his Atheism has nothing to do with an inferiority complex about White-social and cultural hegemony? Is this for real?

Where is the assumption White people are remotely relevant to this even coming from? Its ironic cause your friend Barakzai started this thread by quoting a White man that follows the Jesus-cult (Christianity) just to undermine atheism.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

I never said that Islam is an Arabosupremacist religion, just that it is an Arabocentric religion. Reread my posts next time.

[Khostai]

In other words when people have it rough, they show humility, and see it as a way to gain direction and perspective in their lives.

Religion + 1 , Atheism 0

So you just admit that relligion is man made and nothing more than a coping mechanism to survive harsh reality?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

So you just admit that relligion is man made and nothing more than a coping mechanism to survive harsh reality?

Nothing we discussed in this topic had any reference to religion being man-made or not.

Please improve your reading comprehension.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You didn't explain how its a straw man, you just called it words like "juvenile" and "straw man" and then left it at that.

You didn't explain how it's an ad-hominem

Islam does not conform to the modern world in general. Of course you believe that during that 7th century, everything was perfect and modern society is just a perversion of what it should be.

This is an appeal to Novelty, which is a logical fallacy.

Fallacy: Appeal to Novelty

Appeal to Novelty is a fallacy that occurs when it is assumed that something is better or correct simply because it is new. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form

X is new.
Therefore X is correct or better.:

Since when is lacking a belief Eurocentric?

When clearly the cultural and social dynamic that enables it is Eurocentric.

Where is the assumption White people are remotely relevant to this even coming from? Its ironic cause your friend Barakzai started this thread by quoting a White man that follows the Jesus-cult (Christianity) just to undermine atheism.

It's the psychological profile; when Third Worlders have an inferiority complex it's usually because they feel BACKWARDS (refer to your point about MODERN society) , they feel a lacking, a deficiency...this relates to their comparing themselves to their peers or those who currently are at the helm of global influence and power dynamic. This is indelibly "White" in nature.

I never said that Islam is an Arabosupremacist religion, just that it is an Arabocentric religion. Reread my posts next time.

To-may-to, To-mah-to....even then, this reference is sufficient to show the claim as fallacious

Addendum: I found this online, while not authorative, it gives a good working definition; All of which presents a Thesis, falsified by the existing Islamic narrative..


The Wikipedia Knowledge Dump (WikiDumper.org): Arabocentrism

Arabocentrism or Arab chauvinism is the practice, conscious or otherwise, of placing emphasis on not simply "Middle Eastern" but more specifically "Arab" concerns, culture and values at the expense of those of other cultures (typically countered from other Middle-East cultures and European culture). Like its equivalent, Eurocentrism, it is an instance of ethnocentrism, perhaps especially relevant because of its alignment with or opposition to current and past real power structures in the world. It can be a less overt form of Arab supremacy

[Damir9000]

And this is A PRIME EXAMPLE of EXACTLY WHY, Third World Atheists are really driiven by an INferiority Complex.....INSTEAD of actually STUDYING the details about the thing they're against, THEY rely on Misonformation by European Orientalists to base their understanding of things.

Atheist uh...''Logic"

For me it was actually listening to Sheikh videos.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

For me it was actually listening to Sheikh videos.

So because some persons presentation of things you never bothered to do detailed investigation about it?
Interesting.

[Sarbani]

You didn't explain how it's an ad-hominem

You basically attacked the video by using childish tactics like name-calling without diving in to why it was wrong. Call it whatever you want.

This is an appeal to Novelty, which is a logical fallacy.

Modern standards are without a doubt superior to 7th century ones and no, I'm not simply stating that cause I believe modernism is inherently superior. I even gave examples regarding backwards laws of the past in my previous post such as slavery, etc.

When clearly the cultural and social dynamic that enables it is Eurocentric.

So its impossible to leave Islam without being a Euro panderer? If all non-Euro atheists have an inferiority complex towards Euros, then all those non-MENAs that convert to Islam have an inferiority complex towards MENAs.

Arabocentrism or Arab chauvinism is the practice, conscious or otherwise, of placing emphasis on not simply "Middle Eastern" but more specifically "Arab" concerns, culture and values at the expense of those of other cultures (typically countered from other Middle-East cultures and European culture). Like its equivalent, Eurocentrism, it is an instance of ethnocentrism, perhaps especially relevant because of its alignment with or opposition to current and past real power structures in the world. It can be a less overt form of Arab supremacy

Key word: can

Since you don't know the difference:

Arabosupremacism = Believing Arabs are an inherently superior people
Arabocentrism = Emphasis on Arabic culture/language

[Damir9000]

So because some persons presentation of things you never bothered to do detailed investigation about it?
Interesting.

lol

What kind of investigation do you want me to do?
Are you saying these Sheikhs are liars or misinformed?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

lol

What kind of investigation do you want me to do?
Are you saying these Sheikhs are liars or misinformed?

in Any academic field, regardless of the status, it's a standard practice to check their work, this is true in all sciences as well Humanties such as Law

did you check the work of these Sheikhs?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You basically attacked the video by using childish tactics like name-calling without diving in to why it was wrong. Call it whatever you want.

This response itself is an ad-hominem, and again this is a claim, not an explanation. The video is a straw-man because it lacks any anthropology of religion nor any underlying insight with regards to the philosophy of religion. A very profound and significant academic subject that has very rigorous foundations.

Modern standards are without a doubt superior to 7th century ones and no, I'm not simply stating that cause I believe modernism is inherently superior. I even gave examples regarding backwards laws of the past in my previous post such as slavery, etc.

Saying things like "without a doubt" doesn't mask Logical Fallacy. you haven't shown by any objective measures why this statement holds true. Therefore it's not simply a fact. Furthermore it's Circular Reasoning

Modern standards are superior ----> because I say so-----> I say so because =--- Modern Standards are superior.

So its impossible to leave Islam without being a Euro panderer? If all non-Euro atheists have an inferiority complex towards Euros, then all those non-MENAs that convert to Islam have an inferiority complex towards MENAs.

No, the same doesn't automatically apply, because the cultural and social conditions engendering either phenomena are distinctly different

Key word: can


Since you don't know the difference:

the "can" wouldn't be the keyword since it says . "can be a LESS overt form of Arab Supremacy"... this isn't gauging whether it's Arab Supremacy, this is gauging whether or less or more overt.

Arabosupremacism = Believing Arabs are an inherently superior people
Arabocentrism = Emphasis on Arabic culture/language

These are your definitions; however, They're faulty ones since the idea of "centrism" implies superiority. We need only look at the definition of Ethnocentrism, since Ethnocentrism is the Carrier set for all other forms of Ethnic-based Centrism, of which Arab-Centrism would be a subset

Since "Arab-centrism" is really a specific case of Ethnocentrism; then Arab-centrism would inherit it's properties, hence a more accurate definition would be as follows, simply replace Ethno-with Arab

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ethnocentrism

ethnocentrism

noun 1. Sociology. the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.

By the definition of Ethnocentrism it suffices to show that your claim is falsified by the Islamic narrative.

[Sarbani]

[MENTION=19435]Iblis_Efreetzai[/MENTION]

So in other words:

1. The video is wrong because its unsophisticated/childish/etc. and you can't actually argue against its content.

2. Laws and customs in the 7th century are superior to those in the 21st century.

3. 100% of non-White atheists leave their religion to kiss up to Whites.

4. Islam puts no emphasis on Arab culture/language.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

[MENTION=17856]Sarbani[/MENTION]

1.) The video is inaccurate because it fails to demonstrate any nuance that we can assess from the philosophy of religion For example, Mysticism or the Islamic equivalent, Sufism.

2.) I never commented either way. I merely said your argument is a logical fallacy. You're committing another logical fallacy, to assume that I'm arguing the opposite, An Appeal to Antiquity. Challenging the logical merits of a position does not mean supporting the opposite position. You committed what might be described as a Converse Error to suggest that.

3.) You very seldom have 100% of anything, nor did I give any percentage values. I merely gave an overall profile such that we can trace this trend back to certain attitudes that have less to do with reason and more to do with psychological concerns, hence why there's a tendency to grasp on to emotional affirmation like "The Cult of Hank" thing, rather than cogent responses to Islam. Sam Harris pulls this hat trick quite a bit, but he tries to package it with SUPERFICIAL appeals to reason, but completely lacks rigor.

In your case I am at least somewhat right, because you pulled the "Islam is wrong, because Modern" angle, defining what's "modern" in accord to what is prevalent within White cultural spheres. Which suggests a sense of inadequacy.

4.) If we take the historical narrative as accurate, Since Islam went against the prevailing cultural mores of the Arabs, then no it wouldn't. If you argue that it's "Arab culture" because it eventually became the predominant cultural and social vehicle among Arabs, then this is an Anarchonism (arguing something ad-hoc, after the fact). And it's easily falsiiable since it eventually became a predominant cultural and social vehicle of many cultures, and thus wouldn't be an exclusive property of Arabs. The point fails either way

The fact that the liturgical and legal language of Islam is Arabic can be explained by the notion of maintaining textual continuity and authenticity as a linga franca. Having a standardized language for certain types of communication is no different than when STEM textbooks written in English and people have to learn English to acquire accurately acquire information from it, because certain specialized terminology were developed in it. Surely this wouldn't be Anglocentrism.


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