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  • #16
    Some more shocking ahadith from the same site

    Is female genital mutilation ("woman circumcision") recommended in Islam?

    Hadith reported by Umm 'Atiyyah: "A woman used to perform circumcision in Madinah. The Prophet (s.a.w.) said to her: 'When you circumcise, do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.'" (Related by Abu Dawud & al-Bayhaq) (This hadith is considered weak by some authorities and valid by others).
    “When two circumcised parts unite then bathing becomes obligatory.” (Sahih, reported by Ahmad and Al-Baihaqee)

    This hadith is considered strong and clearly implies that Muslims who have intercourse, both men and women, should be circumcised. In reality, circumcision is not mentioned in the Quran, neither for the man and surely not for the woman, and is therefore not part of Islam.
    Is it possible to tamper with the Quran according to the hadiths?
    What does traditionnal Islam have to say concerning the Hadiths which claim an entire verse is not only missing from the Quran but lost forever?
    "The parchment on which the verse about stoning to death for adultery was written, was eaten and abrogated by a goat." (Ibn Maajah, 36/1944; Hanbal, 3/61; 5/131, 132, 183; 6/269)

    Are Women, horses and homes bad omen?
    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, number 188:
    Sahih Al Bukhari 76/5 "Bad omen is in the woman, the horse and the home."

    Is Prayer nullified by women, monkeys and black dogs?
    Sahih Bukhari 8/102 and Hanbel 4/86:
    "If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified."

    Apparently pigs don’t nullify the prayer, too bad women do…

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Badlun View Post
      I just copied this hadith from the site

      Hadiths: The Shame Of Islam - islamrevolution.org

      Stoning to death the female monkey?
      Narrated by ‘Amru bin Maimun: "During the pre-Islamic period of ignorance I (Muhammad) saw a female monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I (Muhammad) too, stoned it along with them."

      and wanted to know whether such kind of hadith is false or true !!!
      It does not matter where you got it from. It shows me your competence. This could be about any human being and You have to ask questions here. 1. How do animals have illegal sexual intercourse?
      2. How did the human in the story find out about such a thing, did the monkeys know the human language to convey the crime of the female to the human or vise versa?
      3. Did the monkeys have a trial to convict the female, were there monkey witnesses?
      4. What happened to the male monkey that committed this to the female monkey, was that monkey also stoned?
      5. Do monkey's use stones as weapons?

      Its like asking if animals can talk.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        It does not matter where you got it from. It shows me your competence. This could be about any human being and You have to ask questions here. 1. How do animals have illegal sexual intercourse?
        2. How did the human in the story find out about such a thing, did the monkeys know the human language to convey the crime of the female to the human or vise versa?
        3. Did the monkeys have a trial to convict the female, were there monkey witnesses?
        4. What happened to the male monkey that committed this to the female monkey, was that monkey also stoned?
        5. Do monkey's use stones as weapons?

        Its like asking if animals can talk.
        This is why title of this thread is Shocking Hadith......I understand what you mean but my purpose was that how such a non sense thing can be termed as hadith. I do not agree with what this hadith conveys, my question is why such absurd words are called Hadith!!!!!!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Badlun View Post
          I believe in those hadith which are not contradictory to Quran, reason, common sense and mainly concerned with faith, worship and morality (religion) not Arab culture, dress, arts, politics, society, economy etc.

          I consider the Prophet Muhammad to be a great personality, an Arab leader and a successful person. As a prophet I believe him totally but as a person or leader I may disagree with him. Or the words attributed to him are false.

          In this thread I would like to seek views and comments of the dear friends on some hadith which if they believe the hadith then may explain how can they defend them and if they do not believe in such hadith to be a true one then may declare that they consider it a false hadith in spite of the fact that the same may be mentioned in the so called sihahe sitta(authentic 6 books of the hadith) or any other book where the hadith was termed as authentic.

          I may satrt from some of the following hadith for comments

          Muhammad and torture, is it recommended to drink urine?
          Bukhari, Volume 4 Number 261:
          'Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk.' Allah's Apostle said, 'I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.' So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.'
          so the prophet ordered these murderers of an innocent human being to die and this is somehow a crazy hadith? what am i missing here?
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #20
            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
            so the prophet ordered these murderers of an innocent human being to die and this is somehow a crazy hadith? what am i missing here?
            I am not bothered by the punishment... Im more perplexed about dipping flies into ones drink and drinking camels urine
            Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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            • #21
              Originally posted by Badlun View Post
              I just copied this hadith from the site

              Hadiths: The Shame Of Islam - islamrevolution.org

              Stoning to death the female monkey?
              Narrated by ‘Amru bin Maimun: "During the pre-Islamic period of ignorance I (Muhammad) saw a female monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I (Muhammad) too, stoned it along with them."

              and wanted to know whether such kind of hadith is false or true !!!
              assuming the monkeys were stoning the other monkey for pre-marital sex ( the idea is stupid) how did the observer who subsequently joined in the stoning know the reason ???? did he speak monkey lmao!!!!1
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              • #22
                There are loads of stupid hadith... not to mention quranic verses... everything from the sun prostating before Gods throne at night (umm the sun goes in an orbit and where its night one place its day in another) to not knowing whats in the womb... ahem ahem... USS can identify the sex of the baby... not to mention hadith which says angels ask God for the sex of the child... ummm thats determined at conception not at day 40 as per the hadith... the list goes on
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                • #23
                  Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256:
                  Narrated Anas bin Malik:
                  Allah's Apostle said, 'You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.'

                  Anyways,

                  People Still have ants in their pants about the Prophet's marriage to Aisha, and having sex with captured women? Child marriage was common up until a hundred years ago.

                  Aisha also inherited the title "Mother of the believers." she wasn't suffering or complaining, nor crying for the blind, deaf and dumb to save her and denigrate her blessed status. Aisha was a tad bit jealous of the Prophets other wives; she wanted him to spend more time with her. How is that being forced?
                  Last edited by کیش; 03-23-2013, 01:15 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by کیش View Post
                    Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256:
                    Narrated Anas bin Malik:
                    Allah's Apostle said, 'You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.'

                    Anyways,

                    People Still have ants in their pants about the Prophet's marriage to Aisha, and having sex with captured women? Child marriage was common up until a hundred years ago.

                    Aisha also inherited the title "Mother of the believers." she wasn't suffering or complaining, nor crying for the blind, deaf and dumb to save her and denigrate her blessed status. Aisha was a tad bit jealous of the Prophets other wives; she wanted him to spend more time with her. How is that being forced?
                    Yea ppl are still bothered by paedophillia hmmmm wonder why that is!!! I guess sex with slaves is ok in your book ... It's not just 1400 hrs ago its the fact that such an act is acceptable now according to islam not that the person who did it is long dead... Keep believing in money's who stone monkeys and ppl who can speak monkey and other stupid things ....
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                    • #25
                      She was what would now be called Groomed.. When sex with an old man is all she had known that's normal for her ... She didnt consent to her marriage age hardly knew what was going on and a 9 yr old with a 50 something ... Vomit... Perhaps you can follow sunnah and give your daughter when you have one to ask of that age when she is 9
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                      • #26
                        ^LOL and you say that I am harsh :P

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                          Yea ppl are still bothered by paedophillia hmmmm wonder why that is!!! I guess sex with slaves is ok in your book ... It's not just 1400 hrs ago its the fact that such an act is acceptable now according to islam not that the person who did it is long dead... Keep believing in money's who stone monkeys and ppl who can speak monkey and other stupid things ....
                          Lol bro, you're heavily bias towards current influences. I'm sure if the world is still around in a hundred years, people will "be bothered" with the idea of marriage between a male and female. And people beget children outside of marriage, why would anyone want to tie themselves to a single person? Sounds barbaric and backwards. Also, marriage is slowly reserved for the homo's.

                          I also remember you were a Shia. Now your flip-flopping your believes likes a cheeseburger.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                            ^LOL and you say that I am harsh :P
                            Smh, my son. the only harsh statements you have ever made was the fact that you barely know the basics to Islam.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by کیش View Post
                              Lol bro, you're heavily bias towards current influences. I'm sure if the world is still around in a hundred years, people will "be bothered" with the idea of marriage between a male and female. And people beget children outside of marriage, why would anyone want to tie themselves to a single person? Sounds barbaric and backwards. Also, marriage is slowly reserved for the homo's.

                              I also remember you were a Shia. Now your flip-flopping your believes likes a cheeseburger.
                              Bear baiting was considered normal .. put your money where your mouth is and get your 9 yr old female relations married to a 50 plus male.. your still that retarded you dont see the point Im making... aside from how disgusting the act WAS its still allowed by SHARIAH... therefore its still revolting...
                              Frater aliquis in fide nec fratrem humanitatis


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                              • #30
                                also explain how that companion spoke monkey? lol and how th sun prostates before Gods Throne at night lmao... hadith its like a comedy... aside from the stupidity it carries dangerous messages including allowing perverts to "marry" kiddies
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