shias and their false belief's

[MazloomyarMaseed]

like what for example

Please read the following Links:-

http://www.historycommons.org/entity...ty_of_nebraska

http://www.unl.edu/eskridge/encyclopedia.html

http://saludada.wordpress.com/2009/0...y-of-nebraska/

http://prince.org/msg/105/335833

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sacw/fun...mJuly2003.html

"By 1984, the University of Nebraska, through a $51 million USAID
grant, joined the Mujahideen war against the Red Army. The
University's Centre for Afghanistan Studies produced literature in
Pashtu and Dari indoctrinating Afghan children with fanaticism and bigotry. According to The Washington Post of 23 March 2003, Afghan children were "taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles and land mines." In Qur'aanic lessons, Mujahideen were shown the path to heaven by killing a handful of 'godless Russians"

If you are a True Muslim who exposes those who insult Islam, then what makes you think the version of Islam wasnt produced by the University of Nebraska?

[abubaker]

Please read the following Links:-

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=university_of_nebraska

http://www.unl.edu/eskridge/encyclopedia.html

http://saludada.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/jihad-brought-to-you-by-the-university-of-nebraska/

http://prince.org/msg/105/335833

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sacw/fund/FSaleemJuly2003.html

"By 1984, the University of Nebraska, through a $51 million USAID
grant, joined the Mujahideen war against the Red Army. The
University's Centre for Afghanistan Studies produced literature in
Pashtu and Dari indoctrinating Afghan children with fanaticism and bigotry. According to The Washington Post of 23 March 2003, Afghan children were "taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles and land mines." In Qur'aanic lessons, Mujahideen were shown the path to heaven by killing a handful of 'godless Russians"

If you are a True Muslim who exposes those who insult Islam, then what makes you think the version of Islam wasnt produced by the University of Nebraska?

so what we took thire money and used it to fight the soviets, islam does not prohibit you to use one kufar resources against kufar, its a problem if its used against muslim

seriously fighting jihad against an invading kufar army is part of islam, are you telling me that the afgahns fought the ussr becasue of those text books

dont forget the jihad had started before the the us involvement

[Roshina]

Threads like these will only lead to conflict..some pakhtuns are shiites too..

I wish they'd join this site and actually speak up for themselves. I really, REALLY do. Bangash are mostly Shiites. Where are yooooooou guys!!!

Abubakar wrora what is there to gain out of criticising the Shiites? Are they not muslims? Do they not believe in the Allah and our dear prophet (SAW)? Their kalimah is near enough same as us but only believe that Ali (RA) was the first caliphate. Out of 73 sects of islam only ONE will go jannah who knows we may be wrong? We leave the deciding and criticising to Allah.

I agree - except for one part: "Their kalimah is near enough same as us but only believe that Ali (RA) was the first caliphate."

Their kalimah doesn't say Ali was the first khalifa; it says, along with everything else that Sunnis say, "Ali is the walee of Allah." Many translate that to mean "friend," others say the chosen one, etc. But I guess, yeah, it must be "khalifah" to some others as well. But the actual Arabic term is "walee."

Oh, and as far as who's Muslim and who's not is concerned, only the Salafis/Wahhabis are Muslims and no one else. Of course, I don't agree with this. But this is their mentality, shared by many other types of Muslims as well... or people of religion in general. Every sect believes it's the correct/original one while all the others are deviants and wrong! lol. Over time, it starts to just become another sick cliche: "The Shiites are not Muslims!" or "Let's expose the Shiites' wrong/false beliefs!" or something that makes Shiites another "religion" or "sect" while making Sunnis "Muslims"! I see this so often. Go to any pro-Sunni and anti-Shiite website, and it'll have sections that are something like, "Women in Islam" and another section that says "Women in Shiism"! And you're like, "WHAT?!" Why not replace "Islam" with Sunnism then? But, obviously, they're claiming that Sunnism = Islam while Shiism = something else, something that's not Islam.

As I said earlier, 1400+ years of history, and we STILL don't know how to talk to each other (Shiites to Sunnis and vice versa), we STILL don't know what the other side really believes.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

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so what we took thire money and used it to fight the soviets, islam does not prohibit you to use one kufar resources against kufar, its a problem if its used against muslim

It wasnt the money, it was the books and litrature published by a Kaffir. You truely are a great example of the thick rope that is bringing Pashtuns backwards. Just from what you said, proves my point, that our root problem is people such as you.

Usual Illogical mumbo jumbo, I bet you can not even accept the fact that ISI probably has made you think like this. You go on about Shia this and Shia books say this, yet you couldnt even be brave enough to accept the fact, that people such as you, do not follow Islam, but follow the Islam made by the University of Nebraska, and if you want to satisfy your fellow Afghans stupidity in listening to ISI in the first place by saying Islam allows resources from Kuffur to fight Russians, then go ahead, we saw what happened when Soviets fled, and we saw those who yelled Takbeeer turned out to be nothing but ISI brainwashed Terrorists.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

so what we took thire money and used it to fight the soviets, islam does not prohibit you to use one kufar resources against kufar, its a problem if its used against muslim

seriously fighting jihad against an invading kufar army is part of islam, are you telling me that the afgahns fought the ussr becasue of those text books

dont forget the jihad had started before the the us involvement

hahaha the so called Jihad started when Ahmad Shah Masood and Hekmatyar and Jamiet Dissendents were trained by Zulfiqar Ali bhutto in Peshawer to overthrow the Afghan government before any Russians step a foot on Afghan Soil.

I just cant beleive, with so much truth and resouces, you are still following a so called "temporary Ideology"

Kind Regards

[abubaker]

btw, why dont you post those books here so we can see for our self what you are taliking about

[abubaker]

It wasnt the money, it was the books and litrature published by a Kaffir. You truely are a great example of the thick rope that is bringing Pashtuns backwards. Just from what you said, proves my point, that our root problem is people such as you.

Usual Illogical mumbo jumbo, I bet you can not even accept the fact that ISI probably has made you think like this. You go on about Shia this and Shia books say this, yet you couldnt even be brave enough to accept the fact, that people such as you, do not follow Islam, but follow the Islam made by the University of Nebraska, and if you want to satisfy your fellow Afghans stupidity in listening to ISI in the first place by saying Islam allows resources from Kuffur to fight Russians, then go ahead, we saw what happened when Soviets fled, and we saw those who yelled Takbeeer turned out to be nothing but ISI brainwashed Terrorists.

Kind Regards

like i said post those books so we can see what your taling about until you that i am not gona reply to you

[abubaker]

I wish they'd join this site and actually speak up for themselves. I really, REALLY do. Bangash are mostly Shiites. Where are yooooooou guys!!!



I agree - except for one part: "Their kalimah is near enough same as us but only believe that Ali (RA) was the first caliphate."

Their kalimah doesn't say Ali was the first khalifa; it says, along with everything else that Sunnis say, "Ali is the walee of Allah." Many translate that to mean "friend," others say the chosen one, etc. But I guess, yeah, it must be "khalifah" to some others as well. But the actual Arabic term is "walee."

Oh, and as far as who's Muslim and who's not is concerned, only the Salafis/Wahhabis are Muslims and no one else. Of course, I don't agree with this. But this is their mentality, shared by many other types of Muslims as well... or people of religion in general. Every sect believes it's the correct/original one while all the others are deviants and wrong! lol. Over time, it starts to just become another sick cliche: "The Shiites are not Muslims!" or "Let's expose the Shiites' wrong/false beliefs!" or something that makes Shiites another "religion" or "sect" while making Sunnis "Muslims"! I see this so often. Go to any pro-Sunni and anti-Shiite website, and it'll have sections that are something like, "Women in Islam" and another section that says "Women in Shiism"! And you're like, "WHAT?!" Why not replace "Islam" with Sunnism then? But, obviously, they're claiming that Sunnism = Islam while Shiism = something else, something that's not Islam.

As I said earlier, 1400+ years of history, and we STILL don't know how to talk to each other (Shiites to Sunnis and vice versa), we STILL don't know what the other side really believes.

so you find anything wrong them cometing shirk, just like you said to hindu pashtun that your not doing any thing wrong by worshiping idols ''cant remember what thread it was''

you wouldnt accept the truth even if hit you in the face everything you say reaks of western attitude towards islam

[شمله ور خراساني]

to qrratugai and osho, shirk is just a matter of opinion. They think shirk cannot be defined by the consepts derived from Qur'an or hadith. They think every person is entitled to label himself as a monotheist. Even a hindu who visits pantheons every day.

[king-zazai]

o qurtagi jsut got shut out in this thread :p hehehe like she alwys does but good try


by the way if u defend them it means u agree with them so in the end u R one of them if agree 2 them so u r doing kufr 2 by defeding thier wrong belifs may allah(swa) guide u lost 1

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This thread made me sad.

The approach is very hateful.

[king-zazai]

We shias dont hate you sunnis.

YEs u guys do hate us and 2 of the greatest companions of the prophet(saw) if u dont follow ur "rulz" then ur not a real shia ur sumthing else dont no mabye a modifyed shia cause its in ur books 2 swear at abu bakr as umar ibn khtaab(ra)


shia's r a JEWISHHH created innovation shirk haram sect

[Pakhtunzai]

like i said iam not hear to give takfir on the shia mases. its a duty ofevry muslim to expose those who are distorting Allahs religion, i dont intend to gain any thing from thi politically or financially but only Allahs pleasure that is more then the world for me

Wrora I tell you that this is NOT the way to do this, where you expose their wrongs and other people take the mickey out of it..As the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and so on they don't see the truth in Islam and other religions as we reject theirs straight away. Threads like these will only promote hate upon muslims whatever the sect we are and breed anger. The prophet SAW himself preached his religion in peace and DID not criticise other religions by exposing their wrongs. If he did such a thing it would have caused more objection and islam wouldn't exist.

If we are right then lets preach our sunni way peacefully and let other people realise that this is the truth. It pains me to see 1 brother hate another because of sect differences. In my college days where we used to pray some brothers used to call others wahabi and wouldn't even pray in the same room as them. I was disgusted..if we can't respect our own brothers and sisters how do we expect outsiders to?

Whatever wrongs they do its not down to me or others to judge that they are wrong..leave all this for the day of qiyamaah we will see whos right or wrong. Wrora I'm not putting you down just merely saying this for your own good..just think about it.

YEs u guys do hate us and 2 of the greatest companions of the prophet(saw) if u dont follow ur "rulz" then ur not a real shia ur sumthing else dont no mabye a modifyed shia cause its in ur books 2 swear at abu bakr as umar ibn khtaab(ra)


shia's r a JEWISHHH created innovation shirk haram sect

Zazai jan please..this is NOT the way, calling muslims non-muslims will only breed trouble..preach with peace

I wish they'd join this site and actually speak up for themselves. I really, REALLY do. Bangash are mostly Shiites. Where are yooooooou guys!!!



I agree - except for one part: "Their kalimah is near enough same as us but only believe that Ali (RA) was the first caliphate."

Their kalimah doesn't say Ali was the first khalifa; it says, along with everything else that Sunnis say, "Ali is the walee of Allah." Many translate that to mean "friend," others say the chosen one, etc. But I guess, yeah, it must be "khalifah" to some others as well. But the actual Arabic term is "walee."

Oh, and as far as who's Muslim and who's not is concerned, only the Salafis/Wahhabis are Muslims and no one else. Of course, I don't agree with this. But this is their mentality, shared by many other types of Muslims as well... or people of religion in general. Every sect believes it's the correct/original one while all the others are deviants and wrong! lol. Over time, it starts to just become another sick cliche: "The Shiites are not Muslims!" or "Let's expose the Shiites' wrong/false beliefs!" or something that makes Shiites another "religion" or "sect" while making Sunnis "Muslims"! I see this so often. Go to any pro-Sunni and anti-Shiite website, and it'll have sections that are something like, "Women in Islam" and another section that says "Women in Shiism"! And you're like, "WHAT?!" Why not replace "Islam" with Sunnism then? But, obviously, they're claiming that Sunnism = Islam while Shiism = something else, something that's not Islam.

As I said earlier, 1400+ years of history, and we STILL don't know how to talk to each other (Shiites to Sunnis and vice versa), we STILL don't know what the other side really believes.

I agree khor but the Salaf/"wahabi" do consider others as muslim too, they have some really good points as well and I respect them for that. There are extremists in every sect that do this which is totally wrong.

[شمله ور خراساني]

This thread made me sad.

The approach is very hateful.

Shi'as are taught to hate and declare anyone a kaafir who does not believe in Imamah.

And Shi'as often do taqqiya. They lie about their true intentions and their beliefs.

[IamDZJ]

Shi'as are taught to hate and declare anyone a kaafir who does not believe in Imamah.

And Shi'as often do taqqiya. They lie about their true intentions and their beliefs.

are you a shia?
if not, are you sure you are not just bsing?