Mu;tazillah

[Afghanistan2010]

There were many reknowned Mu'tazilah Jurists from the Hanafi and Shafi'i Schools of Jurisprudence.

yes and everyone of them ended up under the shade of a blade....

[ScimitarXEdge]

yes and everyone of them ended up under the shade of a blade....

Prove it

[Afghanistan2010]

In the Book Majmu' al-Fatawah, chapter 14, page 348 says Ibn Taymiyyah (rah): ,,The Mutazilah are from among the Jahimiyaah."

[ScimitarXEdge]

This doesn't prove they met the sword; you said they met the sword. This proves nothing.

[Alchemist]

wrong fa yasero, comes from the word "sawara" which means to form or shape, like the name of Allah (swt) Al- Sawir, it means "fa yasero" means " so he makes it into the shape of a bird.

NO WHERE in Any Arabic lexicon does "sawarah" (to form/shape) mean "kana" (to become)

Wrong! Dimwit!

the root of the word for "YASERO" is S-Ye-R.

You are thinking of S-O-R (Soorat ...as in picture)


Here is the link to the lexicon for S-Ye-R.

http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000478.pdf

You are so dishonest that I have to post a picture otherwise you will just deny it and hope others will not know of your shame and dishonesty out of laziness.

Read it and weep:

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^ Arabic lexicon ...Sayara ...Kan. "To Become"


Can you read it? Do you see it? Or you don't want to?

Should I smash your head into the monitor for you to get it?
You delusional nut job!

Mumthal does not mean "exemplifies"; it means resembling from the word Mathala, which means "to bear likeness to". so it's saying it is SIMILAR, you can even see this in the Qanun Al 'Arabiyah. Your Arabic is terrible. Moving on.

My arabic is terrible?
Or your english?

ex·am·ple   [ig-zam-puhl, -zahm-] Show IPA noun, verb, -pled, -pling.
noun
1.
one of a number of things, or a part of something, taken to show the character of the whole: This painting is an example of his early work.
2.
a pattern or model, as of something to be imitated or avoided: to set a good example.
3.
an instance serving for illustration; specimen: The case histories gave carefully detailed examples of this disease.
4.
an instance illustrating a rule or method, as a mathematical problem proposed for solution.
5.
an instance, especially of punishment, serving as a warning to others: Public executions were meant to be examples to the populace.

Similar/example - big deal!

More like your deliberate mistranslation.I dare you to translate the entire Tafsir word for word on this verse; and I will too, we'll compare which one matches the Arabic language closely, deal?

You failed to translate words, and you have the audacity to challenge me?
You don't even know what simple words like Yaseero and matheal means...mathil is even used in Farsi. You Jackass!

More like you don't understand Arabic as your horrible translations demonstrated.

I just dispatched your ass by posting from an Arabic Lexicon.

And as expected , you made the same error TWICE. read further



No it means "a body bearing likeness to the body of the birds". you ignored the word هيئة , that changes the entire meaning of the sentence entirely. Which tells me you don't understand what youre reading. If Zamakhshari wanted to say they were the same as birds he would have said " huwa manfous al tayir" not "mathal"

You are being a moron here because now you are trying to give a higher value to what Zamkhshari means to say than what Allah says:




Allah says - FATAKOONA TAIRAN

And your argument is that Zamakhshari is not saying that it becomes a bird? but a likeness of a bird?

ARE YOU RETARDED?

Your argument thus far is this - "Jesus created the likeness of a bird......and that likeness of a bird ....was a likeness of a bird"
There is no "it became" a bird.
How would it make sense to say "A likeness of a bird became a likeness of a bird"?
This is what baffled Barakzai...That you would be this asinine to make this type of a logical error.

You are only trying hard to fool your self because in the quote I gave you Zamakhshari did not even say "huwa mathal u tairan" ...

By being learned on the subject enough to identify when you're making severe errors and misunderstandings of the meanings of words and also your inability to understand words which you failed to translate. But wait they call that Having a functioning brain; So that would mean it's your mental handicap and defects which would be closer to "psychologically messed up" Next time instead of groveling for 8 hours and spending your nights awake to POORLY translate a language you don't know. Learn the Language. Talk about psychologically damaged.

This is why I compare you to Qadianis.

You saw how that qadiani was foolishly trying to convince himself, more than anyone else, that he knew arabic better than all of us. Like a headless chicken arguing for pages on end on clear cut meanings that even google translator has no problem with...he couldn't accept it.


I asked you a simple question:

Do you believe in the ayah that describes ISa ibn Maryam making a clay likeness of a bird, Blowing into it, and by the IZN (permission) of Allah, it BECOMES!!! (YASEEEROOOOOO) a BIRD!

A living BIRD ...HAYAN TAIRAN - KA -SA'IRUL TUYUR Like Winged Birds.

Your own stupidity allows it to be nullified.

So I ask you for the nth time.

Do you believe that Isa Ibn Maryam blew into a mold of clay in the likeness of a bird, and by the will of Allah it BECAME a bird?

Yes, or not?

Stop beating around a bush like a panzie. Be a man and just Answer "Yes, I believe it". "No, I don't". Why are you being shy for? It's ok if you are a heretic. Come out of the closet and declare it openly.

[کیش]

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Scimitar x doesn't answer questions about Isa Bin Maryam. My friend has been asked that questions several times, and will not address it.

Thanks for your concerns

[Bigmo]

This is partially false; the Mu'taziliyeen use the 6 Sahih Traditions of ahadith; albeit their logical hermeneutics differs in matters of Theology than contemporary Sunnis.

You're right, the name "mu'tazilah" is an externally applied name. The actual name that we use is "Ahl Al Tawhid wal 'Adl", but that's a bit long to say so for convenience we just go along with Mu'tazilah.

There were many reknowned Mu'tazilah Jurists from the Hanafi and Shafi'i Schools of Jurisprudence.

This is false, the Mutaziltes did not accept any hadiths except what they considered was mass transmitted. None of the hadiths of Sunnis and Shias fits that category. Other Koranist were Ahl Alkalam and the Batinis.

If you look at Al Shafis treatise, you can see clearly Al Shafi trying to argue for the authority of the Sunnah. Shafi claimed this Sunnah was not available to the prublic and was with a few authorities.

There is a very good lecture by Dr Aisha Musa of Harvard about Al Shafi and his arguments for the Sunnah. Al Shafi called the Koranist "ahl alkalam". His arguments against them are exactly the same that Sunnis and Shias today use against the Koranist like how would we then pray and how would we then know this and that. Aisha Musa noticed that the same debate occurred in the past that you find today between Koranist and Sunnis or Shias.

1 - Imam Shafi's Approach to Hadith - Aisha Musa - YouTube

[Alchemist]

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Scimitar x doesn't answer questions about Isa Bin Maryam. My friend has been asked that questions several times, and will not address it.

Thanks for your concerns

Your friend is a very repulsive individual.
He fabricates lies about others. Lies which are more true for himself than anyone else on the forum.
If your friend won't discuss Isa Ibn Maryam, or other verses in the Qur'an that contradict his warped ideas then he should stop discussing Islam altogether.

Thanks for your concerns.

[Afghanistan2010]

http://www.mafhoum.com/press7/212C35.htm

Al-Mutwakkil, who came to the throne in 847, released Hanbal and reversed the religious policies of his three predecessors. Now the Mutazilah came under severe persecution. Within the next three or four decades thousands of them were put to death and open profession of their views receded from Muslim theological discourse.


Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar,walezzatulillah wali rasulihi wal mumeneen wala kinal munafiqeena(mutazilah,and other deviant groups,apostate) la ya'alamuun.


Power,honour,glory belongs to Allah and his messenger (pbuh) and the believers and but the hypocrites do not understand.

[Alchemist]

instead of groveling for 8 hours and spending your nights awake to POORLY translate a language you don't know. Learn the Language.