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  • #46
    The word of God never says that other people can force other people to follow religion

    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
      The word of God never says that other people can force other people to follow religion

      No one says religion tells anyone to accept another religion by force. But laws are implemented by force. The traffic laws are forced, if you do not follow the law you are fined or sent to jail and punished. In the same way Islamic laws are implemented in the same way, if you follow then fine if not then you are fined or sent to jail. So if the secular or worldly laws are implemented then no problem but when someone talks about the Islamic laws then you people start getting irritated. What is wrong with you people ?

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      • #48
        ^Friend please use some brains
        You can not belive in democatie, you can insult the founders of democatie and you can call the goverment as you please, you are not forced to vote, you can do this ****, but still nobody gona chop off your head, meanwhile in muslim and Islamic state if you turn to other religion or become atheist and stop praing or stop beliving that Mohammad is prophet the next day your head will be rolling on the ground. So please don't compare trafic laws or any other laws in a secular democratic state to that of an Islamic state ther is a big difrence.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
          ^Friend please use some brains
          You can not belive in democatie, you can insult the founders of democatie and you can call the goverment as you please, you are not forced to vote, you can do this ****, but still nobody gona chop off your head, meanwhile in muslim and Islamic state if you turn to other religion or become atheist and stop praing or stop beliving that Mohammad is prophet the next day your head will be rolling on the ground. So please don't compare trafic laws or any other laws in a secular democratic state to that of an Islamic state ther is a big difrence.
          But you don't know that the death penalty exists in every country of the world. Punishment for treason is death and not less than that and this law exists in every country. In same way changing religion is considered treason and the person is called traitor to the religion of Islam so the penalty is for the traitor is capital punishment.
          Again being an atheist you are not going to believe in what Islam says but even your atheists could not find the best punishment for the traitors other than capital punishment so whats wrong ?

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          • #50
            Friend nothing is wrong with us, the wrong is with you. When someone breaks a traffic law, they're just fined , no one is beaten or killed. There is no problem with God's Law, the problem is when people like you say they're following God's Law when really they're following their own interpretation. That's why God will handle his Laws. God never says you have to beat or kill people to make them obey his laws. God will handle people in the afterlife. Secular laws you don't have to hurt people to correct them. Real God wouldn't allow such laws
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
              Friend nothing is wrong with us, the wrong is with you. When someone breaks a traffic law, they're just fined , no one is beaten or killed. There is no problem with God's Law, the problem is when people like you say they're following God's Law when really they're following their own interpretation. That's why God will handle his Laws. God never says you have to beat or kill people to make them obey his laws. God will handle people in the afterlife. Secular laws you don't have to hurt people to correct them. Real God wouldn't allow such laws
              I never compared traffic laws with the other laws. I was just giving you example of implementation but you actually want to say that in Islam there are no laws and so no punishments. Yeah we know that mutazillah have such beliefs.
              You actually want the Muslims to become like Christians where there is no laws and so no punishments according to them but remember Islam is not Christianity. Islam is a religion of Beliefs, Ethics and laws and their implementation. The prophet and khulafa e Rashideen gave punishments to the criminals. How can you deny them Mr. Logic and Reason ?

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              • #52
                You don't need to do cruel things to punish people for doing bad, there are other ways to handle things. a person can go to jail or pay a fine or end up socially ostracized. The difference is, they're not tortured or killed.

                Even in Shari'ah there is a rule called "mustalah bil ma'ruf" which indicates that if you can choose not to punish use hadd, you should do it. But you're obsessed with hadd, it's almost psychotic. You just wat to kill and butcher people and make yourself feel good about it by saying they're God's laws.



                The Khulafa were human beings, they made mistakes, if you want to follow God's law, start with yourself first. When you become perfect then you can tell us to do the same.
                Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 06-05-2012, 05:19 PM.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                  You don't need to do cruel things to punish people for doing bad, there are other ways to handle things. a person can go to jail or pay a fine or end up socially ostracized. The difference is, they're not tortured or killed.

                  Even in Shari'ah there is a rule called "mustalah bil ma'ruf" which indicates that if you can choose not to punish use hadd, you should do it. But you're obsessed with hadd, it's almost psychotic. You just wat to kill and butcher people and make yourself feel good about it by saying they're God's laws.

                  The laws of God are not cruel so be careful.
                  Can you show me a list of Ahaadees or Quranic verses where people have committed crimes and the prophet have said that these people should not be punished for their crimes because it is up to Allah and will be dealt with in the hereafter ? How many people were pardoned on the basis of this YOUR logic or whatever ? How many murderers have been released or given any other punishment other than capital punishment ? How many rapists have been released or imprisoned other than giving capital punishment or given lashes ? how many thieves have been released or given any other punishment than cutting his hand ? and so on.

                  The Khulafa were human beings, they made mistakes, if you want to follow God's law, start with yourself first. When you become perfect then you can tell us to do the same.
                  What about Prophet Muhammad pbuh ?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Friend View Post
                    What about Prophet Muhammad pbuh ?


                    Of course God's laws aren't cruel that is why he made strict regulations on how to apply them. That is why you need 4 witnesses, even if you're missing 1 witness you can't punish

                    why did God do this? because he wanted to show that it would be impossible for humans to have something like that.

                    You just have to use your brain a bit to see that.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      Of course God's laws aren't cruel that is why he made strict regulations on how to apply them. That is why you need 4 witnesses, even if you're missing 1 witness you can't punish

                      why did God do this? because he wanted to show that it would be impossible for humans to have something like that.

                      You just have to use your brain a bit to see that.
                      You did not answer my question mr. logic ?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Friend View Post
                        You did not answer my question mr. logic ?


                        read the hadith about the man who confessed zina, he told him to go away and then he came back. He was trying to find a reason to avoid it.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          read the hadith about the man who confessed zina, he told him to go away and then he came back. He was trying to find a reason to avoid it.
                          This is 0.001% of what I asked. So your answer can't satisfy any human being with that amount of answer. When you do debate you don't get tired of giving reasons and arguments. This PF is half loaded with your words and arguments so we expect such explaination with solid proofs in this case. The answer should be at least 80% of what I asked. 0.001% is too minor yar.
                          Last edited by Friend; 06-05-2012, 06:00 PM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Friend View Post
                            This is 0.001% of what I asked. So your answer can't satisfy any human being with that amount of answer.


                            But it answers your question Muhammad(saw) rather avoid the punishment than do the punishment.

                            So actually we're folllowing Muhammad(saw), you're followiing Shayukh
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              But it answers your question Muhammad(saw) rather avoid the punishment than do the punishment.

                              So actually we're folllowing Muhammad(saw), you're followiing Shayukh
                              takrra sha. takhta ma. jawab rakrra.

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                              • #60
                                already did, go look up this hadith it is well known.


                                You just dont like to admit it because you're obsessed with hadd.

                                Any person who likes to see people get harmed has something wrong with them.
                                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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