Ziarat or Shrines

[شمله ور خراساني]

[شمله ور خراساني]

[IamDZJ]

i don't really like the idea of women going to mosques in canada.

[IamDZJ]

it's more like a social gathering than worship.
i only went once in eid in 2005 and once i took my irani friend to an ahmadi one.

[Roshina]

It is permissible for women to visit graves.

Prostrating towards a grave is not permissible. However, it seems most of the time other things, like lowering the head in du`a or kissing the grave, are mistaken by onlookers to be prostration.

Most shrines are mosques with the grave inside it. It is permissible to pray there. The prayer area is usually separate from the grave.

Tawassul (supplicating through the righteous) is permissible. The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) himself taught the du`a of tawassul.

Agreed.

Just to add one more thing, just because a practice is evolved into something other than what it was originally supposed to be does NOT mean it's haraam. Just because people "date" there or meet their future partners doesn't mean it's haraam to go there. Otherwise, the same argument can be used against mosques: Large numbers of young Muslims go to the mosques just to find partners for marriage or meet Muslims of the opposite gender. Does that mean it should be haraam? No, of course not. It just means that going to the mosque now is legitimized in yet another way for some people.

Regarding women going to graves, there's one hadith that supposedly said women shouldn't go to graves. But there's a hadith that "abrogates" the earlier one. In this latter hadith, Aisha returns from having visited the grave of her brother, and someone called Abdullah something asks her where she had been. She tells him she went to her brother's grave, and the person goes, "Wait, I thought the Prophet forbid women from going to the graves?" And Aisha said, "Yes, he did a long time ago, but later on, he permitted us to visit graves."

I have seen both of these hadiths in Bukhari, but don't have access to them at the moment.

Also, what on earth?! Not allowed to cry?! What on EARTH! Crying at a loved person's death is like the most natural thing to do! Anyone who thinks otherwise must never experienced the death of a beloved. It's absolutely absurd, unfair, CRUEL, and unrealistic to forbid women from crying at someone's death :| Of course, it's another thing when they scream and go crazy and all, but that's not the norm: Most women just cry in the normal way.

[شمله ور خراساني]

What is the significance of the kids laying on the ground or kissing the floor?

they are worshiping a grave which is in the shrine.

[*Mahzala*]

Sangar: Women are allowed to visit graves, however, the frequent visits are what are prohibited. I am sure you are well aware of this, but I want to explain it in the light of my own experience. When I was doing my research about five years ago whether it is permissible to go or not, I was disappointed with every source I read. In fact, I wanted a source which told me visiting graves (of lost loved ones) is permissible, even if it was based on many conditions. And I came to know that visiting graves is permissible as it is a reminder for us, to take heed and be aware of our future abodes. Rasulullah SAW didn't encourage the frequent visits for women, however, a visit or two are not prohibited either. The prohibition of frequent visits can only be fully understood when one is in the situation himself. When you go to the grave of a loved one, and the sensation you experience upon returning, the desire to go abck and be there, with them, that is prohibited. I have experienced that, and only then, did I realise that the research I was doing about five years ago was something I could have only understood from experience. I am not suggesting that one should experience everything to fully understand the matters of the Deen, no. Rather, I am saying that many question (as I did) this law, but one can fully understand the gravity of the situation when one attends a graveyard themselves.

[thelostone]

When Allah Himself says, "I am closer to you than your Sheh rag" why do we need wasila of humans dead or alive.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar: Women are allowed to visit graves, however, the frequent visits are what are prohibited. I am sure you are well aware of this, but I want to explain it in the light of my own experience. When I was doing my research about five years ago whether it is permissible to go or not, I was disappointed with every source I read. In fact, I wanted a source which told me visiting graves (of lost loved ones) is permissible, even if it was based on many conditions. And I came to know that visiting graves is permissible as it is a reminder for us, to take heed and be aware of our future abodes. Rasulullah SAW didn't encourage the frequent visits for women, however, a visit or two are not prohibited either. The prohibition of frequent visits can only be fully understood when one is in the situation himself. When you go to the grave of a loved one, and the sensation you experience upon returning, the desire to go abck and be there, with them, that is prohibited. I have experienced that, and only then, did I realise that the research I was doing about five years ago was something I could have only understood from experience. I am not suggesting that one should experience everything to fully understand the matters of the Deen, no. Rather, I am saying that many question (as I did) this law, but one can fully understand the gravity of the situation when one attends a graveyard themselves.

Yes you are right. The two links I posted to articles about this subject explain this too.

I did not mean to say women are absolutely prohibited from visiting graves in general. What I stated did not reflect what I wanted to say. Bad choice of words I guess.

[spogmai shaglay]

A lot of Shrines here tooo where poeple visit and pray for hours and hours......
i have seen people completely doing sajda in front of the makbara even after knowing that its clearly mentioned that the a head of a muslim should be bowed only in from of Allah talla and no body else....

after doing all these acts the peer baba lieng in his grave also must be getting a lot of gunah.....

also women are strictly prohibited from going to shrines or dargas.......when women are not allowed near the grave of ur beloved Prophet Mohommad then how can tey be allowed at other shrines

people visitingthese shrines say that they ask Allah via these peers or babas..... what i feel is this peer baba lieing in his grave can really do something or can do our sifarish to Allah taala? when Allah talla clearly mentions his followers to ask from him directly then why do people take the long path and the small one...

[Feroza_Banu]

people can be mislead and tawassul can be practiced in a wrong way but it doesn't make the original act of tawasul haram... can u say that Islam is a wrong religion if u see someone practice Islam wrong?

if u can say that then currently muslims r not such a great representative of Islam, considering their deeds, but we can not blame it on Islam...

[Pakhtunzai]

Sangar: Women are allowed to visit graves, however, the frequent visits are what are prohibited. I am sure you are well aware of this, but I want to explain it in the light of my own experience. When I was doing my research about five years ago whether it is permissible to go or not, I was disappointed with every source I read. In fact, I wanted a source which told me visiting graves (of lost loved ones) is permissible, even if it was based on many conditions. And I came to know that visiting graves is permissible as it is a reminder for us, to take heed and be aware of our future abodes. Rasulullah SAW didn't encourage the frequent visits for women, however, a visit or two are not prohibited either. The prohibition of frequent visits can only be fully understood when one is in the situation himself. When you go to the grave of a loved one, and the sensation you experience upon returning, the desire to go abck and be there, with them, that is prohibited. I have experienced that, and only then, did I realise that the research I was doing about five years ago was something I could have only understood from experience. I am not suggesting that one should experience everything to fully understand the matters of the Deen, no. Rather, I am saying that many question (as I did) this law, but one can fully understand the gravity of the situation when one attends a graveyard themselves.

I had some questions upon this issue too..Thank you very much for clearing this up

[inqilab]

All shrines, graves that are not ground level, and masjids that are built upon graves should be demolished. This is a command from Allahs Messenger [s].

There is no such thing as ziarat. Ziarat implies pilgrimage to shrines or "special" graves. This is a old fashion pagan ritual. Today most of these pagan rituals are adopted by shias and sufis.

Muslims do not adhere to this.

[Dreamer]

All shrines, graves that are not ground level, and masjids that are built upon graves should be demolished. This is a command from Allahs Messenger [s].

There is no such thing as ziarat. Ziarat implies pilgrimage to shrines or "special" graves. This is a old fashion pagan ritual. Today most of these pagan rituals are adopted by shias and sufis.

Muslims do not adhere to this.

while I agree with u on the shrines,,, I think its wrong to say that shias are doing this because Sunnis do it 2... no need to look any further than brelvie sunnis

[inqilab]

Either way, this is not an Islamic ritual.