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YOU SAY SHARI'A IS BARBARIC ? Ustadh Murtaza Khan

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  • #31
    ^I don't symphatize, I just find wrong to kill someone for that.
    Why are you bringing evolution in to this? Evolution also can aprove this behaviour, becuase Darwin said evolution is controlled by female species, becuase the males compite whith each other and then the female choose the strongest male to mate. So if a woman is married of to an ugly weak man, were she totaly have no desire for, she can cheat whith a more handsome and stronger male, becuase from evolution point of vieuw she want to have strong and healthy children, than can survive ilness.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
      Well I don't know about your assessment

      but whatever the case, unregulated sexual behavior is not suitable for human society.
      Having sex without marriage is haraam in Islam and there are different punishments at different levels. In western societies having sex is not forbidden no matter whoever are you having with, except for the rape, even for rape they have try their level best to minimise the punishments which comes to a few years.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Friend View Post
        So you mean Taliban should not be killed ??? (from your point of view)


        Well if Taliban are shooting at civilians and about to do a suicide bombing; unfortunately we have no other choice.

        But if we can capture Taliban and reform them psychologically, re-educate them; that is the best strategy. AFter all they're our brothers too, they just lost their minds and became misguided.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
          Well if Taliban are shooting at civilians and about to do a suicide bombing; unfortunately we have no other choice.

          But if we can capture Taliban and reform them psychologically, re-educate them; that is the best strategy. AFter all they're our brothers too, they just lost their minds and became misguided.
          Aaaaan then why you said that even a murderer should not be killed for his crime ? is it not a double standard ?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Khostai View Post
            ^I don't symphatize, I just find wrong to kill someone for that.
            Why are you bringing evolution in to this? Evolution also can aprove this behaviour, becuase Darwin said evolution is controlled by female species, becuase the males compite whith each other and then the female choose the strongest male to mate. So if a woman is married of to an ugly weak man, were she totaly have no desire for, she can cheat whith a more handsome and stronger male, becuase from evolution point of vieuw she want to have strong and healthy children, than can survive ilness.


            Half Right; Women do choose stronger mate ( in general abilities) , but Males also in competition choose to control more females; So as stronger males increased, female selection deceased. The Stronger males eventually had control and to maintain their mating access to more females; started implementing certain strategies. Eventually males killed or penalized unfaithful women, and eventually they were selected out. As this would affect his evolutionary fitness to increase his chances of having more healthy offspring. Modern Human came from this pattern of mate selection; and they were able to determine that from the brain structure; because these males who did this had more powerful brains and physical abilities.
            Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 05-26-2012, 11:22 AM.
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Friend View Post
              Aaaaan then why you said that even a murderer should not be killed for his crime ? is it not a double standard ?


              No, because the murderer already did the crime and it can't be changed; The Taliban is ABOUT to do the crime; if we can save him good. But if he is shooting, how can you stop that? Maybe a tranquilizer dart? Sharp shooter? But often times it can't be stopped, so the only method left is killing him, if they can avoid killing him then that's best though.
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                No, because the murderer already did the crime and it can't be changed; The Taliban is ABOUT to do the crime; if we can save him good. But if he is shooting, how can you stop that? Maybe a tranquilizer dart? Sharp shooter? But often times it can't be stopped, so the only method left is killing him, if they can avoid killing him then that's best though.
                loooooooool so you think that taliban have not killed anyone yet but they are going to do such means the murder that is going to happen in Afghanistan will be the first ever murder by the taliban ????????????????

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Friend View Post
                  loooooooool so you think that taliban have not killed anyone yet but they are going to do such means the murder that is going to happen in Afghanistan will be the first ever murder by the taliban ????????????????

                  No, I'm saying if you see a Taliban shooting people or doing crimes; how can you stop someone in the act of a crime without killing them?
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                    Half Right; Women do choose stronger mate ( in general abilities) , but Males also in competition choose to control more females; so eventually it became bottle necked, and less selective women emerged. The Stronger males eventually had control and to maintain their mating access to more females; started implementing certain strategies. Eventually males killed or penalized unfaithful women, and eventually they were selected out. As this would affect his evolutionary fitness to increase his chances of having more healthy offspring. Modern Human came from this pattern of mate selection; and they were able to determine that from the brain structure; because these males who did this had more powerful brains and physical abilities.
                    we are talking about cheating, that is secretaly doing whith other man, and by the way from scientific studies have shown that women tend to cheat more or want more than men, its basicaly chnaged the position of women from openly choosing to a secretly one, some women still have children whith other man that are raised by the other, they are not singled out, they just chnaged there tactics....To a sneaky one...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      No, I'm saying if you see a Taliban shooting people or doing crimes; how can you stop someone in the act of a crime without killing them?
                      Where it is written in the Quran that you should not kill a murderer who have already killed someone and you should the one who is going to kill someone on the basis that no one can stop him ?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Friend View Post
                        Having sex without marriage is haraam in Islam and there are different punishments at different levels. In western societies having sex is not forbidden no matter whoever are you having with, except for the rape, even for rape they have try their level best to minimise the punishments which comes to a few years.


                        We both the western view and the view of people who do not fully understand the Shari'ah are wrong.

                        Nabi(saw) allowed stoning in time when people had no standards of behavior what so ever. People in Afghanistan aren't going around having premarital sex too often.

                        Even during the communist era, women were wearing skirts, they still didn't do such things.

                        Your argument is just irrational delusions.

                        Let the western people do what they do, they're not Muslims we are not in charge of them, I don't agree with what they do, but as long as they don't try to promote their ideas on Muslims it should not be an issue.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                          we are talking about cheating, that is secretaly doing whith other man, and by the way from scientific studies have shown that women tend to cheat more or want more than men, its basicaly chnaged the position of women from openly choosing to a secretly one, some women still have children whith other man that are raised by the other, they are not singled out, they just chnaged there tactics....To a sneaky one...
                          LOOOOOOOOOOOOOl we are talking about cheating... We are discussing adultery. Adultery does not mean cheating. It is totally different thing.
                          Where have you studied my friend ?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Friend View Post
                            Where it is written in the Quran that you should not kill a murderer who have already killed someone and you should the one who is going to kill someone on the basis that no one can stop him ?

                            It's simple logic; if someone is shooting people or about to detonate a bomb, how else do you stop him?

                            You don't need the Qur2an to tell you that.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              It's simple logic; if someone is shooting people or about to detonate a bomb, how else do you stop him?

                              You don't need the Qur2an to tell you that.
                              Don't run away... Answer my question and quote the Quran please.
                              Quran talks about Qisaas, eye for eye, head for head. Where have you got your ideas from ?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Friend View Post
                                LOOOOOOOOOOOOOl we are talking about cheating... We are discussing adultery. Adultery does not mean cheating. It is totally different thing.
                                Where have you studied my friend ?
                                Are you really that dum, imbecil, the whole discussion began when you monkey asked what I would do if my wife went whith other man, I replayed divorce, and now suddenly you say the discussion is about adultery and not cheating,
                                for you information cheating and adultery is almost the same, the difrence is, is that whith one you are already married and the other is when you are not, but still its about sex outside a marriage.

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