The Mu'tazilah, Founders of the Islamic Golden Age

[کیش]

science is God's words in action.

So science > Quran?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

But what is true Islam? and where is it practice...read history of Islam, it’s nothing but violence and killing. [/FONT]

True Islam is justice , righteousness, establishing equity. Of course there wiill be violence; The battle of the Just vs. the Unjust will always be there. we just need to figure which is which.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

So science > Quran?

no science is the Qur'an in action.

[Daruish]

How about you persuade Muslims in their communities if your "logic" is anywhere close to the "truth."

If you really believe in Science over God's words.

Dude 99% of muslim are like this guy

‫بي دينه بي مذهبه د اې ايس اې ګوډګيان‬‎ - YouTube

If this was a real world---you and rest of your folks would have called RevolutionThroughReason as Kafir and hang him on spot.

Once I had a argument about Hazrat e Ali with my great uncle, he insisted its actual Hazrat e Ali grave in Balkh, I told him at that time traveling from Arabia to Balkh would have taken months if not year, and in hot climate of Arabia the body would have gone bad, he said I’m a Kafir for not believe the miracle. Or if I tell my mother to send the money she uses to go to Haj, $14000 and build a school in Afghanistan for god has no home its just symbolism, she says I become Kafir.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

So science > Quran?

See, here is where me and Revo are fundamentaly different.

I believe that Qur`an & other books = science.

That is the science I believe in, Islamic sciences and not the kuffar Western secular "black magic" science that is widespread today.

[کیش]

no science is the Qur'an in action.

Okay, we both put up respectable statements. Like i said when we die, that is only when we can truly confirm everything, and not hypothesis.

Good night and god bless.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Dude 99% of muslim are like this guy

‫بي دينه بي مذهبه د اې ايس اې ګوډګيان‬‎ - YouTube[/URL]

If this was a real world---you and rest of your folks would have called RevolutionThroughReason as Kafir and hang him on spot.

Once I had a argument about Hazrat e Ali with my great uncle, he insisted its actual Hazrat e Ali grave in Balkh, I told him at that time traveling from Arabia to Balkh would have taken months if not year, and in hot climate of Arabia the body would have gone bad, he said I’m a Kafir for not believe the miracle. Or if I tell my mother to send the money she uses to go to Haj, $14000 and build a school in Afghanistan for god has no home its just symbolism, she says I become Kafir.

Brother people use to say Nabi (saw) was a witch and he was insane, If there is God, he stands on the side of the kind and compassionate, the only real kufar are those who seek to cause others harm, thus I know no matter how much people like Kais want to call people kafir. It all comes to this, you know a tree by its fruit. The fruit of Wahhabis, Taliban and other extremists have always been to create suffering.

The reason our families think these things is because for many yars we allowed the wrong people decide how to interpret things. Now it's our job to reclaim it.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

See, here is where me and Revo are fundamentaly different.

I believe that Qur`an & other books = science.

That is the science I believe in, Islamic sciences and not the kuffar Western secular "black magic" science that is widespread today.

LOL black magic, so you think they're warlocks who cure sick people or discover particles in the large hadron collider? interesting

[کیش]

Brother people use to say Nabi (saw) was a witch and he was insane, If there is God, he stands on the side of the kind and compassionate, the only real kufar are those who seek to cause others harm, thus I know no matter how much people like Kais want to call people kafir. It all comes to this, you know a tree by its fruit. The fruit of Wahhabis, Taliban and other extremists have always been to create suffering.

The reason our families think these things is because for many yars we allowed the wrong people decide how to interpret things. Now it's our job to reclaim it.

Whoah whoah: I don't appreciate lies being pointed into my direction. I have never ever called someone, let alone a Muslim a "Kafir."

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Whoah whoah: I don't appreciate lies being pointed into my direction. I have never ever called someone, let alone a Muslim a "Kafir."

ok it sounded like earlier you were trying to say I was a disbeliever, my bad.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

LOL black magic, so you think they're warlocks who cure sick people or discover particles in the large hadron collider? interesting

Obviously I do not literally think that, however, I reject these sciences unless they are a part of Islamic knowledge and are explored through Islamic conecpts.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

sounds pretty biased to me, If nature works it will work for anybody not just for Muslims.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

sounds pretty biased to me, If nature works it will work for anybody not just for Muslims.

Yeah but Muslims are supposed to have the means of finding out.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yeah but Muslims are supposed to have the means of finding out.

well then let's help develop our countries so that one day no Muslim will have to come to learn in the West, we'll have our own scientific well spring which we can rely on.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

well then let's help develop our countries so that one day no Muslim will have to come to learn in the West, we'll have our own scientific well spring which we can rely on.

No Muslim needs to come to the West, they do so because of either majburi or greed.

And we do, it is the hikmat.