Ziarat or Shrines

[Dreamer]

yes it is wrong but I know some shia bros and sisters who dont approve o zairats either and have issues with how the majority do these things...

[Dreamer]

source please from hanafi madhab.

how about we demolish the tomb of the prophet (swt) as well?

if the prophet himself lamented the fate of previous prophets graves then yes we shld try and keep in line with his teachings and yes he did order graves to be at ground level... he and his followers didnt contruct a tomb over his grave... later muslims did

[Dreamer]

Cant you pay your respect to them?

u can pay respect 2 dead people but they cant help u nor can they do anything for u, they cant help themselves so can hardly do anything foir the living

[Dreamer]

Oh, Allah! Do not let my grave become an idol that is worshiped: Allah's Wrath is immense against those peoples who turned the graves of their Prophets into mosques.- as reported by imam malik

[inqilab]

source please from hanafi madhab.

how about we demolish the tomb of the prophet (swt) as well?

Hanafi madhab? What kind of islam do you follow? hanafi madhhab is not the source. Quran and sunna are sources. Hanafi madhhab can be right or wrong. Criteria is if the madhhab complies with the shariah.

But there is clear ahadith one this. In sahih almuslim. from jabir bin abdullah. Allahs Messenger [s] forbade plastering over graves, sitting on them and erecting structures over them.

In sahih almuslim. From abul hayaj alasadi, from ali bin abi talib: "Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Allahs Messenger [s] sent me? Do not leave any statue without erasing it, and do not leave any raised grave without leveling it."

[inqilab]

Whetehr hanafi madhab says its ok or not does not even matter.

[Dreamer]

did imam abu hanifa bring islam? did the farishta of Allah come to him with the quran on mount hira? did he bring about islam that you demand his sources? what is imam abu hanifa but a dead scholar who had opinions which may be wrong..... what is the prophet? an infalliable person chosen by God... You take imam hanifa as your imam Ill take rasool as mine

[inqilab]

Cant you pay your respect to them?

Depends on what do you mean by that.

Allahs Messenger [s] only permitted visiting graves. So we can be reminded of the hereafter.

[Dukemina]

It is not right for a person to go to Madinah with the intention of visiting Rasullulah (saw) grave. Your intention should be that of performing Hajj and Umrah, and for visiting the haramains and since you are there you are allowed to visit his grave. But not soley for that purpose.

What ticks me off is when people request of you to "Send my salaams to Rasullulah (saw)" When it does not make a difference if you send your salaam to Rasullulah (saw) from Amreeka or from right infront of his (saw) grave.

[Dreamer]

I rather trust Abu Hanifa than internet e-scholars.

he isnt the be all and end all... he was a scholar... i take rulings from him and other scholars... I certainlyu dont approve of titles like hanafie u over emphesise his importance he was a scholar many came before him and many came after him... I like albaniee but dnt go calling myself an albaniee muslim

[abubaker]

just incase some one says, well the prophets grave is in the masjid so why shouldn't other people bury their deceased in the masjid too

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Why is the Prophet’s grave in his mosque even though it is forbidden to take graves as places of worship?
The hadeeth says, “May Allaah curse the Jews, for they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship”. So how come the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is inside his mosque in Madeenah?.

Praise be to Allaah.
The scholars have discussed this issue, in the past and more recently, and they refuted those who quote the fact that the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is inside his mosque as evidence that it is permissible to take graves as places of worship, or to include graves in mosques. We will quote the fatwas of some of our prominent scholars, which discuss in detail the matter raised in the question.

1 – Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

There is a specious argument put forward by those who worship graves, namely the fact that the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is in his mosque. The answer to that is that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) did not bury him in his mosque, rather they buried him in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her). When al-Waleed ibn ‘Abd al-Malik expanded the Mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) at the end of the first century, he incorporated the room into the mosque, but he did wrong thereby, and some of the scholars denounced him for that, but he believed that there was nothing wrong with it for the sake of expanding the mosque.

It is not permissible for a Muslim to take that as evidence that mosques may be built over graves, or that people may be buried inside mosques, because that goes against the saheeh ahaadeeth, and because it is a means that may lead to shirk by associating the occupants of the graves in worship with Allaah. End quote.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 5/388, 389.

2 – Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on praying in a mosque in which there is a grave.

He replied:

Praying in a mosque in which there is a grave falls into two categories:

(i) Either the grave was there before the mosque, and the mosque was built over the grave. It is essential to shun this mosque and not pray therein, and the one who built it must knock it down; if he does not do so, then the Muslim authorities must knock it down.

(ii) Or the mosque was there before the grave, and the deceased was buried after the mosque was built. In the case the grave must be dug up, and the remains taken out and buried with the people (in the graveyard).

As for praying in such a mosque, it is permissible so long as the grave is not in front of the worshipper, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade praying in the direction of graves.

With regard to the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which is incorporated into his mosque, it is well known that the Mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was built before his death, and was not built over his grave. It is also well known that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not buried in the mosque, rather he was buried in his house which was separate from the mosque. At the time of al-Waleed ibn ‘Abd al-Malik he wrote to his governor in Madeenah, who was ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez, in 88 AH, ordering him to dismantle the Prophet’s Mosque and add to it the rooms of the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). ‘Umar gathered the prominent people and fuqaha’, and read the letter of the caliph al-Waleed to them. That caused them distress, and they said: “Leave it as it is, that is better.” And it was narrated that Sa’eed ibn al-Musayyib denounced the incorporation of ‘Aa’ishah’s room into the mosque, as if he feared that the grave would be taken as a place of worship.

Umar wrote a letter to that effect to al-Waleed, and al-Waleed sent word to him ordering him to carry out his instructions, so ‘Umar had no other choice. So you see that the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not placed in the mosque, and the mosque was not built over it, so there are no grounds for those who try to quote this as evidence that people may be buried inside mosques or that mosques may be built over graves.

It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and the Christians; they have taken the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.” He said that as he was dying, as a warning to his ummah against doing what they did. When Umm Salamah told him of a church that she had seen in Ethiopia and the images therein, he said: “Those people, if a righteous man among them died, they would build a place of worship over his grave. They are the most evil of people before Allaah.” And it was narrated from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among the most evil of people upon whom the Hour will come when they are still alive are those who take graves as places of worship.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad with a jayyid isnaad.

The believer should not accept to follow the ways of the Jews and the Christians, or to be among the most evil of people.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 12/question no. 292

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

[Dreamer]

the grave was originally outside the mosque... it got incorportated into it as the masjid expanded

[Dreamer]

lol what?

I want to ask you one question. How do you decide which rulings to follow? Is it by your own whims and desires and what you see as fit.

Albani is just a new kid on the block. And he is nowhere near as respected by all as Abu Hanifa is. Albani is usually followed by those who call themselves salafis or ahle hadeeth and what not. Don't forget Abu Hanifa was a salaf himself, not Albani.

all of them are scholars so all their opinions are valid... I take what they say and use my own god given inteligence to see if it makes sence, btw u didnt answer me if it was imam abu hanifa on mount hira who the angel visited or if it was the prophet....

[Dukemina]

^They did not expand further from where the grave is though, Dreamer.

[Dreamer]

Thanks but no thanks. Please don't post Bin Baz, Albani and other similar scholars here to mislead pashtuns who are by inlarge hanafi madhab. Give us rulings form hanafi madhab. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT SUCH SCHOLARS.


Are you guys clones of each other? I think you guys go to those little madrasas in the west funded by saudi government. mmmmm

blind following tst tst