The Mu'tazilah, Founders of the Islamic Golden Age

[کیش]

yeah good question; If God made man out of clay wouldn't we see the properties of clay in humans, but yet we don't and see the properties of organisms that evolved?

To say the Lord "works in Mysterious" ways is just an ambiguous cover up for the inconsistencies in the literalist argument; But sinc it is ambiguous; we can use that same statement to me that God uses the mystery of metaphor to describe evolution.

It backfires against literalists.

We shall receive all the answers when our souls pass, inshallah.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Not true

Dina Al Sabah is Kuwaiti and dies her hair blond

Okay you win, I didn't mean "no Arab women dies her hair blonde", I mean to say that less Arabs do it than Iranians.

I am happy the majority of Pashtuns don't resort to such artificial cheapness.

[Daruish]

Just as a reminder to Darius on why he should have some humility

I agree with you Dariush; .....Al-Arab is a piece of trash Arab-Nationalist dirt bag, who tries to hide his inflated Arab ego by acting like he's a pious Muslim.

BUT that doesn't mean you should do the same and act just like him with big ego.

Like I ssaid I don't want to attack Persians, everyone has flaws, Pashtuns, Tajiks/Persians, Hazaras and Arabs.

But if you think the "Aryans" had higher civilization than the Arabs before Islam you're mistaken. ALLOW me to humble you.

Hold on a second...isn't humanity product of insects according to Arab culture--Islam? I don’t care about zarositans…they don’t effect me what so ever…they are gone with the wind what matter for me is that my life and life of my people are damage by the following Arab laws—Islam.



1- Jihad defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.

3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.

4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.

5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.

7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.

8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.

9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.

10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.

11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery.

13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or havinng them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.

14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. A non-muslim can not posses weapons. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, the opposite is not true for Muslims.

15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.

16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.

17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.

18- A non-Muslim can not hold authority over muslims.

19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.

23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.

24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits.

25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and she has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.

26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.

27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.

28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.

29- A woman looses custody if she remarries.

30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.

31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.

32- A Muslim woman must cover most of the body, including her legs, hands, and hair.

33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery.

and on and on..

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yea instead their woman sleep under legs of 1000 thousands american and british troops that are statition there...profit for oil...god bless camel riding Arabs. lol

http://www.waleg.com/archives/002194.html

An Arab princess runing away with an american soilder.


(I do not care about wt a girl do…specially her private life…marry an American or African or date…I don’t care...I’m just mind F you stinky paki for as your comment about coloring hair suggest all the wt matters for you sexually frustrated folks are the thing between a women legs--in order word how to oppressed a woman---how to control them.)

Dariush that happens even amongst persians and Afghans too

Nasrine Gross is from Panjshir and she's married to an American
so is Zieba Shorish Shamley.

Most of the Muslim world suffers from this colonialist subservience mentality; it's a problem we all face, no one is better than anyone

even some Pashtun women are now marrying farangiyan.

Latifa Yusufi Woodhouse; her family are Akhundzada Khail of Kandahar, her father was Imam of the Sayyid Jamaluddin Afghani Masjid in Queens.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Hold on a second...isn't humanity product of insects according to Arab culture--Islam? I don’t care about zarositans…they don’t effect me what so ever…they are gone with the wind what matter for me is that my life and life of my people are damage by the following Arab laws—Islam.



1- Jihad defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.

3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.

4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.

5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.

6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.

7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.

8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.

9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.

10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.

11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.

12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery.

13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or havinng them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.

14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. A non-muslim can not posses weapons. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, the opposite is not true for Muslims.

15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.

16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.

17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.

18- A non-Muslim can not hold authority over muslims.

19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.

23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.

24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits.

25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and she has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.

26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.

27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.

28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.

29- A woman looses custody if she remarries.

30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses.

31- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.

32- A Muslim woman must cover most of the body, including her legs, hands, and hair.

33- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery.

and on and on..

Oh I get it now, he is that guy I know.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

We shall receive all the answers when our souls pass, inshallah.

that's fine; you believe in your understanding, I'll believe in mine.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Hold on a second...isn't humanity product of insects according to Arab culture--Islam? I don’t care about zarositans…they don’t effect me what so ever…they are gone with the wind what matter for me is that my life and life of my people are damage by the following Arab laws—Islam.


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You need to prove these are precisely the arguments of Islam from Islamic sources themselves. It is true Islam is often abused, like with the Taliban, but this is not the fault of Islam but corrupt people who try to ride off the appeal of Islam for their own agenda

and I apologize if I seemed harsh with Persians, I m not, I am just saying negatives in all societies.

It makes no sense to hate "Arabs" just because of Al-Qaeda than it is to hate Pashtuns just because of Taliban or hate Tajiks just because of Massoud.

[کیش]

that's fine; you believe in your understanding, I'll believe in mine.

Sure, but don't advocate a corrupt interpretation. That is no difference then what your adversary, the militants, are doing.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Sure, but don't advocate a corrupt interpretation. That is no difference then what your adversary, the militants, are doing.

I will advocate logic and truth based on what is evident.

[Daruish]

Dariush that happens even amongst persians and Afghans too

Nasrine Gross is from Panjshir and she's married to an American
so is Zieba Shorish Shamley.

Most of the Muslim world suffers from this colonialist subservience mentality; it's a problem we all face, no one is better than anyone

even some Pashtun women are now marrying farangiyan.

Latifa Yusufi Woodhouse; her family are Akhundzada Khail of Kandahar, her father was Imam of the Sayyid Jamaluddin Afghani Masjid in Queens.

A woman can marry anyone she likes, I have no problem with that...the guy mention gulf Arab--who are the most corrupt immoral of all Arabs…these are the same people who support—finances dark forces of taliban in Afghanistan in the name of Islam but their sons and now a days daughter commit zena with westerns.

[کیش]

I will advocate logic and truth based on what is evident.

How about you persuade Muslims in their communities if your "logic" is anywhere close to the "truth."

If you really believe in Science over God's words.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

How about you persuade Muslims in their communities if your "logic" is anywhere close to the "truth."

If you really believe in Science over God's words.

science is God's words in action.

[Daruish]

You need to prove these are precisely the arguments of Islam from Islamic sources themselves. It is true Islam is often abused, like with the Taliban, but this is not the fault of Islam but corrupt people who try to ride off the appeal of Islam for their own agenda

and I apologize if I seemed harsh with Persians, I m not, I am just saying negatives in all societies.

It makes no sense to hate "Arabs" just because of Al-Qaeda than it is to hate Pashtuns just because of Taliban or hate Tajiks just because of Massoud.

Thanks, no need to apologize, i don't care about nationalist stuff, what matter for me is justice. I don't think we can spate Muslim from Islam we always hear the rational

Islam ba zahit e khod nadara aybe
Har Aybe ke ast dar muslimani mahst

But what is true Islam? and where is it practice...read history of Islam, it’s nothing but violence and killing.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

But what is true Islam? and where is it practice...read history of Islam, it’s nothing but violence and killing.

IMO "True Islam" is basically what Tasawwuf teaches and you practice it alone.

Violence and killing is not necessarily bad. It is all God's work.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

A woman can marry anyone she likes, I have no problem with that...the guy mention gulf Arab--who are the most corrupt immoral of all Arabs…these are the same people who support—finances dark forces of taliban in Afghanistan in the name of Islam but their sons and now a days daughter commit zena with westerns.

Well let's be clear here, it's not all Gulf Arabs unanimously think and say the same things or support the same things. For example Saudi Arabia did help the Taliban, but the run away Princess was from Bahrain. How would that be relevant to what Saudis do in Afghanistan? If you showed a Saudi princess that would be more relevant. However I do understand your point. In general The Gulf Culture is rather despicable and arrogant just in how they treat Afghans and other minorities who come to their country, regardless of whether or not they're Muslim.

What I am stressing here is jut to be intellectually honest and fair in your criticism of people. Believe me I know how disgusting Saudi men can be. Some Saudi women are also disgusting, but most Saudi women are decent and just want to be freed from oppression by their men.