Saudi preacher gets fine and short jail term for raping and killing daughter

[DaZahroJaam.]

chickens and birds walk nearby "poo" and eat insects too.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Really??? In Pashtun lands they will reject an Arab but accept an islamophobe like you and a commie w-hore who bangs mister Andersen???? Shut your cockroach eating mouth and post the messages you claimed exist about me refusing a debate with that idiot friend of yours.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.....Listen up Half Arab boy who thinks he's an Afghan....please please please stop with the long essays of insults it makes you look stupid.

Be a good Arabay and herd your camels in Yemen.....I hear lizard meat is very tasty, what seasoning do you use?



You tell us Pork is Haram and dirty yet you eat lizards who eat flies who live on sitting on poo LOL!

Ohhhhh heavens bestow upon us, an Arab calls another a drug pusher, its not like you smuggle prostitutes into your harems and rape little children daily in your desert tents.

Fix your own house....don't mess with people you know nothing about, the other day I got off the phone speaking to a very influential politician from Pakhtunkhwa......while you yap all day trying to sell your "Sharia Imperial goals" with a bit of garlic and butter coating I am not someone you just insult like that, stick to insulting the Dr Barakzai guy, because that is all your worth......I know for a fact, where ever you go in Afghanistan/Pakhtunkhwa, they will refer to you as a interfering little Arab parasite no matter who your father or granfather is.

keep your Arab interests to your folk of goats in the Middle East...nobody is interested.

[Admin Khan]

Soldat_Amir, provide evidence for your claims. False allegations are NOT tolerated here.

[Manzareh]

Asalamualaikum Soldat, whats your new identity now?

[Toramana]

Asalamualaikum Soldat, whats your new identity now?

He is a Pashtun, Mr. wanna be Arab.

[Toramana]

Really??? In Pashtun lands they will reject an Arab but accept an islamophobe like you and a commie w-hore who bangs mister Andersen???? Shut your cockroach eating mouth and post the messages you claimed exist about me refusing a debate with that idiot friend of yours.

Yes, Barakzai Mullah Saib --- Peaceful Arabs are welcome but terror-minded Arabs like yourself are caught on the first sight and handed to authorities for some good water-boarding to suck the terror out of them.

[Manzareh]

He is a Pashtun, Mr. wanna be Arab.

Mr.Asskisser, he's a grown man that can speak for himself.

[Toramana]

Mr.Asskisser, he's a grown man that can speak for himself.

My little Wahabi cockroach I know that---PS: Do something about that sadist misogynistic mindset of yours before it eats you up---

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yes, Barakzai Mullah Saib --- Peaceful Arabs are welcome but terror-minded Arabs like yourself are caught on the first sight and handed to authorities for some good water-boarding to suck the terror out of them.

Niiiiice Atheist ikhwani quote unquote emphasized sufi master - You just used Arab as an insult and yet claim to be humanistic. Keep doing terrarraay - the noise and written diarrhea is making my points for all to see.

By the way - my challenge stands. Go to Spin Boldak - go to Wana - go to even a village outside of liberal Peshawar or on the outskirts of Kabul - go to Kandahar and take Miss Andersen and Soldat with you. Then do two things:

1) Read all of Soldat's commentaries in Pashto on a loud speaker including his insult of Islamic Dietary laws above. Please do so right after Jumaa lmaanza.
2) Make sure Mr. Andersen accompanies Miss Farhat Taj Andersen, and make sure their socialist/marxist ideologies are announced and then read all of her works publicly (preferably in Salarzai country of Bajaur since she claims "resources" there). Please also make sure to not pull a Lawrence of Arabia and try to disguise Mr. Andersen - rather he and his wife should wear their usual attire as they do in the Netherlands.

Remember, all of this has to be done without armed gaurds accompanying you.

See who is more welcome - a wahabi Arab or you clowns. I predict we would see three former marxists turned capitalists turned sufis all hung high in the gallows LOOOOOLLLLLLL with the hypoxia induced diarrhea trail running down their legs.

The only terrorist here is you. You are a terror for Canadian Caucasians who are dying for your struggle while you sit comfy in a little nook in Toronto eating biryaani

[Toramana]

Niiiiice Atheist ikhwani quote unquote emphasized sufi master - You just used Arab as an insult and yet claim to be humanistic. Keep doing terrarraay - the noise and written diarrhea is making my points for all to see.

By the way - my challenge stands. Go to Spin Boldak - go to Wana - go to even a village outside of liberal Peshawar or on the outskirts of Kabul - go to Kandahar and take Miss Andersen and Soldat with you. Then do two things:

1) Read all of Soldat's commentaries in Pashto on a loud speaker including his insult of Islamic Dietary laws above. Please do so right after Jumaa lmaanza.
2) Make sure Mr. Andersen accompanies Miss Farhat Taj Andersen, and make sure their socialist/marxist ideologies are announced and then read all of her works publicly (preferably in Salarzai country of Bajaur since she claims "resources" there). Please also make sure to not pull a Lawrence of Arabia and try to disguise Mr. Andersen - rather he and his wife should wear their usual attire as they do in the Netherlands.

Remember, all of this has to be done without armed gaurds accompanying you.

See who is more welcome - a wahabi Arab or you clowns. I predict we would see three former marxists turned capitalists turned sufis all hung high in the gallows LOOOOOLLLLLLL with the hypoxia induced diarrhea trail running down their legs.

The only terrorist here is you. You are a terror for Canadian Caucasians who are dying for your struggle while you sit comfy in a little nook in Toronto eating biryaani

Barakzai Mulllah Saib, there is a difference between you and Miss Anderson i.e. she can take risk for what she stands for ---you on the other hand are an explosive mix of hypocrisy and fanaticism---As they say in Pashto like a crow you eat s*h*i*t" and then shake your beak in disgust---live in the West yet consider what surrounds you infidelity and worth loathing at..... but the greed and love for comforts isn't letting you suffer for your convictions and you would never send your kid to be a suicide bomber nor would immigrate to your Akhwani-Wahabi kingdom of Kandahar ---rather want poor Pashtun kids to die for your mental jehadi lust---

Brother Barakzai, I should stop there and not further expose you.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Ha Ha Ha Ha.....Listen up....blah blah blah ...brain fart ...mental flatulence ....goz mekonum ...go bekhorum

What sort of histrionic prattle is this? You''re not even comprehensible. What does eating lizards have to do with me or Islam t that? I don't recall Islam ever sanctioned such diets so this is irrelevant. I won't even dignify such tripe with a rebuttal. Don't worry about me Soldat; I guarantee you I'll be fine; My dad is n Afghan National; which means he has citizenship in Afghanistan. He's from a very revered Tribe in Afghanistan. I seriously doubt that I'd have any issue.

YOU ON THE OTHER HAND- What you should be worrying about is yourself; Not only are you in allegiance with the Russian imperialists who committed open genocide on Afghans. You are considered a blasphemer and deviant. I highly doubt you'd be accepted anywhere in Afghanistan without seriously lying about your beliefs and identity. Most of all you're NOT EVEN Afghan; your passport says PAKISTAN on it; you're from an area which is under the territory of PAKISTAN, you are in conclusion like your curry soaked friend Toramana a Pakistani.

The fact that Russians and Serbs come to your support more than Afghans; is evidence which of one of us between you and I has to worry about who or what.

[Niazi]

I read that he got lightly because of Hadith Arabism at iits best. Lol

[tor_khan]

Reminder

Salaam.

Typically, I have been busy with other things and I may have missed something so perhaps someone can shed light on the various communiques allegedly purported to have happened here (see the block quotes I've included).

For my part, I had dipped in and out of this thread when it was first posted up especially when some of the language and the tones used here was reported by one of our respected Members. Whether another Member of the Moderating Team made any attempts to mediate via the PM system is probably known to those involved, but I made the decision to allow the thread to run its course especially when we got to the the point that Barakzai/Karachi appeared to have reached peace. I may have been right/wrong on this point.

That said, whilst it is clear that we have veered way off topic and this thread has now become an ideological battleground, there is some value in trying to clarify what is being said. Admin Khan has already asked Soldat to furnish his evidence. I think this is wise, and fairly standard.

As a general posting rule, we should try to stick to the facts and not let our emotional positions dictate our every response.

Dr BarakzaiAbdali who can be anybody behind a computer, is a apologist for Arab interests...He is also a staunch supporter of Taliban while working in US of A....which I doubt....Farhat Taj, the other day I spoke too, told me how this coward refused to meet up in Pakhtunkhwa for a debate over his Cyber-base-less claims over her work.

He is only good acting like an intellectual with his English writing skills on Pashtunforums, other than that hes nothing more than a Khaki Pakistani supporter LOL.

Saudis are one of the most racist people in the world, yet people like DrBarakzaIAbdali refuse to acknowledge this, even though non-Arabs in Saudi are treated and considered as Mushkreen.

Obviously your deluded faith turns you into a zombie and forces you with lack of any form of critical thinking.

The Mullah raped a child, his own child, he killed her over the fear she is no longer a Virgin, these Wahabists and Arab Muslims are obcessed with the private parts of women being intact, they ban women from driving because they fear they will reduce population of virgins..............................Will we see a single Muslim out there protest against this cleric?????

Ohhhh nooooooo...........It will never happen!

Miss Anderson is lying to you and I can prove it you sheep. Ask her to post her supposed nonexistent communications with me - email and all. Or ask her to send them your way and you can do it for Miss ANDERSEN since she is getting busy with Mr Andersen of the nonexistent Andersenzai clan of the bangash tribe. I have never communicated with that filthy murderous woman. She's just all hot and bothered that folks like Clive stafford Smith have proven her baseless low sample size data as unreliable and ambiguous as did the huffIngton post - the former conclusively rebutted her idiotic claim that no civilians were rendered casualities.

Also, lets talk real simply about why this clowness doesnt warrant a public forum. Lets also analyze her claim in a bit more detail. So time and time again this lady claims she has "sources" and "ears on the ground" and that in hidden corners of Wana market she can hear whispers longing for her name and backing her claims. To that end, Miss Andersen claimed, in a now infamous article of hers, that the leader of the Salarzai Laskhgaar was killed by the Taliban and ISI nexus. Lets pause here to consider her claim:
Point 1) Boiled down to simply: I Miss Andersen have solid sources and I am bringing you the public, the utmost truth and have been doing so!

So then, that very leader of the laskgaar writes The News and provides his mobile number and derides her for making his far flung family members think he was dead. Basically, he made her look like a propagandist fool and proved that her "sources" are idiotic. Here is his commentary:

It is indeed shocking to know through an article which appeared in your newspaper on Sept 27 titled “The Taliban and the Salarzais” by Farhat Taj that I am dead and that the ISI is responsible for my killing. It is to bring to the notice of all that I am very much alive and can be contacted on telephone no 0300-7044755. It is highly regrettable that the news of someone’s death is published without verification. The writer must apologise for the trauma caused to my family and well-wishers.


Malik Munasib Khan
Spokesman, Salarzais Lashkar
Bajaur Agency

Point 2) Her source then turns out to be, PER HER, an ISI agent:

"Now coming to the letter of Malik Munasib Khan. As can bee seen in my article, the information about him was communicated to me via phone by the Salarzai leaders. I was also given two other names who they said were killed along with Mulik Munasib. I clearly remember all these names. I did not mention their names in my article because I was told they were not leaders of the lashkar. The problem is that I am now back in Norway and cannot go to the Salarzai leaders to see whether this news was a misunderstanding or mistake. The Salarzai leaders complain that their phones are being taped by the ISI and they cannot talk anything about the article on phone. So I have no option to wait until the leaders are confident enough talk on phone."
Yahoo! Groups

Meaning, She on the one hand claims that her information is ground breaking, authentic, and reliable and shows the true Pashtun character, yet on the other hand she complains of ISI feeds cloudying the waters. So which is it??? Is her information reliable or is it ISI filtered????

She basically defeats her own self with this sheer display of incompetence! One need not devote even a millsecond of though to her propaganda.

If she wants to debate, the answer is simple. She doesnt even need to waste her time drawing up a defense of her illiterate jahil meanderings. She should just take a video cam, go to Kandahar, Wana, Quetta and preferably into the village. Then, she should stand there with her husband Mr. Andersen and state all the things she believes and try to see what the villagers think of her marriage to Mr. Andersen as well as her logic regarding war against Pashtuns. Mr. Andersen should be wearing his native clothes etc. She can then do an oral recitation over the loud speaker of her articles and see how she fares ! lol.

So let's see my supposed communication with your busom buddy. Otherwise keep quiet and press those communist lips of yours against lavanays rectum and deeply inhale since you appear to thrive on imbibing and exhaling pure bull**** in your writing, like the stuff she feeds you - and like you, he is full of it.

So what we are about to prove on this thread is that Miss Taj Andersen is a completely dishonest charlatan. The challenge is rather simple - provide the documentation/evidence of our interaction. She surely must have an inbox and a sent box where she has stored this information electronically. Its really very simple too if she claims the interactions were done here as she merely has to provide Admin Khan and/or Tor Khan her sn and find out if her and I ever exchanged messages of any sort. To be fair though, this is Soldat and not her making the claim indirectly, and this is the same Soldat who claims to have fought for Russian intelligence, M16, and the ANA and killed more enemies than Seal Team 6... so I win either way as either it turns out Miss Andersen is now completely unreliable if she actually claimed she ever communicated with me or Soldat is actually a massive liar.

Lol. Soldat, I didnt even need to lift a finger - you set your own rat trap and wandered into it.

So now, Soldat are you ready to admit either you or Miss Andersen is blatantly dishonest?

I for one am willing to work with moderators to validate my claims.

How are your militant atheistic colleagues on here going to cope with the fact that there will be DEFINITIVE documented proof on this forum now to show you are a complete conjurer of bull**** and utterly unreliable?

[کیش]

The fact that the Saudi family changed the name from Arabia to "Saudi Arabia," is a clear cut example of the embarrassing idiosyncrasies of today's Muslims.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Barakzai Mulllah Saib, there is a difference between you and Miss Anderson i.e. she can take risk for what she stands for ---


You mean by generating faulty data and then claiming that doyens like Peter Bergen and other folks like Stafford Smith are somehow also ISI pawns? What's Miss Andersen risking? Her reputation as a generator of propaganda that initially started out with this ludicrous gestapoish statement:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...2-1-2010_pg3_5
I would challenge both the US and Pakistani media to provide verifiable evidence of civilian ‘casualties’ because of drone attacks on Waziristan, i.e. names of the people killed, names of their villages, dates and locations of the strikes and, above all, the methodology of the information that they collected. If they can’t meet the challenge, I would request them to stop throwing around fabricated figures of ‘civilian casualties’ that confuse people around the world and provide propaganda material to the pro-Taliban and al Qaeda forces in the politics and media of Pakistan.

and looked like a chicken with her head off when this came out

http://pulsemedia.org/2011/11/12/oba...im/#more-34167

And instead of acknowledging that the challenge had been met - your rag tag bunch of lying spineless poisonous marxists cum capitalists overnight (like Miss Andersen) decided to malign Mr. Stafford Smith as an agent of Imran Khan LOOOOOL. Your usual antics of trying to label all and any opposers as ISI agents or ikhwanis was unavailable since a white guy was involved so you decided to round about link him to Khan's wife Goldsmith and failed.


you on the other hand are an explosive mix of hypocrisy and fanaticism---


Really how so? Find me a statement or two here on PF where I malign the Americans, their values, their way of life, their culture, their advancements, many of their admirable traits etc. Im not talking about analysis like Islamophobic regions and demonstrations, Im talking about you supplying a single quote where I malign the American way of life and say that it should not be accessible to Muslims, Afghans, Pashtuns, Slavs, Afrikaaners, etc.


As they say in Pashto like a crow you eat s*h*i*t" and then shake your beak in disgust


Hmmmm, the only crow eating dung is the one in Canada named Toramana. After all, you and your ilk opposed the Americans and their allies when they aided indigenous movements in the 1980s under the shelter and shadow of the Red Menace in Moscow - and now suddenly you've abandoned the Red Banner for green backs.

The Second level of hypocrasy is that you endanger and terrorize the citizens of these adopted countries by A) lying to them about the indigenous makeup and ideologies of the man on the ground and B) Sending them off to die for your cause. Thats rank hypocrasy that smells like a giant horse dung paddy.

Fanaticism??? You mean like the type where you use foreign militaries to your own end to basically pursue some nonsensical Quixotic quest in an effort to enforce foreign values on a people, but are too cowardly to fight your own fight against the other side's fanatics??? Oh but wait... islam is a foreign ideology and marxism and secular capitalism are indigenous LOOOOOLLLL


---live in the West yet consider what surrounds you infidelity and worth loathing at


Furnish proof, as I have never said such. My arguments viewed by SiiNii and others here clearly state that for an autonomous society to move forward it must be independent and that interventionalism results in blowback.

My stance was, is, and will always be that Afghans and any other peoples in the world (Latinos) can be secular atheists, communists, zoroastrian, shariat law makers, secular capitalists or whatever they please .

Everyone has to earn their own keep on a personal level, on a societal level, and on a national level.

Unlike you, prosperous people and prosperous nations do not look to handouts and foreigners to build up what they desire.


..... but the greed and love for comforts isn't letting you suffer for your convictions and you would never send your kid to be a suicide bomber


Of course not - and I never advocated they do so either. I have consistently said that those folks over there that do choose that path are doing it as a result of interventionalism and massive assymetry that is bought to their doorstep by leeches and slugs like you that leave a slime trail all over the world forcing others to do their bidding. If they choose to not do so, more power to them.


nor would immigrate to your Akhwani-Wahabi kingdom of Kandahar ---


Kandahar is a diverse city made up of sunnis, sufis, some shiite populations, some baluch, some others. You ought to think twice about labeling it as an akhwani kingdom. What they are though are beautiful people of the heartland with their own set of values and beliefs that ought to be left alone to do as they wish.

My sincere hope is that one day that city, that you just insulted in the worst terms becomes a capital of an autonomous and independent peoples.


rather want poor Pashtun kids to die for your mental jehadi lust---

I have no lust for anything except to see the nonelites of the world understand that they are being used and abused in a game that is being played to disenfranchize them of their autonomy. From America to France to Afghanistan to Africa, the whole world is the playground of these sick psychopaths that you are so fond of - intervening abroad and creating enemies who clearly document that their gripe relates to interventionalism. Doyens of insurgency analysis like Scheuer have proven this with massive piles of evidence.

Comrade walker, they are not dying for me - they are dying because you are sitting on a chair cushion in canada warming it up while sending poor Canadians and Americans to kill those poor Pashtun kids because you fed Kite Runner style lies into their head. Instead of you and Soldat doing your own bidding and forming a nerd version of Seal Team 6 to take on the Quetta Shura and kill your adversaries - tis you that are instigating what Matthew Hoh describes below:


History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets.
So we create a government that rewards one side and excludes the other. So there are cracks in the political order we created. This gets much worse in 2005 or 2006, when we decided extend the government’s power into southern and eastern Pashtun areas. At the same time, various elements of the Taliban and other insurgent factions had strengthened and returned into parts of Afghanistan.The push went badly, since villagers rebelled, turning to the Taliban to get rid of the outsiders. And so the cycle began. We add more troops, which strengthens the Taliban and weakens support for the government. Suicide attacks, IEDs, military and civilian dead or wounded—all rise commensuratelywith eachincrease in foreign troop or Afghan government presence. We misunderstand many ofthecauses of support for the Taliban. They didn’t wear sandwich boards or hand out pamphlets to win people. They are the Pashtuns. Most don’t want to rule the country. They just want to get rid of the occupiers.

You on the other hand are hoisting your atheist ikhwani interventionalist lusts all over the innocent peoples of the world from Canada to America to Afghanistan. You should feel some shame for this, claiming to be a humanist but viewing the lives of Pashtuns and Canadians as fodder for your whims.

Brother Barakzai, I should stop there and not further expose you.

My writing here is open source. You have access to every word I have ever writ thanks to Admin Khan's design of the website to enable you to arrange all my posts in chronological order. Have at it.