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why allah created hell

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[ozymandias]

why allah created hell - YouTube

More spam about Naik that is not even on topic....

[darkwitch]

Allah knows everything about everyone so why Allah created us to test us. Allah should know everything already.

Allah gave us free will. so therefore If Allah would have put us in heaven and hell from his own knowledge we would have said that we should have been given a chance.
so Allah is giving us our chance but he already knows what we will do..ultimately it is your choice. The fact that Allah has recorded, before anything was created, who would be in hell and who would be in heaven does not change the fact that it is we who choose. The judgment is only to manifest to those who go to hell, that they deserve to be in hell. It is only for them basically. Because if Allah created you, and put you in paradise, with all that is in paradise, and you see those people in hell suffering, are you going to ask Allah, why did you put me in paradise? No. your going to say "all praise be to Allah!" you don’t want to question or to wonder, all you will be is ecstatic that you are of those in paradise. So the judgment is not for you, it is for those who are going to hell. If you happen to be amongst those who were created for and put in hell, you would say, why me? Why did you put me in hell? And Allah would say; because you would have done so and so in your life. But you would say; no, no I wouldn’t. If you give me a chance I would do good deeds. You would not give up arguing.


Muslims say Allah created us to worship Allah and that is sole purpose. Why Allah need humans to worship Allah if Allah is free of all needs as any God would be. If Allah is God then Allah has no needs. If Allah needs human to worship Allah then Allah has needs therefore not God.

"We did not create the jinn and men except to worship us" [Surah adh-Dhariyyat, verse 56)

Allah does not need our worship but his worship is salvation for mankind
Because it is when we forget Allah, that Shaytan causes us to disobey Allah and fall into sin. So it is only in His remembrance that we can attain salvation. All of the various acts of worship from saying "Bismillah" when we eat is to help us remember Allah in order to grow spiritually.
Allah has said that he has created us to test us, to see which of us is best in deeds. He is not testing us to know, in the sense that he doesn’t already know, but this world is a test for us in order again that we can grow spiritually.



Muslims dont believe in original sin but Adam and Hawa were sent to earth after they ate the forbiden fruit. That means you and I are here and we are being punished for this original sin otherwise we would be in heaven. Why Allah is punishing us for mistake made by our father adam and mother hawa.

“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth.’ They said: ‘Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks and sanctify You.’ He (God) said: ‘Indeed I know that which you do not know.’” (Quran 2:30)
It is also clear from these verses that God did not create humans as immortal, and that death was prescribed for them from the beginning of their creation. As for the consequences of the sin of Adam, which was his extradition from the Garden, this was felt by those to come after him and this is only natural. If one was to become drunk and have a car accident, and some of the passengers die, the sin of driver effects the passengers in their death, but that does not mean that the passengers are to be held to account for the sin of the driver.
We are not held accountable when adam AS and bibi Hawa ate the forbidden fruit and besides Allah already forgave them for it when they repented.So how can we be held accountable for a sin that has been forgiven.



Why were we Created? (www.sunnahonline.com)
The Original Sin (part 1 of 2) - The Religion of Islam

[darkwitch]

Allah asked angels to bowl to adam. Adam is man and bowling to him would be worshiping him. Shaitan is jinn so why did she shatian refused he was not ordered. This is verse from quran. Why would Allah ask jinns and angels to bowl down to Adam man. Muslims say to test angels but angels have no free will. Jinns were not asked to bowl down. If jinns were then why test them doesnt Allah know everything or Allah need to reconfirm reaffirm everything he doesnt trust what he knows already?

Its bow.
The angels have no free will but Jinns do Ibis being a jinn had free will.
Allah ordered them to bow down ofcourse the Angels did as they were told and bowed down but Iblis had free will and disobeyed.saying he was made out of fire how could he bow down to one made out of mud/clay.Shaitan could do this because he has exercised a choice that he knew he had over the Angels. He deliberately made a forgone decision to disobey Allah, and follow his own Nafs. He figured that if he did not bow, he would still hold position as a devoted servant, he chose wrong. And because he chose to do wrong an felt wronged, he will do his best to cause ruin to Adams decendants, just look around at his handiwork.
As I answered in your first question Allah always knows ones intentions and puts them to test so they wont have a reason to argue.

[Afghanistan2010]

Okay let us agree that you do not believe in anything !
so where lies the sense of your life?what do you expect from life ?
why you were born and not someone else ?
who chose for you your parents...why are you not the son of an africa or why are u ?

what sense has the world and everything and our living without God ?...is there anything then explain to us.

[ozymandias]

Okay let us agree that you do not believe in anything !

I'm not sure who this is addressed to -- but I don't know who this could apply to. Even atheists believe in things -- just not supernatural things.

so where lies the sense of your life?

...? It's the electro/chemical reactions to stimulus. I guess it is 'located' in the human brain.

what do you expect from life ?

Personally? Nothing.

why you were born and not someone else ?

Because someone had to result of the interaction of a given sperm or egg. It's a foregone conclusion. The question has no merit.

who chose for you your parents...

No one. Nothing chooses it's parents.

why are you not the son of an africa or why are u ?

Because evolution, genealogy, and basic biology. I am the child of my parents, as where they the children of their parents. I really don't think I understand the question.

what sense has the world and everything and our living without God ?

Why does it have to make sense?

...is there anything then explain to us.

There is plenty -- you just need to be open to asking the questions, and not assume you have all the answers -- or that every question makes sense.

[Afghanistan2010]

Is it an answer to say : there is nothing that we expect from life/sense of life
so probably if you kill yourself or die it doesn't matter right now because there is no reason for you to live a proper a meaningful life that will result in something.

But you as you say you do not awaite results of the life.

Did you never thought about that everything can have some purpose ?

What if you are wrong and there is God ?...but not that God what the christians imagine a man with beard or three (trinity) no seriously.

what will be your answer to the one that created you (imagine if he exists and you meet him)?

[ozymandias]

Is it an answer to say : there is nothing that we expect from life/sense of life

Yes, that is an answer.

so probably if you kill yourself or die it doesn't matter right now because there is no reason for you to live a proper a meaningful life that will result in something.

This has to be some of the worst logic I have ever seen. Why would an atheist end their life early like that? If anything, life is *more* precious to an atheist, than a theist, because that is all they get. There is no extra life after you die.

But you as you say you do not awaite results of the life.

I do not understand this comment.

Did you never thought about that everything can have some purpose ?

I have thought that it would be nice. It would also be nice to have a trillion dollars. Wishful thinking does not make something true.

What if you are wrong and there is God ?

Then your God screwed up. He created an intelligent, thinking man, and failed to provide evidence of his own existence.

What if *you* are wrong, though? Best case, you lived your life under a bunch of rules and restrictions, wasted a chunk of your time, and that's all. Worst case scenario? You have the wrong god, and you are in the same boat as me -- or worse.

...but not that God what the christians imagine a man with beard or three (trinity) no seriously.

Again, I don't understand this comment.

what will be your answer to the one that created you (imagine if he exists and you meet him)?

My answer? I was the best possible me I could be. I took the gifts I was given, by a god, by nature, or by luck, and I did the most I could with them. I worked to improve myself every day, I worked to educate myself, and further the causes of humanity. I was the most moral person I could be, I worked to limit suffering, to fight oppression, and to educated those that needed it. I did these things not because I was told to do them, but because they were the right thing to do. I would hold my head up high, and not be ashamed of who I am, or what I did, because I never took the easy way out, never accepted another persons easy answer. I looked life in the eyes, and did not flinch.

[badmash_khel]

Hi
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Allah knows everything about everyone so why Allah created us to test us. Allah should know everything already.

yes, Allah (sw) knows everything, but you clearly don't. Just because he knows something beforehand doesn't mean we don't have free will. Its just that since he is not bound by time and space, he can know the future.

Muslims say Allah created us to worship Allah and that is sole purpose. Why Allah need humans to worship Allah if Allah is free of all needs as any God would be. If Allah is God then Allah has no needs. If Allah needs human to worship Allah then Allah has needs therefore not God.

Allah (sw) created us to worship him because one of his attributes is "The creator". so what kind of creator would he be if he doesn't create?

Muslims dont believe in original sin but Adam and Hawa were sent to earth after they ate the forbiden fruit. That means you and I are here and we are being punished for this original sin otherwise we would be in heaven. Why Allah is punishing us for mistake made by our father adam and mother hawa.

In the muslim version of the story Adam (as) is forgiven for making tha mistake and muslms don't believe in original sin. We are all born sinless and comit sins because we have free will.

Allah asked angels to bowl to adam. Adam is man and bowling to him would be worshiping him. Shaitan is jinn so why did she shatian refused he was not ordered. This is verse from quran. Why would Allah ask jinns and angels to bowl down to Adam man. Muslims say to test angels but angels have no free will. Jinns were not asked to bowl down. If jinns were then why test them doesnt Allah know everything or Allah need to reconfirm reaffirm everything he doesnt trust what he knows already?

Bowing down to Adam (as) was a command from (sw), so thats why all followed it except Iblis (shaitan) because of his pride. Bowing down to any human is forbidden and thats a command but that is the instruction or command for now. Whatever is the command of Allah (sw), people have to follow it, wether to bow down or not. If we don't follow the will of Allah (sw), we harm ourselves because we will be going against nature.

Do you believe in stoning people to death as humane. Do you believe that a 50 year old man should marry 6 year old and have sex with her at 9 year old. If you say that it was for that time then mohammad actions are not for all time which means sunnah is useless. If you say that it didnt happen it was practice of that time why didnt mohammad stop such crazy thing when he stopped burying of infant girls and eating of wine but did not stop practice of marriage with little girls which happens today where in fact he is used as justification where most little girls married have no say in consent which is in fact child rape.

Stoning to death is the last resort and that punishment is reserved for adultery. Do you know how much adultery harms the society? When fabric of society is destroyed especially family unit which is the basic and most important component of society, the society breaks down and children grow up without one of their parents. It has a huge physycological effect on children. Anyway to prove adultery, there have to be 4 witnesses who watched the actual sexual intercourse happen, thats a very unlikely scenario and in most cases there are never 4 witnesses available so a lesser punishment is given. The main purpose of such a law is to deter people from commiting a crime which is harmful for society.
What is humane and not humane is not decided by humans, human being can justify any crime they want when it suits them. According to Hitler, it was humane to kill jews because they were harming other people. Muslims don't make up their morals as they go along permitting something or forbidding something according to their own whims and desires. A muslim's morality comes from the source, the creator himself, who really knows the essence of things and what really harms or benifits us.
Regarding the marriage of Aisha (ra), its well known that she was engaged to another man before her father broke the engagement and married her off to Muhammad (saw). If it was seen normal for her to marry other men at that age then why not Muhammad (saw)? And those who accuse Muhmmad (saw) of peodophilia fail miserably because most of his wives were old women including his first wife khadija (ra) who was 15 years older than him. If you look at any definition of peadophilia then you will see that this point is proven wrong by the very definition. If you don't want to marry a 6 year old then you don't have to. I personally wouldn't marry a 6 year old or allow anyone else to marry a 6 year old simply because I don't regard 6 year olds as mature or of sound age to make a decision regarding marriage. In Islam a man and woman is free to marry who ever they wan't as long as they are muslim (including jews and christians for men).

More questions later. This is honest discussion this is main problems i have with islam. So you see it is not about being gay or wanting sex. Let us see how much you know about your religion and how much I atheist know.

I am glad you are questioning these things as Islam encourages us to question, observe and ponder upon the signs of Allah (sw). Always remeber that you have a chance to repent before you die and your past mistakes have no bearing on your future if you sincerely repent. Sins of ignorance are easily forgiven. Wether you become a muslim or not is upto Allah (sw) since he is the only one who gives faith to whomever he wills. Keep an open mind and you will be fine.

[darkwitch]

Prophet Muhammad Marriage to Aisha - Yusuf Estes - YouTube

[Alchemist]

Yes, that is an answer.



This has to be some of the worst logic I have ever seen. Why would an atheist end their life early like that? If anything, life is *more* precious to an atheist, than a theist, because that is all they get. There is no extra life after you die.



I do not understand this comment.



I have thought that it would be nice. It would also be nice to have a trillion dollars. Wishful thinking does not make something true.



Then your God screwed up. He created an intelligent, thinking man, and failed to provide evidence of his own existence.

What if *you* are wrong, though? Best case, you lived your life under a bunch of rules and restrictions, wasted a chunk of your time, and that's all. Worst case scenario? You have the wrong god, and you are in the same boat as me -- or worse.



Again, I don't understand this comment.



My answer? I was the best possible me I could be. I took the gifts I was given, by a god, by nature, or by luck, and I did the most I could with them. I worked to improve myself every day, I worked to educate myself, and further the causes of humanity. I was the most moral person I could be, I worked to limit suffering, to fight oppression, and to educated those that needed it. I did these things not because I was told to do them, but because they were the right thing to do. I would hold my head up high, and not be ashamed of who I am, or what I did, because I never took the easy way out, never accepted another persons easy answer. I looked life in the eyes, and did not flinch.

How do you know it was the right thing to do?

Maybe it was the wrong thing to do? And you just deluded your self into thinking that what you did was right.

After all, didn't you say people do not have an innate sense of wrongness or rightness?

So really...you are just a clone of the colony. Right? A conformist. And maybe if you were born into a religious family, in a religious community...then you too would have been religious?

You know what's been said? The unexamined life is not worth living.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Allah knows everything about everyone so why Allah created us to test us. Allah should know everything already.

Allah gave us free will. so therefore If Allah would have put us in heaven and hell from his own knowledge we would have said that we should have been given a chance.
so Allah is giving us our chance but he already knows what we will do..ultimately it is your choice. The fact that Allah has recorded, before anything was created, who would be in hell and who would be in heaven does not change the fact that it is we who choose. The judgment is only to manifest to those who go to hell, that they deserve to be in hell. It is only for them basically. Because if Allah created you, and put you in paradise, with all that is in paradise, and you see those people in hell suffering, are you going to ask Allah, why did you put me in paradise? No. your going to say "all praise be to Allah!" you don’t want to question or to wonder, all you will be is ecstatic that you are of those in paradise. So the judgment is not for you, it is for those who are going to hell. If you happen to be amongst those who were created for and put in hell, you would say, why me? Why did you put me in hell? And Allah would say; because you would have done so and so in your life. But you would say; no, no I wouldn’t. If you give me a chance I would do good deeds. You would not give up arguing.


Muslims say Allah created us to worship Allah and that is sole purpose. Why Allah need humans to worship Allah if Allah is free of all needs as any God would be. If Allah is God then Allah has no needs. If Allah needs human to worship Allah then Allah has needs therefore not God.

"We did not create the jinn and men except to worship us" [Surah adh-Dhariyyat, verse 56)

Allah does not need our worship but his worship is salvation for mankind
Because it is when we forget Allah, that Shaytan causes us to disobey Allah and fall into sin. So it is only in His remembrance that we can attain salvation. All of the various acts of worship from saying "Bismillah" when we eat is to help us remember Allah in order to grow spiritually.
Allah has said that he has created us to test us, to see which of us is best in deeds. He is not testing us to know, in the sense that he doesn’t already know, but this world is a test for us in order again that we can grow spiritually.



Muslims dont believe in original sin but Adam and Hawa were sent to earth after they ate the forbiden fruit. That means you and I are here and we are being punished for this original sin otherwise we would be in heaven. Why Allah is punishing us for mistake made by our father adam and mother hawa.

“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth.’ They said: ‘Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks and sanctify You.’ He (God) said: ‘Indeed I know that which you do not know.’” (Quran 2:30)
It is also clear from these verses that God did not create humans as immortal, and that death was prescribed for them from the beginning of their creation. As for the consequences of the sin of Adam, which was his extradition from the Garden, this was felt by those to come after him and this is only natural. If one was to become drunk and have a car accident, and some of the passengers die, the sin of driver effects the passengers in their death, but that does not mean that the passengers are to be held to account for the sin of the driver.
We are not held accountable when adam AS and bibi Hawa ate the forbidden fruit and besides Allah already forgave them for it when they repented.So how can we be held accountable for a sin that has been forgiven.



Why were we Created? (www.sunnahonline.com)
The Original Sin (part 1 of 2) - The Religion of Islam

Allah gave us free will but Allah also asks Muslims to spread Islam to the point where killing none Muslims is sanctioned indirectly like those who reject Allahs law or religion over their land and people. If a person is born a Muslim raised a Muslim becauce of their birth later that person have doubts about Islam doesnt believe in it if that person leaves they are put to death. I am sorry please show me where is the free will in all of this. How about external factors. Why would Allah burn me in hell when we are the creations of our surroundings. If some one is born a kaffir dies a kaffir will they burn in hell for eternity. What about all those good people who are not muslims when they die will the burn in hell for not believing in Allah. Allah knows everything has recorded everything but still there are angels on our shoulders that continues to record and write which they take back up to Allah so he can compare them with his private notes which he has already recorded written. I tell you sister it doesnt make sense. IT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

Allah does not need our worship but the verse you quoted said he created us to worship Allah. That is a contradiction. The justification that we need Allah worship is not mentioned in the quran it is a later apologitic explaination. If Allah doesnt need our worship but created us so we can worship Allah it seems Allah is very bored. If Allah doesnt need anything from us then we have no purpose to serve. If we have a purpose to serve that is a need of Allah to be fullfilled. If Allah has a need then Allah is not really a God that is sufficient Allah is missing something. Allah creates us gives us nafs. Allah knows what we will do anyways but puts us on this earth just so we know what we will do so then he can put us in his created heaven and hell for eternity. That is cruel dont you think. Allah knows Adam is going to eat the fruit but puts the tree there. Allah then sends them to earth to punish them but will later forgive them anyway. Now we are stuck here because of something Adam did. We are going to be punished for weaknesses Allah put in us in the first place. Allah says become believer but it is in the hand of Allah who becomes believer therefore how can one become a believer with free will if Allah is in control.

I tell you sister it doesnt add up it doesnt make sense. IT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE.


Allah said he is the only one to be worshiped to be prostrated to. Later Allah asked angels to prostrate to Adam. The verse clearly states angels. Ibliss is a jinn not an angel he is later added on a jinn commander of angels. Torahic beliefs states he was a fallen angel so it makes sense as an angel to reject this command from Torahic point of view. In islam it doesnt make sense because Allah asked angels. Is Ibliss an angel or jinn.

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YUSUFALI: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.


So above verse states angels were ordered. There it doesnt mention anything about Ibliss being a jinn.


Now he is a jinn in this verse

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YUSUFALI: Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord.


There is confusion and contradiction here. Angels were ordered to prostrate not jinns. What happened here that who ever wrote down these verses didnt pay too much attention to detail. They should have added that "We said to the angels and jinns "Bow down to Adam". This is also one of the tension factor in many muslim intrepetation to decide whether Ibliss was a jinn or a fallen angel. According to jewish traditions he was an angel. Later Muslim traditions made him out to be a smokeless fire creature in line with established pagan arab supersitutions of jinns.


That is not the main point. As Ibliss what would you do. All your existence you are told that no one is worthy of worship but Allah. One day Allah knowing this fact wants to play a trick on you. To see what you will do. So he puts you on the spot. Order 1 is not to worship or protrate to anyone but Allah. Order 2 comes in and says prostrate to Adam. Now if you do number 2 you cancel number 1. If you do number 1 you cancel number 2. Poor Ibliss is damned both ways. This little nonsenical jewish hebrew myth was incorporated imposed on the poor arabic people and now on a billion muslims. Ibliss who is the highest of high who love Allah so much decides to go against Allah knowing very well what the end will hold. If anyone would be in Ibliss position knowing very well what Allah is capable of doing why on earth would you go against Allah. It doesnt matter how powerful you think you are. How strong you think you are. How angry you are. You can not win from Allah. Why would Ibliss do such a stupid thing. Ibliss is only needed to convince people like you that those doubts and questions in your head comes from Ibliss. He also pees in your ears in the morning.

Interesting you skipped to answer the whole mohammad marriage to aisha question. Most Muslim women do becaues as women they dont know what to say or feel. Plenty of Muslim men around to answer it and justify it for them.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Allah gave us free will but Allah also asks Muslims to spread Islam to the point where killing none Muslims is sanctioned indirectly like those who reject Allahs law or religion over their land and people. If a person is born a Muslim raised a Muslim becauce of their birth later that person have doubts about Islam doesnt believe in it if that person leaves they are put to death. I am sorry please show me where is the free will in all of this. How about external factors. Why would Allah burn me in hell when we are the creations of our surroundings. If some one is born a kaffir dies a kaffir will they burn in hell for eternity. What about all those good people who are not muslims when they die will the burn in hell for not believing in Allah. Allah knows everything has recorded everything but still there are angels on our shoulders that continues to record and write which they take back up to Allah so he can compare them with his private notes which he has already recorded written. I tell you sister it doesnt make sense. IT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

Allah does not need our worship but the verse you quoted said he created us to worship Allah. That is a contradiction. The justification that we need Allah worship is not mentioned in the quran it is a later apologitic explaination. If Allah doesnt need our worship but created us so we can worship Allah it seems Allah is very bored. If Allah doesnt need anything from us then we have no purpose to serve. If we have a purpose to serve that is a need of Allah to be fullfilled. If Allah has a need then Allah is not really a God that is sufficient Allah is missing something. Allah creates us gives us nafs. Allah knows what we will do anyways but puts us on this earth just so we know what we will do so then he can put us in his created heaven and hell for eternity. That is cruel dont you think. Allah knows Adam is going to eat the fruit but puts the tree there. Allah then sends them to earth to punish them but will later forgive them anyway. Now we are stuck here because of something Adam did. We are going to be punished for weaknesses Allah put in us in the first place. Allah says become believer but it is in the hand of Allah who becomes believer therefore how can one become a believer with free will if Allah is in control.

I tell you sister it doesnt add up it doesnt make sense. IT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE.


Allah said he is the only one to be worshiped to be prostrated to. Later Allah asked angels to prostrate to Adam. The verse clearly states angels. Ibliss is a jinn not an angel he is later added on a jinn commander of angels. Torahic beliefs states he was a fallen angel so it makes sense as an angel to reject this command from Torahic point of view. In islam it doesnt make sense because Allah asked angels. Is Ibliss an angel or jinn.

007.011
YUSUFALI: It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.


So above verse states angels were ordered. There it doesnt mention anything about Ibliss being a jinn.


Now he is a jinn in this verse

018.050
YUSUFALI: Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord.


There is confusion and contradiction here. Angels were ordered to prostrate not jinns. What happened here that who ever wrote down these verses didnt pay too much attention to detail. They should have added that "We said to the angels and jinns "Bow down to Adam". This is also one of the tension factor in many muslim intrepetation to decide whether Ibliss was a jinn or a fallen angel. According to jewish traditions he was an angel. Later Muslim traditions made him out to be a smokeless fire creature in line with established pagan arab supersitutions of jinns.


That is not the main point. As Ibliss what would you do. All your existence you are told that no one is worthy of worship but Allah. One day Allah knowing this fact wants to play a trick on you. To see what you will do. So he puts you on the spot. Order 1 is not to worship or protrate to anyone but Allah. Order 2 comes in and says prostrate to Adam. Now if you do number 2 you cancel number 1. If you do number 1 you cancel number 2. Poor Ibliss is damned both ways. This little nonsenical jewish hebrew myth was incorporated imposed on the poor arabic people and now on a billion muslims. Ibliss who is the highest of high who love Allah so much decides to go against Allah knowing very well what the end will hold. If anyone would be in Ibliss position knowing very well what Allah is capable of doing why on earth would you go against Allah. It doesnt matter how powerful you think you are. How strong you think you are. How angry you are. You can not win from Allah. Why would Ibliss do such a stupid thing. Ibliss is only needed to convince people like you that those doubts and questions in your head comes from Ibliss. He also pees in your ears in the morning.

Interesting you skipped to answer the whole mohammad marriage to aisha question. Most Muslim women do becaues as women they dont know what to say or feel. Plenty of Muslim men around to answer it and justify it for them.

Wrong again parsiwaan.

The ayaah actually has to be read in the original arabic.

It says, fasajoodoo ILLA ibleesa in both places.

Meaning he was in the company of the angels.

The one ayaah expands on the other.

In the first instance:
The ayaah reads: They bowed, ILLA iblis
The second ayaah reds, They bowed, ILLA iblis as he was one of the jinns.

Yusuf Ali in his translation noted clearly that the word Illa means except, in the classical arabic, both in the context of:
All the boys played baseball except Paul.

Yet, in the fact that teh two verses both use the SAME wording, and in light of commonly used Arabic phrasing,

The appropriate translation would be:
All teh boys played baseball, not so Tina
All the boys played baseball, not so Tina for she was a girl

You conveniently glossed over the word NOT SO and equated it with EXCEPT despite your own usage of the wording "not so"

For example, I could say here:

All the Pashtuns were brave and good looking, not so PakistaniAtheist, he has dandruff

And I could say elsewhere:
All teh Pashtuns were brave and good looking, not so PakistaniAtheist as he is a parsiwaan and has dandruff.

Neither demands that you be considered a Pashtun... and the second one tells us what your ethnicity and nature is.

Wrong again... another reason for you to go swim back across the Amu Darya.

[PakistaniAtheist]

Wrong again parsiwaan.

The ayaah actually has to be read in the original arabic.

It says, fasajoodoo ILLA ibleesa in both places.

Meaning he was in the company of the angels.

The one ayaah expands on the other.

In the first instance:
The ayaah reads: They bowed, ILLA iblis
The second ayaah reds, They bowed, ILLA iblis as he was one of the jinns.

Yusuf Ali in his translation noted clearly that the word Illa means except, in the classical arabic, both in the context of:
All the boys played baseball except Paul.

Yet, in the fact that teh two verses both use the SAME wording, and in light of commonly used Arabic phrasing,

The appropriate translation would be:
All teh boys played baseball, not so Tina
All the boys played baseball, not so Tina for she was a girl

You conveniently glossed over the word NOT SO and equated it with EXCEPT despite your own usage of the wording "not so"

For example, I could say here:

All the Pashtuns were brave and good looking, not so PakistaniAtheist, he has dandruff

And I could say elsewhere:
All teh Pashtuns were brave and good looking, not so PakistaniAtheist as he is a parsiwaan and has dandruff.

Neither demands that you be considered a Pashtun... and the second one tells us what your ethnicity and nature is.

Wrong again... another reason for you to go swim back across the Amu Darya.

Hi your explanation is fallacious because it is missing the most important part which is the command or order given in the over all context where the identity and nature of Tina is important to establish for us to understand its meaning. All the boys were asked to play baseball, but Tina didnt, for that Tina was punished. Question is the boys were asked to play baseball, Tina being a girl, why was she punished. All the boys were asked to play baseball, but Tina didnt, she was one of the girls. Again the order is for the boys to play baseball, Tina from the name indicates a female gender. This is important to establish because prior to this another source mentions that Tina is a boy. But Quran later claims that Tina is a girl. In that sense the first sentence make sense only if we are to assume that Tina is a boy established by original source. From quranic perspective neither make senes if Tina is a girl which she is according to quran since the order came for boys. Try again please.

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Hi your explanation is fallacious because it is missing the most important part which is the command or order given in the over all context where the identity and nature of Tina is important to establish for us to understand its meaning. All the boys were asked to play baseball, but Tina didnt, for that Tina was punished. Question is the boys were asked to play baseball, Tina being a girl, why was she punished. All the boys were asked to play baseball, but Tina didnt, she was one of the girls. Again the order is for the boys to play baseball, Tina from the name indicates a female gender. This is important to establish because prior to this another source mentions that Tina is a boy. But Quran later claims that Tina is a girl. In that sense the first sentence make sense only if we are to assume that Tina is a boy established by original source. From quranic perspective neither make senes if Tina is a girl which she is according to quran since the order came for boys. Try again please.

"uh, uh, uh" <---- thats the sound of you drowning in the Amu Darya... here's why:

You failed again on Islam 101 and everyone here is laughing at you because even the secularists have this basic knowledge of Islamic theology. Iblis is in the company of the Angels. As an example: Its no different than when in the US, if the national anthem is being sung, its deeply disrespectful, irrespective of nationality if one sits down and pouts.

Just as non Americans in America are expected to abide by American law, by the same token, Iblis was in the company of the Angels and to abide by the order.

In the Quranic text, God makes it clear that Angels ONLY obey his will. This is clarified in the verses where the Jews take Gabriel as an enemy. Angels do not disobey God's command, they cannot do so.

The verse is stating to the reader, the obvious:

So then the verse would have read as a better comparison for your parsiwaan peanut brain:

All of the men were asked to fight against Napolean on the front lines. They all obeyed; not so John. (as a prelude to John being punished).

Then clarification verse:

All of the men were asked to fight against Napolean on the front lines. They all obeyed; not so John, for he was a mercenary.

The other men are soldiers... they cannot but obey the order... John is a mercenary in their company... he has likely been paid his sum and should fight Napolean... but he refuses.

Sorry Kabulzada. You lose again.