Illuminated Muslims

[کیش]

You also claim to have knowledge of god's metaphors when he said no one knows it's true meanings but god.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It's clear to see what God would make a metaphor by the things of nature doesn't take much to figure that out.

Unless you're suggesting God wrote a bunch of crap in the Book version and just happened to make reality contradict it

[Afghanistan2010]

If you were truthfull,you would have survived and every 100 year your beliefs would have been renewed,instead you tried to oppresse people and tried to hijack islam and muslim beliefs.
Mutzazilahs failed,failed in a way no one fails except the enemies of Allah and his beloved Messenger (pbuh).

Who himself said (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Adam was created from clay....these are his very pure words and there is nothing else to understand under these words than Adam (a.s) was created from clay.

You try to hijack islam with your deviant beliefs,under the cover of modernism,science and innovations,you and your Muttzeals are the face of deviationism,that is why you ended rotten as you are.


You claim every guy who did something in islam was a muttzeal,loooooool


You will claim even Salahund Al Ayoubi (rah) was a Mutazili haha.

[Afghanistan2010]

In order to understand the connection, we need consider that the founder of the Salafi movement was a Jamal ud Din al Afghani, the Grand Master of the Egyptian Freemasons, who referred to each other as the Rasa’il ikhwan as-safa’ wa khillan al-wafa (Rafaat, Freemasonry in Egypt)

You remind me of the Iranian,they claim jamaludin was an iranian hahahaha and you claim he was Muttzeal,while others claim he was an agent of the British government,and others claim he is the founder of wahabism or modern salafism lool.

hahahaaaaaaaaaaaahaha

[RevolutionThroughReason]

If you were truthfull,you would have survived and every 100 year your beliefs would have been renewed,instead you tried to oppresse people and tried to hijack islam and muslim beliefs.
Mutzazilahs failed,failed in a way no one fails except the enemies of Allah and his beloved Messenger (pbuh).

Who himself said (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Adam was created from clay....these are his very pure words and there is nothing else to understand under these words than Adam (a.s) was created from clay.

You try to hijack islam with your deviant beliefs,under the cover of modernism,science and innovations,you and your Muttzeals are the face of deviationism,that is why you ended rotten as you are.


You claim every guy who did something in islam was a muttzeal,loooooool


You will claim even Salahund Al Ayoubi (rah) was a Mutazili haha.

renewed every 100 years? Who says we weren't? There have always been Mu'tazlah Anyone who promotes rationality and seeks practical and theoretical knowledge over blind belief is a Mu'tazilah. anyone who can look at problems and analyze them to determine the merits and propensities rather than accepting something on doctrine is a Mu'tazilah. Anyone who emphasizes seeking evidence from nature and the world around them is a Mu'tazilah. The Mu'tazilah have been around for centuries, we don't need to be loudmouths to say were here. We are here always.

Your Deoband Cult was only invented in 1800, 1200 years after the Mu'tazilah were ruling the entire civilized world. You came over a millenia too late. You have not even had 200 years of existence never mind being around every 100 years to renew yourselves.You would not exist unless the Kafir Mongolians did not destroy the great libraries of Baghdad, KHwarzem Mashhad, and Tus; you would have remained just a bunch of idiotic nutcases in India. You only exist because of the Kufar and you have been agents and servants of Infidels ever since you came.

and what have you produced? only two things ....Child Molestors like Mullah Sandwich and Suicide Bomber Brainwashers like Dad-ush-Shaitan. What did the Mu'tazilah produced? science, Bayt Al Hikmah, technology, advancements. We can see by the fruits who was on Haq and who was not.

So PLease don't try to teach us history, we already have it laid out before us. Of course everyone says Supposed Accusations about Jamaluddin Al-Afghani; but all you have to do is read Jamaluddin Al Afghani's work to know he was a Mu'tazilah. Pay close attention 2010 .....so you can save yourself from getting sodomized at Deoband and so you can become a real Muslim.

http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/jamal_al-din_al-afghani.htm

Jamal al Din al Afghani Sayyid Jamal-al-din al-Afghani, or Jamal-al-din Asadabadi (also Seyyed Jamaluddin Asadabadi, Jamaluddin al-Afghani and Jamal al-din Afgani) (1838-1896 or 1837-1897) was is the father of the modern Islamic revival. He is sometimes named as the father of Islamism because some of his students and their students were radical Islamists, including Hassan Al-Banna, Abul ala Maududi, Sayyid Qutb as well perhaps, as the radical Shi'ite Ayatollah Rohollah Khomeini. However, in contradiction to radical Islamists, Afghani was more a philosopher than a religious Imam. His ideas were apparently based on the old but still surviving tradition of Islamic rationalism evident in the philosophy of Averroes, Avicenna and Ibn Khaldoun.

Now look at Mu'tazilah

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Mu'tazili

Mu'tazili theology emerged out of the Qadarite-Murji'ite dispute over the status of Muslims in the eighth century. This dispute contested two different readings of the Qur’an in regards to the status of believers and non-believers. The group is sometimes labeled as ‘rationalists’ due to their stance on the reading of the Qur’an from a rationalist standpoint[ Later, Mu'tazilis expanded on the logic and rationalism of philosophy, seeking to combine them with Islamic doctrines and show that reason and revelation were inherently compatible.

see we never went away ...Your forefather's were too busy Growing long beards to pretend to be Holy and then Molesting Boys like you to notice. don't worry we're not going anywhere, we live in the Modern era where SCIENCE counts, you stand no chance , your time is over for good ....Child Molestor Cultist

[RevolutionThroughReason]

the Typical Deobandi




the Typical Mu'tazilah





Mu'tazilah= Knowledge

Deobandism= Ignorance

[asad71]

It seems that every time those Muslims who reached a level of illumination, they diverted and became corrupt, and instead of using what they have learnt to benefit all they became exclusive keeping knowledge and wealth midst themselves. Ismailis, Agha Khanis, Ahmedis, Bahai's, to name a few.

..?

1.None of these are Muslims. Ismailis and Aga Khanis are same. They have a book written in Gujarati which they follow, not the Holy Quoran. They don't pray with us or like us. They gather at their Jama'at Khan. Ismailis were discovered and revived by British Intel for own use. The Aga Khan was used in keeping the Egyptian King in check. But the greatest contribution of Aga Khan has been the break up of British India in a manner that has dispersed the Muslims of SA in 3 geographical locations this weakening them everywhere. This is a cult. Ismailis owe allegiance only to their Imam, no country. Operating more efficiently than Zionists, but quite like them, they are a business mafia. Barred from entering Makkah - Madina.

2. Ahmadis/Qadyianis/Mirazis were manufactured by British Intel to introduce a cancer in the Islamic body when a resurgence of Islam was visible on the horizon. A Qadyiani by birth is to be treated differently than a first-person converted Qadyiani. This latter has "deviated" from "deen" and qualifies to loose his life and property for this inexcusable sin. In their early days the Pashtuns meted out this very punishment to them. The Pashtun Ulema had discussed this issue at length and decided that this was a problem for the Muslim community to sort out. Therefore, they kept the Shah and the state out of it. On one pre-designated day all deviatiors living within Afghanistan and NWFP were killed as prescribed in the Book.

3. Bahais are totally different having nothing to do with Islam. This was manufactured by British Intel in Persia trying to dilute Islam with Zoroasterism.

[Afghanistan2010]

renewed every 100 years? Who says we weren't? There have always been Mu'tazlah Anyone who promotes rationality and seeks practical and theoretical knowledge over blind belief is a Mu'tazilah. anyone who can look at problems and analyze them to determine the merits and propensities rather than accepting something on doctrine is a Mu'tazilah. Anyone who emphasizes seeking evidence from nature and the world around them is a Mu'tazilah. The Mu'tazilah have been around for centuries, we don't need to be loudmouths to say were here. We are here always.

Your Deoband Cult was only invented in 1800, 1200 years after the Mu'tazilah were ruling the entire civilized world. You came over a millenia too late. You have not even had 200 years of existence never mind being around every 100 years to renew yourselves.You would not exist unless the Kafir Mongolians did not destroy the great libraries of Baghdad, KHwarzem Mashhad, and Tus; you would have remained just a bunch of idiotic nutcases in India. You only exist because of the Kufar and you have been agents and servants of Infidels ever since you came.

and what have you produced? only two things ....Child Molestors like Mullah Sandwich and Suicide Bomber Brainwashers like Dad-ush-Shaitan. What did the Mu'tazilah produced? science, Bayt Al Hikmah, technology, advancements. We can see by the fruits who was on Haq and who was not.

So PLease don't try to teach us history, we already have it laid out before us. Of course everyone says Supposed Accusations about Jamaluddin Al-Afghani; but all you have to do is read Jamaluddin Al Afghani's work to know he was a Mu'tazilah. Pay close attention 2010 .....so you can save yourself from getting sodomized at Deoband and so you can become a real Muslim.


http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-Eas...al-afghani.htm




Now look at Mu'tazilah

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Mu'tazili



see we never went away ...Your forefather's were too busy Growing long beards to pretend to be Holy and then Molesting Boys like you to notice. don't worry we're not going anywhere, we live in the Modern era where SCIENCE counts, you stand no chance , your time is over for good ....Child Molestor Cultist

Deoband is an islamic university in India as like Al Azhar....was Hasan Al Basri (rah) also deobandi and Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (rah) too ?

lool

[khushal]

It seems that every time those Muslims who reached a level of illumination, they diverted and became corrupt, and instead of using what they have learnt to benefit all they became exclusive keeping knowledge and wealth midst themselves. Ismailis, Agha Khanis, Ahmedis, Bahai's, to name a few.

Main stream Shia and Sunni Islam are unfortunately plagued by the ultra conservative neanderthals or the day time Muslims by name only.

Is there any hope....any other group out there to uplift the Muslim masses? Hizb and Brotherhood....far from it. Suffer from the same diseases as the main streamers do.

Perhaps a resurgence of the Mu'tazilites....are these guys around..?

This problem not only exists among muslims but also non muslims.
John Dalberg put it best:

I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men, with a favorable presumption that they did not wrong. If there is any presumption it is the other way against holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.

This inevitable lead to corruption also is the reason of the fall of most Empires. Europe was ruled by corrupt monarachies and dictators just like the middle east is today. It was in America that was far from Europe and was free from European influence where people sought to create a union where power was more balanced to prevent tyranny. But if I can be free to combine the sayings of Dalberg and Gloria Estefan, no one is immune to the corruption that is a side effect of power, eventually "the rythem is going to get you."

[khushal]

renewed every 100 years? Who says we weren't? There have always been Mu'tazlah Anyone who promotes rationality and seeks practical and theoretical knowledge over blind belief is a Mu'tazilah. anyone who can look at problems and analyze them to determine the merits and propensities rather than accepting something on doctrine is a Mu'tazilah. Anyone who emphasizes seeking evidence from nature and the world around them is a Mu'tazilah. The Mu'tazilah have been around for centuries, we don't need to be loudmouths to say were here. We are here always.

your equating mutazilah with rationalists. how are you a mutazaillah(rationalist) when your hitting on underage girls on this forum and talking dirty to senior citizens over 65 years old and cant stop talking about sexual perverted stories and investigating everyones sex lives. A sexual deviant like you is no rationalist.

[R3SISTANC3]

1.None of these are Muslims. Ismailis and Aga Khanis are same. They have a book written in Gujarati which they follow, not the Holy Quoran. They don't pray with us or like us. They gather at their Jama'at Khan. Ismailis were discovered and revived by British Intel for own use. The Aga Khan was used in keeping the Egyptian King in check. But the greatest contribution of Aga Khan has been the break up of British India in a manner that has dispersed the Muslims of SA in 3 geographical locations this weakening them everywhere. This is a cult. Ismailis owe allegiance only to their Imam, no country. Operating more efficiently than Zionists, but quite like them, they are a business mafia. Barred from entering Makkah - Madina.

2. Ahmadis/Qadyianis/Mirazis were manufactured by British Intel to introduce a cancer in the Islamic body when a resurgence of Islam was visible on the horizon. A Qadyiani by birth is to be treated differently than a first-person converted Qadyiani. This latter has "deviated" from "deen" and qualifies to loose his life and property for this inexcusable sin. In their early days the Pashtuns meted out this very punishment to them. The Pashtun Ulema had discussed this issue at length and decided that this was a problem for the Muslim community to sort out. Therefore, they kept the Shah and the state out of it. On one pre-designated day all deviatiors living within Afghanistan and NWFP were killed as prescribed in the Book.

3. Bahais are totally different having nothing to do with Islam. This was manufactured by British Intel in Persia trying to dilute Islam with Zoroasterism.

You missed the whole point of becoming corrupted. They all started as Muslims.

1. Ismailis weren't revived by the British they were always there since the times of the Fatimid Caliphate. Aga Khanis are Ismailis but not all Ismailis associate with that term. It is mostly Ismailis of the sub-continent that do. Within them are the Khojas, who are Ismailis from Indo-Pak region but differ from Agha Khanis. In the Middle East they are known as Nizaris. The name Jama'at Khana is again used by Ismailis of the sub-continent, not by all Ismailis. Shias pray in different Mosques so do Sunni, so do Sunnis of different madhabs. They just call theirs Jama'at Khana, like we call our Jumaat, Masjid, Jaama or Mosque. Yes it's members only, and to their particular sect. For example the Ismailis of Hunzu don't get along with major Agha Khanis in Pakistan. They have their own IMAM.

2. There are two groups of Ahmedis, the one in Pakistan are closer to Sunni Islam while rejecting the prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, while those in India believe him to be a Prophet. They were not created by the British. They were mainstream Muslims who diverted after forming their own ideas. The British supported them just as they supported other differing parties against each other. Whenever people develop their own ideas in a particular religion after being exposed to various information they splinter into an entire different entity. The Sikhs were born after a Hindu was influenced by both Islam and his Hindu traditions. The British didn't create Guru Nanak. In fact many Pashtuns were followers of Guru Nanak whose mentor was an Afghan. His religion came into existence after his death. Pir Rokhan developed his own ideas, rejecting main stream Islam and fighting the Mughul backed Mulvis. The British didn't not create the Rokhaniya. So did the followers of Mirza Khan Faqir-e-Ipi declaring him to be a Saint who rejected the main streamers call for Pakistan. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was a Sunni Muslims who choose non-violence over violent methods of resistance. People argue he was a Hindu agent. BS.

The Salafi/Wahabi were trained, financed, and supported by the Jesuits English agent Lawrence of Arabia against the Ottomans/Turks. I guess Salafis/Wahabis, "authentic Islam", are also the creation of the British Intel or Abdul Wahab and his ideas existed prior to that?

3. Nothing to do with ISLAM? LOLLL Bahai's originate from Babis, who were Shia Muslims, followers of the Baba. He developed his own ideas, differing from main stream Shias. Same goes for the Druze, Yazidis etc. They were all Muslims who deviated into their own unique cults.

Yes, they can not be considered Muslims, after their clear deviations from historical Islam and Muslim beliefs. But then again authentic Sunnis do taakfir on each other. In my own village there are 5 mosques belonging to different sects all claiming to be Sunnis and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah but are ready to slaughter each other given the opportunity. The Salafi have their own mosque, deobandi their own, the panj peeri their own, the sufis their own, the bravelis their own.

In actuality, none of them are MUSLIMS, not even you if you associate with a sect...says who? Well... GOD:

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah; then He will inform them about what they used to do. 6:159

So anyone that associates with Sunni, Salafi, Wahabi, Sufi, Shia, Ismaili, any sect is not a Muslim. And according to that very verse THEIR AFFAIR IS ONLY LEFT TO GOD. So you can't do taakfir on them either. You can disagree, laugh at their beliefs, but that's it.

The above is from Allah SWT...not Bukhari, Hanifa, or Hanbali. You know, the GOD of Muhammad SAW, of Bukhari, of Abdul Wahab, of Osama and Omar Hotak, of Al Bani, of the earth and the sun, the galaxy and the universe. Yeah, that GOD, that's what HE declared. No ifs, no buts, nada.

[faye]

from what i read wahhabism started in the 1700's and lawrence wasn't there till 1918. he may have trained some but it doesn't sound as though wahhabism itself is a british creation.

[Tjanaparh]

Dear Resistance, I thinks Yezdis wouldn'T agree with You, they say they originated of Zoroastrism and Islam had simply influnce on them, as they mostly lived in Muslim regions.

[R3SISTANC3]

Dear Resistance, I thinks Yezdis wouldn'T agree with You, they say they originated of Zoroastrism and Islam had simply influnce on them, as they mostly lived in Muslim regions.

I have read the Yazidis book, some text from Ismailis, Alevis, Agha Khanis, Ahmedis, Bahai etc. and it is true that there is influence of both Islam and original indigenous culture and past beliefs. Though the Yazidi creation story is basically Abrahamic creation story reversed. Iblis is the center figure and considered good, also called Malek Taus. His story in their belief is from Islamic perspective. When Malek Taus was asked to prostrate to Adam, he did not, because only God was worthy of such honor. According to them he love God so much that he gave up his place in the heavens.

Some believe that Yazidis was a cult started by Muawiyah son Yazid. His cult mocked what the Prophet SAW thought by making the center evil figure in Islam into a good.

Here is from their own scripture, the Black Book, which is kept secret but still leaked by occultists authors:

He also illuminated Mohammed, the prophet of the Ishmaelites, who had a servant named Mu‘âwiya, When God saw that Mohammed was not upright before him, he afflicted him with a headache. The prophet then asked his servant to shave his head, for Mu‘âwiya knew how to shave. He shaved his master in haste, and with some difficulty. As a result, he cut his head and made it bleed. Fearing that the blood might drop to the ground, Mu‘âwiya licked it with his tongue. Whereupon Mohammed asked, "What are you doing, Mu‘âwiya?" He replied, "I licked thy blood with my tongue, for I feared that it might drop to the ground." Then Mohammed said to him, "You have sinned, O Mu‘âwiya, you shall draw a nation after you. You shall oppose my sect." Mu‘âwiya answered and said, "Then I will not enter the world; I will not marry!'

It came to pass that after some time God sent scorpions upon Mu‘âwiya, which bit him, causing his face to break out with poison. Physicians urged him to marry lest he die. Hearing this, he consented. They brought him an old woman, eighty years of age. in order that no child might be born. Mu‘âwiya knew his wife, and in the morning she appeared a woman of twenty-five, by the power of the great God. And she conceived and bore our god Yezid. But the foreign sects, ignorant of this fact, say that our god came from heaven, despised and driven out by the great God. For this reason they blaspheme him. In this they have erred. But we, the Yezidi sect, believe this not, for we know that he is one of the above-mentioned seven gods. We know the form of his person and his image. It is the form of a cock which we possess.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/asia/sby/sby11.htm

[Tjanaparh]

Thank You dear Resistance!
As one Yezdi(we have many of them in Armenia) told, Yezdism changed much after their spiritual master Sheykh Adi, who was a Sufi by himself. That may be together with others the moment when Abrahamic religion got adopted inside the typically Kurdish faith.
However I must alo say, many of our Yezdis aren't that literate on their own culture.
Our Yezdis derive mostly from one tribe that came to Armenia together with Western Armenians.