Hanafi view on Music

[KGODB]

great come back, typical of the atheist to downplay his oppositions arguments when he has no argument. It is double when the atheist is a pashtun.

[Khostai]

If you want to be all grown up then speak with respect in your path to validating beliefs, grown ups don't resort to name calling, so don't give us your nonsense about discussing and debating Islam as though you are actually interested in learning or hearing anything other than what you want to hear, because if you were really interested in an open minded discussion you would put your pride to the side and be ask questions instead of regurgitating patronizing quotes to get your point across.

adult westerners gave you enlightenment? by kicking your ass back to the stone age and destroying the populations of three continents and nuking the crap out third world peoples, mass genocides of women and children for world dominance - what a ridiculous sense of enlightenment . By the way the world is much older than the industrial revolution.

You know the westerners who wrote the books of science and phylosophy are not the same people who did mass genocide, so I don't know why you always bring this up when some one mention how developed kafirs are?
Are you that jelous of them, so that you just have to mention the things that some of there people did?

[Khorosani]

You know the westerners who wrote the books of science and phylosophy are not the same people who did mass genocide, so I don't know why you always bring this up when some one mention how developed kafirs are?
Are you that jelous of them, so that you just have to mention the things that some of there people did?

among the most influential westerners in history that influenced people of our time is darwin, and there is a clear link between his theory of evolution and the eugenicists who were responsible for the holocaust. Not to mention karl marx was the father of the most destructive ideology in our times: communism. So western thought is responsible for the genocides we have seen today.

And even today, there are reports of scientists and psychologists being involved in the torture being carried out in guantanamo. This was reported in the guardian.

Nonetheless, the kuffar do not even take from their philosophers, they are only a follower of their whims and desires.

[Khostai]

among the most influential westerners in history that influenced people of our time is darwin, and there is a clear link between his theory of evolution and the eugenicists who were responsible for the holocaust. Not to mention karl marx was the father of the most destructive ideology in our times: communism. So western thought is responsible for the genocides we have seen today.

And even today, there are reports of scientists and psychologists being involved in the torture being carried out in guantanamo. This was reported in the guardian.

Nonetheless, the kuffar do not even take from their philosophers, they are only a follower of their whims and desires.

Who ever read the book of darwin evolution theory know that eugenics has nothing to do with it, European felt that they are supirior long befoe darwin and his evolution theory. Communism by Karls Marx mentions no where that a state should make concentration camps and kill its oposition, thats what people did it themselfs. Blaming those theory and form of economy is like blaming Islam for what some people do, like the suicide bombers and saing that is what Islam teaches.

[Manzareh]

You know the westerners who wrote the books of science and phylosophy are not the same people who did mass genocide, so I don't know why you always bring this up when some one mention how developed kafirs are?
Are you that jelous of them, so that you just have to mention the things that some of there people did?

When it comes to Muslims you are happy to label everyone as the same people, but when it comes to westerners then we have to divide into categories

[Manzareh]

A whole lotta nothing

You and Khostai are the end product of this. A dominated people that admire what is imposed on you lol.

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[Badlun]

You and Khostai are the end product of this. A dominated people that admire what is imposed on you lol.

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Do you believe in every word what he says being a colonizer?

Really there was not a single beggar, a single thief in the whole of India?

Do you think really the old and ancient education system based on Hinduism and Darse Nizami was better than English system?

Do you think Deoband was better than Aligarh or Islamia colleges or Lahore university?

What defects you find in the modern education system as compared to Madrassa system or the Hindu educational system before the British?

[Manzareh]

Do you believe in every word what he says being a colonizer?

Really there was not a single beggar, a single thief in the whole of India?

Do you think really the old and ancient education system based on Hinduism and Darse Nizami was better than English system?

Do you think Deoband was better than Aligarh or Islamia colleges or Lahore university?

What defects you find in the modern education system as compared to Madrassa system or the Hindu educational system before the British?

First of all, try not to twist words, it's from what he has seen, not that there isn't any beggars. Secondly your accusing him being a liar on what grounds? That you cannot comprehend the manner in which the likes of you have been dominated? The process he is describing is you. Tell me, if what your masters brought was so special and good then why the need of them colonising by force?

[Manzareh]

Badlun, as Mr.Macauley says: you have lost your self esteem, and the reasons for it are clearly stated aswel.

[Khostai]

When it comes to Muslims you are happy to label everyone as the same people, but when it comes to westerners then we have to divide into categories

Nope that is not true, please quate me where I said things like that????

[Khostai]

You and Khostai are the end product of this. A dominated people that admire what is imposed on you lol.

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since when was Afghanistan part of India when your daddy traveled there?

[Badlun]

First of all, try not to twist words, it's from what he has seen, not that there isn't any beggars. Secondly your accusing him being a liar on what grounds? That you cannot comprehend the manner in which the likes of you have been dominated? The process he is describing is you. Tell me, if what your masters brought was so special and good then why the need of them colonising by force?

Except the failed mutiny of 1857 , can you refer to any important resistance against British in India except minor failed tries like those of Sirajudaula, Tipu Sultan?

British left after about two centuries mainly because of WW 2. India maintained their governor general for few years and Pakistan their constitution till 1956.Both countries based all their institutions on British model and Westminster parliamentary democracy.

Are British today present in India or Pakistan to enforce their educational system that we have in schools, colleges and universities. Why after 1947 you continued with their system? Why you did not revert to Deoband and Hindu systems? Why Sir Syed prevailed and not Nanutwi ?

Are you not dominated by Arab culture by having their beard, clothes and life style as well as their retarded thinking in form of Wahabism and Salafism? Is it not a worse cultural invasion?

British gave modern education system but what Arabs have given you?

In the context of Pashtuns , these were British who discovered your own language Pashto and wrote the first books of grammar, history and Linguistics. When Jinah was delivering his speech in English in Peshawar, the British Governor General was translating it into Pashto.

Look at the Islamia College in Peshawar and then talk of British!

Self esteem is one thing and stubbornness and closing eyes from realities is another thing. What is your alternative to British system? show me and I will be impressed by your system and not British'.

[Manzareh]

Except the failed mutiny of 1857 , can you refer to any important resistance against British in India except minor failed tries like those of Sirajudaula, Tipu Sultan?

British left after about two centuries mainly because of WW 2. India maintained their governor general for few years and Pakistan their constitution till 1956.Both countries based all their institutions on British model and Westminster parliamentary democracy.

Are British today present in India or Pakistan to enforce their educational system that we have in schools, colleges and universities. Why after 1947 you continued with their system? Why you did not revert to Deoband and Hindu systems? Why Sir Syed prevailed and not Nanutwi ?

Are you not dominated by Arab culture by having their beard, clothes and life style as well as their retarded thinking in form of Wahabism and Salafism? Is it not a worse cultural invasion?

British gave modern education system but what Arabs have given you?

In the context of Pashtuns , these were British who discovered your own language Pashto and wrote the first books of grammar, history and Linguistics. When Jinah was delivering his speech in English in Peshawar, the British Governor General was translating it into Pashto.

Look at the Islamia College in Peshawar and then talk of British!

Self esteem is one thing and stubbornness and closing eyes from realities is another thing. What is your alternative to British system? show me and I will be impressed by your system and not British'.

Are you being serious? British were responsible for a holocaust, some historians say from 1857 to to 1867 10 Million Indians were killed, further more people died through endless famines throughout India which was a direct result of the British invasion. What are you saying the Indians saw a greater ethnicity and way of life and welcomed the British with open arms?? LOL you are a brainwashed machine

This isn't about which education system is better or not in the 21st century so stop deviating away. You are so naive that you lack the concept of what the picture is telling you, even when it is smacked into your face you still are oblivious to being an end product. The British could not conquer you unless they made you hate yourself and make you believe everything western is good and everything non-western is bad, you have absorbed this to such a level where you are ok with eating haram and have no objection of your daughter sexing outside of marriage - you are the living breathing conclusion to what Lord Macauley wanted in his writing - if in doubt read again till it gets into your head.

[Badlun]

Are you being serious? British were responsible for a holocaust, some historians say from 1857 to to 1867 10 Million Indians were killed, further more people died through endless famines throughout India which was a direct result of the British invasion. What are you saying the Indians saw a greater ethnicity and way of life and welcomed the British with open arms?? LOL you are a brainwashed machine

This isn't about which education system is better or not in the 21st century so stop deviating away. You are so naive that you lack the concept of what the picture is telling you, even when it is smacked into your face you still are oblivious to being an end product. The British could not conquer you unless they made you hate yourself and make you believe everything western is good and everything non-western is bad, you have absorbed this to such a level where you are ok with eating haram and have no objection of your daughter sexing outside of marriage - you are the living breathing conclusion to what Lord Macauley wanted in his writing - if in doubt read again till it gets into your head.

Come on man with arguments not with personal attacks. Answer to my questions one by one please

1. What is your alternative to British system so that I accept it and no more believe in British system? You brainwash me so that I forget the impressions taken from the west.
2. Which historian said that 10 million people were killed by British? Famine is a natural disaster nothing to do with British or others. You can blame nature or God but not rulers for it directly.
3. Why India continued with British system after British left?If it was a cultural invasion as the letter in picture says then why Indians did not revert to the Pre-British practices?
4. Do you believe that Arab also invaded us culturally and ideologically? Is it good or bad invasion?

[Manzareh]

Come on man with arguments not with personal attacks. Answer to my questions one by one please

1. What is your alternative to British system so that I accept it and no more believe in British system? You brainwash me so that I forget the impressions taken from the west.
2. Which historian said that 10 million people were killed by British? Famine is a natural disaster nothing to do with British or others. You can blame nature or God but not rulers for it directly.
3. Why India continued with British system after British left?If it was a cultural invasion as the letter in picture says then why Indians did not revert to the Pre-British practices?
4. Do you believe that Arab also invaded us culturally and ideologically? Is it good or bad invasion?

1. What do you mean by British system? what difficulty were the people of India in that they needed to be invaded and have a system change?

2. An Indian historian - Amaresh Misra, a writer and historian based in Mumbai - i'm guessing you've never heard of him since all your sources are fed to you from a single pot on the other side of the fence.

3. Brits first reached Indian shores on 1608 they ruled up to 1947 do you have any idea how long that is? how could children revert back to something 300 years before they were even born, dont ask silly questions.

4. Arabs didnt spread culture, they spread Religion - two entirely different things.

Now answer my question.

Since it was a part of the 'British system' to invade people, in your mind what was the motive for Britain and other western colonizers at the time such as Portuguese and French for going into India? what was their objective? what is your justification, you seem to be really proud of it.