shias and their false belief's

[Badlun]

In all the above posts of sangar Wror I dont find any where where Shias say that they dont believe in Allah and they dont believe in the prophet. the kalma tayyba.

Shias strongly believe in Imams so do Sunnis with some differences. Shias great Imam Jafar Sadiq was the teacher of Imam Abu hanifa. If shias believe in Ilham for imams , I believe the same not only for Imams but for any one as ilham or intuition is the direct knowledge received from God or nature without senses. This is a kind of extra sensual perception. Messanger can be any one like an Imam or any one one who convey messages but prophets are distininguished as they receive revelation and shias believe in that. I dont find a single convincing argument which make shias non muslims.

Shias love the family of the prophet. So do Sunnis. The differencew were mainly political as shias wanted Ali to be the first caliph but Abu bakar was selected at that time. All this political game even witnessed the battles between Ayesha and Ali and even the grandson of Muhammad was killed. The same game is going on till today between Saudi , other Arabs and Iran in the name of wahabism and shiasm and hence tjis propaganda of wahabis against shias.

If kafi or any book of shias talk of health or sex then there is nothing bad in that. These are individual experiences narrated in words.

[abubaker]

What is the main problem with Shia?

Al-Kafi fil-Usool, where it
states: Chapter: The Imams know when they will die, and
they only die by their choice. (Al-Kafi p.258) and Chapter:
The Imams have knowledge of the past and future; and
nothing is hidden from them. (Al-Kafi p.260) To hold that
the Imams know their time of death goes against the
Quranic teachings where is says : “Verily the knowledge of
the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He who sends down
rain, and it is he that knows what is in the wombs. Nor does
anyone know what it is that he will earn tomorrow, nor
does anyone know in what land he is to die. Verily with
Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all
things)"(31:34)

[abubaker]

The Imami Shia consider the Imams to be utterly infallible,
incapable of even the slightest error. Their books are filled
with narrations in this regards, and this goes against the
affirmation of the uniqueness of God in attributes since
only He is free of errors. The Imams are thought to have
absolute and infinite knowledge, and this is clearly seen in
the chapter headings of one their primary and most prominent
hadeeth compilation , Al-Kafi fil-Usool, where it
states: Chapter: The Imams know when they will die, and
they only die by their choice. (Al-Kafi p.258) and Chapter:
The Imams have knowledge of the past and future; and
nothing is hidden from them. (Al-Kafi p.260) To hold that
the Imams know their time of death goes against the
Quranic teachings where is says : “Verily the knowledge of
the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He who sends down
rain, and it is he that knows what is in the wombs. Nor does
anyone know what it is that he will earn tomorrow, nor
does anyone know in what land he is to die. Verily with
Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all
things)"(31:34)
Besides Shirk in Ruboobiyah, the Imami Shi’ites have also
fallen into associating partners in the worship of Allah,
Shirk in Uloohiya of Allah in other words. Instead of calling
to Allah, they direct their supplications, with trust, reliance,
hope and fear, to their Imams who are invoked in
such words as “Ya Ali Madad”, “Ya Mahdi Adrikni”, “ Ya
Abal Fadhl”, “Ya Hussein”, etc. Their scholar Mulla Baqir
al Majlisi in his compilation of Bihar al Anwar defines the
Imams as , “O pillars of the countries, gates of faith, and
granters of donations, it is decreed that by you the distressed
and destitute will be saved. Nothing can happen
without you being a reason and an obvious way towards its
occurrence. There is neither deliverance nor resort from
fear except by taking shelter in you, and there is no way we
can dispense with you… O eyes of God that never relent”
(Bihar Al-Anwa’r, 37/94) Not only are they referred as
Eyes of God, but also as His face in the Shi’ite sources like
al-Kafi, thus having them considered as attributes of God.
Supplication to these Imam is without doubt an act of Shirk
in matters of worship. The Quran teaches, “Verily those
whom ye call upon besides Allah are servants like unto
you. Call upon them, and let them listen to your prayers, if
ye are (indeed) truthful! (7: 194) and Allah[swt] says : “Yet
have they taken, besides Him, gods that can create nothing
but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or
good to themselves; nor can they control Death nor Life nor
Resurrection.” (25: 03) and He says, ““Now if they embark
on a boat, they call on Allah, making their devotion sincerely
(and exclusively) to Him. But when He has delivered
them safely to (dry) land, behold, they give a share (of their
worship to others)! (29: 65) "Allah commands you not to
take two gods. God is only One; hence fear Me.

its time for fajr so ill post the rest of it tomorrow

[Roshina]

An intresting question to the imami shias would be:

If your imams as you claim have knowledge of their death beforehand and choose the method of how they die, how come many of them died by poisining? They had the knowledge that was given to them was poisonous but they still didn't refuse it. Isn't that suicide?

When/if you ask them that -- and don't think it hasn't been asked before, wrora lol -- their answer should be:

"I cannot change what fate has in store for me. If God has so willed that I will die at such and such time, I cannot avoid that." In other words, if the Imam is going to die of poisoning (of course, it's not true in all or even most cases) at 5:08pm on Friday, he should not avoid that place just because he's afraid he'll die. He'll die either way, whether he tries to avoid it or not.

Get a Shiite book on this -- there's tonnnnnnnnnnnnns of material on this exact same topic, wrora. And don't turn to Sunni sources to get your answers, because they won't answer your questions: They'll only brainwash you against Shiites further and further.

[Roshina]

In all the above posts of sangar Wror I dont find any where where Shias say that they dont believe in Allah and they dont believe in the prophet. the kalma tayyba.

Shias strongly believe in Imams so do Sunnis with some differences. Shias great Imam Jafar Sadiq was the teacher of Imam Abu hanifa. If shias believe in Ilham for imams , I believe the same not only for Imams but for any one as ilham or intuition is the direct knowledge received from God or nature without senses. This is a kind of extra sensual perception. Messanger can be any one like an Imam or any one one who convey messages but prophets are distininguished as they receive revelation and shias believe in that. I dont find a single convincing argument which make shias non muslims.

Shias love the family of the prophet. So do Sunnis. The differencew were mainly political as shias wanted Ali to be the first caliph but Abu bakar was selected at that time. All this political game even witnessed the battles between Ayesha and Ali and even the grandson of Muhammad was killed. The same game is going on till today between Saudi , other Arabs and Iran in the name of wahabism and shiasm and hence tjis propaganda of wahabis against shias.

If kafi or any book of shias talk of health or sex then there is nothing bad in that. These are individual experiences narrated in words.

Exactly!!

I don't understand why some of us are pasting articles/material from Sunni (no, wait, extremist Sunni and/or Wahhabi AND anti-Shiite) sources and making it seem like they're *our* perspectives. Please, use your own mind and be more critical, will you?

In every single line of the above-pasted articles/points, I find at least one hole. But because we're clearly not here to learn, I'm not going to waste my time pointing them out. I'll share a thought here and there where I feel it's needed, but otherwise, there's no use explaining to Wahhabis why Shiite Islam is perfectly fine, even better than the one you're practicing or believing or preaching or proselytizing.

[Roshina]

OK, thats a good explanation. BUT as quoted above by abu bakr, "the imams choose when and how they die". This means they could have delayed and chosen not to die by poisining. But almost half or more of the 12 died by this method. Many of them young. The 11th imam died when he son was 5 or didn't even have a son according to his own brother. Wouldn't it have been better if he left his shias with a clear successor?

Here, what you're doing is taking the the statements of people and assuming that this is what their teachings say. That's not the case at all, wrora. Just because people SAY that "We don't know how this Imam died, but it's likely that he died of poisoning" doesn't mean it's a fact. Shiite scholars actually say this out loud. No one ever says, "It's a fact: Most of the Imams died of poisoning!" No, that's an assumption, and they admit that.

I have a PDF version of a book on the lives of the Twelve Imams. Of course, it'd be silly of anyone to accept it all as facts, but it'd still benefit us to read that to get an understanding of Shiism from the point of view of Shiites themselves. I'll try to figure out a way to post it on PF in case you're interested.

You should also read this book called Islamic Legal Orthodoxy: Twelver Shiite Responses to the Sunni Legal System by Devin J. Stewart.

There are a ton of others, mostly Intro to Shiism and such, so if you're interested, lemme know and I'll list them all.

BUT ... by the way ... bringing up the whole poisoning thing has nothing to do with Islam itself. How does that prove or show that Shiism is wrong?

And as far as leaving successors is concerned, the fact is: We don't know when/if they did leave successors! Even if they did, the group would fall into more sects (and Shiites are divided into many, many sub-branches, every SINGLE one because of the whole idea of successorship) -- just like how Sunnis and Shiites divided in the very beginning. Shiites say that that the Prophet did designate Ali as his successor (and there is evidence to support this), but the Sunnis say, no, he didn't.

So, just like we fought from the very beginning, it's not unlikely that we would continue the fight afterwards and say, "NO! The 11th Imam didn't designate a successor!" while another side would say, "Yes, he did! It's my son!" etc.

[abubaker]

Alkafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKileeni ( a VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H ) . Alkafi is a collection of Hadiths attributed to the prophet Muhamad p.b.u.h and The Infallible Imams -according to Shia- and like AhlSunnah, who give much importance to their Hadith book ( Saheeh AlBukhari ), Shia give the same or maybe even more importance to their Book ( Alkafi ) . Unlike AhlSunnah who call AlBukhari's Book as ( Saheeh AlBukhari ), Shia do not call Alkafi as ( Saheeh AlKafi ), nevertheless, Shia treat AlKafi as it is ( Saheeh ) and their most reliable scholars declare it as a ( Saheeh ) .

* Here are some of the Shia most reliable Scholars' sayings about AlKafi :

[1] AlHur Al'amily said " The authors of the Four Books of shia ( Alkafi , AlIstibsaar , AlTahzeeb , Mun La YahDuruHu Alfaqeeh ) have testified that the Hadiths of their books are accurate (saheeh) , firm and well conducted from the roots that all shia agreed on , and if you consider those scholars ( the authors of the four books ) are reliable then you must accept their sayings and their narrations . " [ Alwasa'el , volume 20 , page 104 ]

[2] Sharaf'Deen AbdulHussain Mosawy said : " Alkafi , AlIsTibSaar , AlTahzeeb and Mun La YahduRuHu Alfaqeeh are *MutawaTirah* and agreed on the acuraty of its contents ( the Hadiths ) , and Alkafi is the oldest , greatest , best and the most accurate one of them " . [ The book of AlMuraja'aat , Muraj'ah number 110 ] ..... MutawaTirah = accurate 100% because it was narrated by many narrators .

[3] Muhammad Sadiq AlSaDr said : " Although The Shia are on the unanimity of that The four books ( Alkafi , AlIsTibSaar , AlTahzeeb and Mun La YahduRuHu Alfaqeeh ) are accepted and *all* the narrations in them are accurate ( Saheeh ), But they did not call them by the name ( Sihaah ) like AhlSunnah did ." . [ The Book of shia "Kitab alshia" page 127 ]

[4] AlTabRassy said : " Alkafi among the four shia books ( AlTahzeeb , Alkafi , AlIsTibSar , mun la YahDuruhu Alfaqeeh ) is like the sun among the stars , and who looked fairly would not need to notice the position of the men in the chain of hadiths in this Book , and if you looked fairly you would feel satisfied and sure that the hadiths are firm and accurate . " [ MusTaDrak AlWasa'el , volume 3 , page 532 ]

[5] AlKhomeini said : " Do you think it is enough for our religious life to have its laws summed up in AlKafi and then placed upon a shelf?" [ Al-Hukumah Al-Islamiyyah page 72 ]

Now, I think each and everyone of us is interested to know what this Book ( Alkafi ) contains, the book that made all those Shia Scholars praise it and recommend it, actually even blamed their followers for not applying more effort of studying and research as AlKhomeini said in his book ( Al-Hukumah Al-Islamiyyah page 72 ) !! .

* EXAMPLES of the CONTENTS of AlKafi :

[1] Chapter: The Imams have knowledge of All that was given to the angels and the prophets. ( AlKafi vol.1 p.255 )

[2] Chapter: The Imams know when they will die, and they only die by their choice. ( AlKafi vol.1 p.258 )

[3] Chapter: The Imams have knowledge of the past and future; and nothing is hidden from them. ( AlKafi vol.1 p.260 )

COMMENT: No doubt that these words are clear Kufr (Disbelief) and Shirk (Polytheism), because the knowledge of the unseen is only for Allah alone .. These words with no doubt countradict what Allah said in Surah Luqmaan "Verily, Allah With Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tommorow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things)" [Quran 31:34]

[4] "Obedience to `Ali is true humility and disobedience to him is disbelief in Allah" ( AlKafi vol.10 p.54 )

[5] "Whoever sets up another Imam besides `Ali and delays `Ali's caliphate is a polytheist" ( AlKafi vol.10 p.55 )

COMMENT: These words declare all AhlSunnah as kufaar (Disbelievers) and Mushrikeen (Polytheists), because we -AhlSunnah- do not believe in the Shia Imamate of `Ali ( which is believing that `Ali is Infallible,..etc ) also We -AhlSunnah- believe that Abubakr (r) is the first caliphate, Omar (r) the second and Othman (r) the third, thus, We delay `Ali's caliphate to be the 4th after Abubakr,Omar and Othman, thus, Shia declare in their most reliable book that AhlSunnah are Kufaar and Mushrikeen !!!

[6] The false verse "And We made `Ali your in-law" has been added to Surah Al-InShirah . ( AlKafi p.289 )

[7] Alkileeni reported that Jabir asked AbuJa`far p.b.u.h : "Why `Ali ibn Aby Talib was named Amir-ul-Mumineen?" AbuJa`far replied : "Allah named him so, and He revealed in His Book " And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed and made them testify as to themselves (saying): Am I not your Lord, Muhammad my messenger and `Ali Amir-ul-Mumineen ?..." ( AlKafi vol.1 p.412 )

COMMENT: We all know that "Muhammad my messenger and `Ali Amir-ul-Mumineen" is not part of the Quranic verse [Quran 7:172], but as you just read, AlKileeni narrated in his book AlKafi that the Infallible Imam -according to Shia- ( AbuJa`far ) said that the verse [Quran 7:172] was revealed by Allah with "Muhammad my messenger and `Ali Amir-ul-Mumineen", This is a serious claim by Shia that the Quran was changed and corrupted !!! This is a serious "Tahreef" of the Holy Quran ... and please continue reading :

[8] "Abu Baseer reported that he said to Imam Ja'far, "O Abu Abdullah(Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq) What is Mus-haf Fatimah?" He replied "It is a Qur'an containing three times what is found in your copy of the Qur'an; yet by Allah, it does not contain even a single letter from your Qur'an. ( AlKafi vol.1 p.457 )

After, We have read some examples of what AlKafi ( The MOST reliable Shia Book ) contains, I am sure that many of you will say to themselves "If the MOST reliable book to Shia contains such extreme kufr (Disbelief) and shirk (Polytheism) that it alone is sufficient to push anyone who believes in it into the Hellfire for eternity, Then -you may say- what about the other Shia books !!?", The other Shia books are even WORSE !!!

Take for example their Tafseer Books !!! The Books that should have put to explain Allah's words !!! The Shia Scholars filled it with filthy interpretations that may and will make you feel sick !!!

The most known Tafseer books are 1.Tafseer AlQumy 2.Tafseer Al-Ayashi 3.Tafseer AlBurhan by Albahraani ( a Well known Shia Scholar ) !!!

I will quote few things from Tafseer AlAyashi and Tafseer AlBurhan, and from the Shia Hadith encyclopedia called ( Bihaar Al-Anwaar ) which is -by Allah- a filthy and satanic work of one of the MOST reliable and respected Shia Scholars ever existed, whom they call ( Sheikh al-Islam alHujah Mula Muhamad baqir alMajlisi ) !!!! may Allah take revenge on them all ... ameen .. Now, lets start reading, and I will try not to COMMENT, I will leave YOU comment on the following quotations by YOURSELF :

* "It was narrated that [ Imam ] Abu Abdullah said : No infant is born but a certain Satan is in his presence. If Allah knew that he would be of our Shiia, He protects him from that Satan, if he wouldn't be of our Shiia, Satan sticks his finger in his anus, thus becomes a catamite, If it was [ the infant ] a female, he sticks his finger in her vagina, thus becomes a *****. Allah then afterwards clear what He desire or affirm, for with Him is the book of Knowledge."

Tafseer al-Ayyashi, p. 218
Bihaar al-Anwaar, vol.2 p. 1319
Tafseer al-Burhaan, vol. 2, p. 300
* "It was narrated that [ Imam ] Abu Abdullah said : When it is the Judgement Day, Iblis will be brought forward in 70 chains and 70 cables. The FIRST [Abu Bakr] sees ZUFAR [Omar] in 120 chains and 120 cables [double of Satan], Iblis then say : Who is that , that Allah doubled his punishment and it was I who mislead all of these people? And an answer comes, This is ZUFAR [Omar] . Iblis then asks: Why specifically this punishment? The answer comes: Because of his wrong doing to Ali peace be upon him. Satan ZUFAR [Omar] then tells Satan Iblis " It was you who ordered me to do so" Iblis then replies : Why hast thou disobeyed your Lord and Obeyed me????"
Tafseer al-Ayashi, p. 224
Tafseer al- Burhan, vol. 3, p. 310
Bihaar al-Anwaar, vol. 8, p. 220
* "Alhussain Bin Ali Bin Yakteen narrated, i asked [ Imam ] Alhassan Bin Ali about the man doing it to the woman in her anus, he said [ Imam ] Alhassan it was made lawful in a verse of the Book of Allah, when Prophet Lut said : " Here are my dughters, they are purer for you" [Quran 11:78], and he knew it was not the vagina they sought but the anus"
Tafseer al-Ayyashi, p. 157
Bihaar al-Anwar, vol. 21, p. 98
Tafseer al-Burhaan, vol. 2, p. 230
COMMENT: I KNOW I have promised that I will not comment , but -by Allah- I couldnt stand it even though I have read it before, SEE how filthy those Shia are !? In this fabricated Hadith attributed to their Infallible Imam, it is clear that in Shiia's Religion, the act of sodomy is permissible according to their interpretation to the said verse and otheverses as well in this regard. What a sick mentality !!!
* "It was narrated that [ Imam ] Ja`far Ibn Muhamad p.b.u.h said : The prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h used to put his face between the breasts of [ his daughter ] Fatima before going to sleep"

Bihaar al-Anwar, vol. 43, p. 78

* "Ali Ibn Abi Talib said that he once slept with the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h and his wife Ayesha in one bed, and under one cover, then the prophet woke up to pray, and left them together [ Ali and Ayesha ] in the same bed, under the same cover"

Bihaar al-Anwar vol. 40, p. 2

COMMENT: AstagfiruAllah !!!! EVEN Ali and Fatimah and the family of the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h whom Shia claim they love and follow, were not excluded from the Shia's filth ... -by Allah- while I am writting these fabricated narrations that Shia filled their books with, my heart is feeling sick .. "O Allah, FORGIVE Me for typing this" I only conduct What Shia Scholars put in their books TO EXPOSE them to every muslim, every true muslim TO get angry FOR the sake of Allah on this apostate group ( Shia ), please dear brothers and sisters forgive me for making you read such filth about our beloved prophet peace be upon him and his family, but, It is TIME we FACE it and take s stance against it ....

Finally, I remind all MUSLIMS with the accurate Hadith "the prophet said : May Allah curse those who insult my companions", also I remind you to be CAREFULL when dealing with Shia, don't be tricked by their "Taqiyah", They smile in our faces but their hearts burn with hatred for us. Dear muslims, our duty toward those Mushrikeen "Shia" is to fight them with ALL what We can get reach of .. We MUST Expose them, and uncover their black face, LOOK at what they fill their Tafseer !!! and Hadith !!! Books with ... May Allah GUIDE them to his pure true path -or- destroy them and take revenge on them All .. AllaHumaa Ameen .. AllaHumaa Ameen .. AllaHumaa Ameen

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Speak about destroying the so called Muslim Ummah, Wahabis are the front line fighters for CIA interests, these videos will just build up to the invasion of Iran, and people such as Sangar and Abu Bakar will be the new commanders of the CIA led Alqueda Legionnaires. Next time you speak about others harming the Muslim Ummah, take a good look at your own views.

Kind Regards

[abubaker]

Speak about destroying the so called Muslim Ummah, Wahabis are the front line fighters for CIA interests, these videos will just build up to the invasion of Iran, and people such as Sangar and Abu Bakar will be the new commanders of the CIA led Alqueda Legionnaires. Next time you speak about others harming the Muslim Ummah, take a good look at your own views.

Kind Regards

tha muaf ye rukai

[abubaker]

Bro Abu Baker. before you quote Al kafi you should know its not a sahih book of hadith like Bukhari or Muslim. There are many weak narrations in Al Kafi which the shias reject and its wrong to quote weak hadiths from there and make it seem like the official shia view. Out of 16000 hadiths, almost 9000 are considered weak. Let's be a little fair. It would be like them taking weak hadiths from our books and claiming that is what we believe.

which is why we are saying they have false beliefs, we know its not sahih and its full of filth, yet the shia scholars regards it as sahih, we aren't saying that the common/leyman shias are kafir, wallah alim for all know if they were presented with clear truth they might even reject all the falshood they are being subjected to

its not just al kafi, if it was just that thrn yes we could have said, ok fine thesevare fabricated ahadith and the shia scholars reject ''which to my knowledge they dont'', its also their tafsir


sorry for any spelling mistakes, using on screen keyboard

[abubaker]

They don't regard it as sahih. Infact shias don't have a hadith book which is wholly sahih. Their sahih hadiths are spread around in different books. But Al kafi is their most extenisve collection. I know you are not saying their laymen are kafir which is a good position to take considering the amount of confusion there is about what is right and wrong. All I am asking is we must be fair in our approach. We have nothing to fear from them.

we fear only Allah subhanahu watalahbno one else

whether sahih or not the name of the book it selef should be an indication of how important it is to them “Al-Kafi” in Arabic means ‘The necessary and sufficient’

Muhammad Ya‘qūb Kulaynī
muhammad yaqub kulyani writes '' "whatever (hadith) agrees with the Book of God (the Qur'an), accept it. And whatever contradicts it, reject it"

which clearly goes against the current shia scholars who claim that the book is infalible and claim that it contains more sahih ahadith the saih bukhari, sahih muslim and etc


may Allah guid as all for we are all the need of his duidanc

[Pakhtunzai]

Abubakar wrora what is there to gain out of criticising the Shiites? Are they not muslims? Do they not believe in the Allah and our dear prophet (SAW)? Their kalimah is near enough same as us but only believe that Ali (RA) was the first caliphate. Out of 73 sects of islam only ONE will go jannah who knows we may be wrong? We leave the deciding and criticising to Allah.

In some aspects the salaf aka "wahabi" are strong and good in and in some the sufis are also good too..

Threads like these will only lead to conflict..some pakhtuns are shiites too..

[abubaker]

Abubakar wrora what is there to gain out of criticising the Shiites? Are they not muslims? Do they not believe in the Allah and our dear prophet (SAW)? Their kalimah is near enough same as us but only believe that Ali (RA) was the first caliphate. Out of 73 sects of islam only ONE will go jannah who knows we may be wrong? We leave the deciding and criticising to Allah.

In some aspects the salaf aka "wahabi" are strong and good in and in some the sufis are also good too..

Threads like these will only lead to conflict..some pakhtuns are shiites too..

like i said iam not hear to give takfir on the shia mases. its a duty ofevry muslim to expose those who are distorting Allahs religion, i dont intend to gain any thing from thi politically or financially but only Allahs pleasure that is more then the world for me

[MazloomyarMaseed]

like i said iam not hear to give takfir on the shia mases. its a duty ofevry muslim to expose those who are distorting Allahs religion, i dont intend to gain any thing from thi politically or financially but only Allahs pleasure that is more then the world for me

I would be very grateful if you could expose the University of Nebraska and the Saudi Government for publishing Radical Islamic Litrature to innocent Afghans.

Kind Regards

[abubaker]

I would be very grateful if you could expose the University of Nebraska and the Saudi Government for publishing Radical Islamic Litrature to innocent Afghans.

Kind Regards

like what for example