NATIONALISM ('Asabiyyah)

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I have absolutely changed my view on things thanks to Nadir Shah and Lewanay. I love you guys mara, you guys truely are benefiticial towards the Pashtun cause. I have witnessed myself the arabisation of Pashtuns quite clearly. You can see for yourself how Pashtun society has become so arabised through Islam.

We also witnessed the dawn of our destruction when these Arabised Lunatics took power in Afghanistan and brought back backward stone ages rules and laws such as stoning of women, forcing beards and so on.

Its so laughable when they think that everything from inventions and so on all started when Islam was brought into this world.

They use very cunning tactics such as you can accept weapons and training from kaffirs to kill kaffirs, that Arabic will be the language of heaven and other languages will be non existant, in my eyes, that is clearly imperialism, Arabs just like the Christians used the same tactics when they started their conquests of offensive jihads.

According to one Supporter of offensive jihad, is that it will be a big sin if a Muslim Army does not terrorist a non muslim land atleast once a year, how can somebody in this day and age accept such garbage as a basic tenat of ones faith.

Kind Regards

[Millatpal Noorzai]

take a look at how the precsious caliphate treated the prophets family:
Imam Hassan- Murdered on the orders of Muawiya the first ummayad
Imam Hussain- Murdered due Yazeed and his lust for power... yazeed the heir of Muawiya
Imam zain al abaden- posioned on the orders of Caliph al walid
Imam Baqir- Posioned on the orders of Caliph Hisham malik
Imam Jaffer- Posioned on the orders of calip al mansor
Imam Musa- Put into prison and executed on the orders of Caliph Haroon rashid
Imam Reza- Killed on orders from Caliph mamun
Imam Taqi-Killed by his wife ( daughter of caliph mamun)
Imam Hadi-Killed by Caliph Mutaz
Imam Askari-placed under house arrest and executed by caliph Mutamid..





this is just what the caliphate did to the prophets household... Lord knows what cruelty they did on the average muslim... treating non arabs like dirt....
but hey this is the caliphate!!!!!!!! the same system you wish 2 take us back 2!

What is your source for all these allegations,,Google?
You sound to be an advocate of Shiism.

[Palwasha]

You can see for yourself how Pashtun society has become so arabised through Islam.

We also witnessed the dawn of our destruction when these Arabised Lunatics took power in Afghanistan and brought back backward stone ages rules and laws such as stoning of women, forcing beards and so on.

Its so laughable when they think that everything from inventions and so on all started when Islam was brought into this world.

Islam's always been in this World.

Okay, so I see this is the blame game again, of the 'downfall' of Pashtuns; if it's not Punjabi's, it's other Pakistani's, and if it aint them.. it's the Arabs? Right.

Lol, and how exactly is the Pashtun society Arabised? (Is that even a word?) We have our own culture, our own language and are different people. Though, Islam unites us, Alhamdolilah.

Pashtuns accepted Islam straight away, it was never forced upon them. It was their own choice, if anyone's unhappy as to why we are the people we are, then go and argue with your forefathers. Yes Pashtuns weren't Muslims from the beginning, but no one race was. Islam ties in with Pashtunwali, it's only a minority who think otherwise.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Islam's always been in this World.

Okay, so I see this is the blame game again, of the 'downfall' of Pashtuns; if it's not Punjabi's, it's other Pakistani's, and if it aint them.. it's the Arabs? Right.

Lol, and how exactly is the Pashtun society Arabised? (Is that even a word?) We have our own culture, our own language and are different people. Though, Islam unites us, Alhamdolilah.

Pashtuns accepted Islam straight away, it was never forced upon them. It was their own choice, if anyone's unhappy as to why we are the people we are, then go and argue with your forefathers. Yes Pashtuns weren't Muslims from the beginning, but no one race was. Islam ties in with Pashtunwali, it's only a minority who think otherwise.

So what faith were Pashtuns following before the Arabs invaded or is your knowledge only limited to what a Mullah told you.

Islam does not tie in with Pashtunwali, Pashtunwali is very different from Islam.

This is again trying to Arabise Pashtun culture by Islamifying it.

Who is this Minority who thinks so, You have Musulman here on this forum who consider Pashtunwali as a form of being Jahil.

Kind Regards

[شمله ور خراساني]

So what faith were Pashtuns following before the Arabs invaded or is your knowledge only limited to what a Mullah told you.

Islam does not tie in with Pashtunwali, Pashtunwali is very different from Islam.

This is again trying to Arabise Pashtun culture by Islamifying it.

Who is this Minority who thinks so, You have Musulman here on this forum who consider Pashtunwali as a form of being Jahil.

Kind Regards

Yes. Pashtunwali is very different from Islam. In Pashtunwali, women are used as chips to bargain with when you have a conflict or a war. In Islam it's prohibited.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I am glad you came out of the closet, you can now swan around.

Visit your village mullah in rural Punjab and ask him if he considers Loy Afghanistan as acceptable to the Muslim Ummah or just typical Nationalistic Trash. What closket buddy? Iam sick of people such as you who work so hard to use any excuse to bring down those who truely care for Pashtuns, You want to introduce laws and rules that bring people back into the stone ages where women are stoned with rocks and wearing full Shuttlecock dresses with cages to see through. What kind of society do you expect eh? You want us all to follow customs that date prehistoric times? Loy Afghanistan haha!

Be more concern for your fellow citizens spit shine Pakistanis shoes in Islamabad Airport than Loy Afghanistan, I dont want to be ruled by an Arabised Individuals who ask me to unify with Punjabis and accept lunatics such as Israr Ahmeds and Hamid Guls as fellow beings.



Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

^ Why do you bring Pakistan into it, Most of what you say is endorsed by the likes of israr ahmed and hamid gul and lets not forget the founder of your movement for Shariat Col Imam

I am a Nationalist, I oppose outside influences including Arabs from the Deserts of Arabia who treat women as dirt.

I dont use a few desparate tribal elders who were brought by fear to speak on some Paaakistani Army TV show as a source.

Majority of your supporters are Paaakistanis themselves, so go and enjoy the fruiets of being a proxy of ISI because I will never be a slave of anybody.

Kind Regards

[Palwasha]

So what faith were Pashtuns following before the Arabs invaded or is your knowledge only limited to what a Mullah told you.

Which Mullah? I don't ever talk to any. There are various theories as to what Pashtuns were before Islam, something I'll have to look into further, InshAllah.

Islam does not tie in with Pashtunwali, Pashtunwali is very different from Islam.

This is again trying to Arabise Pashtun culture by Islamifying it.

It does tie in, you think otherwise because suddenly your views have been swayed. Just because a Pashtun doesn't agree with Islam doesn't mean it's not to do with Pashtunwali.

You're getting Islam confused with Arab culture, know that the two are different, dear brother. Islam does not belong to any one race, it's for all; however, Pashtuns belong to Islam.

Again I'll ask, how is Pashtun culture being 'Arabised'? If you're referring to their Islamic ways, again this isn't to do with Arabs.. it's who we are. Pashtuns have been Muslim for a while now, and that sure as hell isn't about to change. We're known for being strong Muslims, Alhamdolilah.

Also, this is being said without any Arab influenece whatsoever. It's actually quite the opposite bro, I speak from my mind, you speak from confusion. It's not me who's under influence.

Khair, each to their own. But I know, that Pashtuns would be lost without Islam.

[akbarkhan]

Guley, don't worry about him - there is no point in reciting Yasin near his ears.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Which Mullah? I don't ever talk to any. There are various theories as to what Pashtuns were before Islam, something I'll have to look into further, InshAllah.



It does tie in, you think otherwise because suddenly your views have been swayed. Just because a Pashtun doesn't agree with Islam doesn't mean it's not to do with Pashtunwali.

You're getting Islam confused with Arab culture, know that the two are different, dear brother. Islam does not belong to any one race, it's for all; however, Pashtuns belong to Islam.

Again I'll ask, how is Pashtun culture being 'Arabised'? If you're referring to their Islamic ways, again this isn't to do with Arabs.. it's who we are. Pashtuns have been Muslim for a while now, and that sure as hell isn't about to change. We're known for being strong Muslims, Alhamdolilah.

Also, this is being said without any Arab influenece whatsoever. It's actually quite the opposite bro, I speak from my mind, you speak from confusion. It's not me who's under influence.

Khair, each to their own. But I know, that Pashtuns would be lost without Islam.

Again with the Usual Arab Black Mail. Pashtuns were Pashtuns even before Islam was came about on this Planet and I am sure Pashtuns will continue to be Pashtuns.

For the last century, show what has islam done for Pashtuns. Its very easy for you to say those things since you live in the Uk and support Labour, but what ground realities have you experienced in your native Pashtun land.

Do you consider this as being beneficial for Pashtuns?



This is what Islam and Hadith endorses its followers to do, does this seem sane and civilised in your eyes, this is what Shariat supports, can you publically get enjoyment from seeing such things?

What about this

http://www.worldtribunepakistan.com/news_detail.php?page_id=18886

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What about this

Having a Clean shave and getting flogged for it



Its very easy to say these things are unislamic but sadly it is what islam teaches, since most of the people who support such barbarity inflicted on the Pashtun people live comfortably in the west, you wait till you experience such stone age practices yourself, and then you will realise.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Well, Its good you shown your weakness to us all.

Is that the best you can do.

Always remmeber this, Your movement for Shariat has more support in Pakistan than your own native land called Afghanistan.

Your fathers of Shariat are general aslam baig and Hamid gul and your father of Taliban is Col imam.

Always remmeber this, You are both a Lapdog of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and at times CIA when best suits them.

That is the difference between you and me,

SO keep posting your funny videos, but always remmeber this, it was pakistan army who sent your Afghan refugees to Kargil to die a slow and cold death in the name of Jihad, It was Pakistan who educated you with litrature from the Jihadi University of nebraska at the Darul Ismami Haqqania, Your grandfather of Taliban movement was Maualan Sami ul Haq, the list goes on and on and on.

Pashtun Nationalist Ideology was produced and created by Pashtuns, not a Mullah Omar ISI agent, You should ask yourself this Mr Akbar Khan, Why was Mullah Burjen Murdered?

And you think educated people will follow this kind of people in this day and age. Pashtuns are helpless and stuck, the day they are free and the day Arab influence is dimished, we will see how much preaching you Traitors will do once we stamp Traitor on your forefather for enternity.

Do something constructive! go and ask yourself is fighting for a Loy Afghanistan not Nationalism or are you just another closket Nationalist who fears he wont get his 72 white virgins in the here after.

Kind Regards

[Roshina]

Okay, seriously, guys?! Now we are getting younger and younger, less and less mature day by day by trying to "expose" the other? What exactly are the two of you trying to achieve? I'm not sure if it's supposed to be funny or serious or mocking each other or what, but this thread is going to have to be closed until some posts are edited and/or deleted, as necessary.

Now, grow up! All of you!

[tor_khan]

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[Levanaye Zalmaye]

None of you have any factual evidence at all. Just wasting forum space. there's nothing believable coming out of you.

And every disbelieving citizen payed jiziya. The arab christians and jews paid jizya in palestine. So maybe you should read an actual history book. And not fairy tales.

Are you even listening to what I'm saying? I presented you with factual information and your reaction was to cover your ears and say stuff out aloud so that you can't hear me.

Here, read.

lol and your Islamic empire had bath-houses that didn't discriminate between women and men. If they tried to build that in Kandahar, the Pashtuns would've thrown them out.

[Toramana]

Under Arab/Beduine imperialism/caliphat, our Pashtun mothers, daughters, and sisters would become cancubines in Arab harems. This is what Arab civilization gifted to humanity. History says, during the era of early caliphs, they did nothing but enjoyed the company of cancubines (according to sources evey influential Arab then had about 40+ cancubines at his home brought from Persia, Egypt, etc.) and live on booty from the infidel lands.

Nothing grew in the deserts of Arabia. And Arabs used to eat lizards.