Stoning to Death

[ScimitarXEdge]

good luck kiddo. so you yourself are involved in the culture of america, because..............meglomania? delusions of grandeur?

you're just throwing darts out blindly hoping something will hit a target LOL

go put anotha shrimp on da baaahby , aussie woman.

[faye]

must have hit,as you responded with an attempt at mockery. not a very good one at that, perpetual student

[ScimitarXEdge]

well I responded because I want to highlight how unaffective you are. you're a moron if you think a mere response back, with mockery means you've accomplished anything.

this is why you're trash farangay, and I'm not.

[faye]

why you'd use emotional black mail ...why are YOU AS A FARANGAY, involving yourself in the affairs of another culture? I think there in lies your answer, it's the typical farangay hubris to "civilize" the natives. When establishing a reasonable basis to persuade others fails, emotional black mail , exploiting imagery of despondence will be the last bid.

as for Hitler, he was working from the inside out, I'm working outside in. Yeah sure it would be nice if all your males could be decimated in one sweep, but I'm focusing on more pertinent goals.

you're in a real FARANGAY rut now, aren't you? makes a change from 'mentally colonised' and your other repetitive names for others.
the reason i am concerned for afghanistan is because i was there, mixed with the people and liked and admired them.
something you haven't gained the capacity for, is empathy. i can empathise with others due to my own experiences in life, EVEN if i don't like everything within their system of society.
i still don't know that 9/11 was committed by bin laden. there is still no proof been given. so when i realised that afghanistan and iraq were going to be invaded supposedly, because of this event, i took an interest and was/am disgusted in the events since then. i hate that australia is involved in these invasions.
but a big hateful ego like yours, is just too tempting, not to tease

[ScimitarXEdge]

*plays violin*

[faye]

one day, when you actually get a life and live outside of your little fantasy, you may grow to understand

[khushal]

Well, you have to be intellectually convinced of God's existence to be a "true believer" in Mu'atzilah, which means that you can't just merely believe in it because that is social convention. However since it is speculative; in many ways, full certainty might not be achievable, some Mu'taziliyeen like myself view God as more of a concept of the Order of Life and Existence, than an actual Being; a state of Consciousness rather than a discrete identity. None the less the outcome is the same, there is a certain set of events that gave rise to human life and human lifes end up following the order set into form by these events.

So what is the Quaran then?

I dont think those references you mention are concrete, they're speculative; I think we are probably descended from different groups that came together, but we dont have any solid records. I mean there is absolutely no ancient record of Pashto. The ethnogenesis of many contemporary cultures follows a similar process. Some of us are Scythian, Some of us Hepthalites, some of of Indians, some Turks.

I dont doubt that other ethnic groups moved in and were pashtunized and married with the locals but these historians and historical records are regarded authentic and were highly knowledgeable people of their time. There are many ancient texts from different regions india, persian, greek, chinese, who speak of the tribes west of the indus.

Almost evry article and major news item when discussing pashtun history, they all mention thousands of years old culture. for example:

The Roots - Afghan and Pakistani Tribe Lives by Its Own Set of Rules - NYTimes.com
The Pashtun have their own tribal laws reaching back thousands of years to govern a people who consider themselves Pashtun first and Pakistani or Afghan second. It is why the border with Pakistan drawn by a British general a century ago is still considered just a line on paper, and why Pashtun in Pakistan are enraged at the United States bombing.
To the Pashtun, the bombs might as well be falling on the old men who trail behind water buffalo tending sugar cane outside Peshawar. This is a tribe that anthropologists consider one of the oldest on earth, bound by a common language, but also by millenniums of marriage, and by blood.

[ScimitarXEdge]

one day, when you actually get a life and live outside of your little fantasy, you may grow to understand

what fantasy? I'm just causing some aging farangay woman to soil her adult diapers

now go call your caretakers deary, Foofoo made a booboo

[ScimitarXEdge]

So what is the Quaran then?



I dont doubt that other ethnic groups moved in and were pashtunized and married with the locals but these historians and historical records are regarded authentic and were highly knowledgeable people of their time. There are many ancient texts from different regions india, persian, greek, chinese, who speak of the tribes west of the indus.

Almost evry article and major news item when discussing pashtun history, they all mention thousands of years old culture. for example:

The Roots - Afghan and Pakistani Tribe Lives by Its Own Set of Rules - NYTimes.com
The Pashtun have their own tribal laws reaching back thousands of years to govern a people who consider themselves Pashtun first and Pakistani or Afghan second. It is why the border with Pakistan drawn by a British general a century ago is still considered just a line on paper, and why Pashtun in Pakistan are enraged at the United States bombing.
To the Pashtun, the bombs might as well be falling on the old men who trail behind water buffalo tending sugar cane outside Peshawar. This is a tribe that anthropologists consider one of the oldest on earth, bound by a common language, but also by millenniums of marriage, and by blood.

You have to realize these are journalists not necessarily historians. anthropologists or otherwise. I'm not discrediting whats in this article; but just saying that the actual evidence is not firmly established. The basis why many Pashtuns take Herodatus or Rig Vedas as references is because they have words that "almost kind of sort of" sound like "Pashtun" or "Pakhtun" or "Afghan". but these sort of linguistic analogs are often faulty. There aren't any known prominent scholars who actually endorse these theories, not that means these references did not in fact refer to Pashtuns. All I'm saying is even when we factor these in, we really don't know for sure. There's no "smoking gun" that we can say "yes these are the Pashtuns". If it can be proven our history is 5000 years old; that's fine by me, it would make me proud. If it turns out we're just an amalgam of different roots and our actual ethnogenesis was 900-1,500 years ago. I'm fine with that too. We'll have to wait and see.

As for your question about the Qur'an; I believe that the Qur'an is quite possibly a form of very profound inspiration, I don't want to merely diminish the Qur'an since clearly the Qur'an possesses understandings and knowledge of our universe and natural world more profound than what could have been known in their time and may even supercede what we know in our times. Intellectually, my thoughts surmrise that its quite possible that Existence is really nothing more than a State of Consciousness and as conscious beings we can reach into these different degrees of this state and discover profound realities. Time and space itself is a set of dimensions, which means theoretically it is possible, maybe even probable that the mind can navigate around these dimensions and awaken to Reality as it truly is. I believe the Qur'an is the product of these awakenings.

[IamDZJ]

we have discussed this one about four times in the last year or so. don't you people get bored of repeating the same **** over and over again??

[Badlun]

Yes but it is OK to kill thousands from half the world away by pressing a button as long as they dont see the faces of the people they are killing and the bloodshed that is left afterwards. Are you trying to say that there is a civilized way of killing and then there is an uncivilized way of killing.

Killing some one in a war or jihad is different and killing some one or stoning some one to death by a court of law, or a group of Mullas or taliban under the sanction of a so called Hadith is another thing. Arabs also killed thousands in war when they had power and now the power is shifted to some one else but never never a court in the developed world will punish some one by stoning to death.

[khushal]

Killing some one in a war or jihad is different and killing some one or stoning some one to death by a court of law, or a group of Mullas or taliban under the sanction of a so called Hadith is another thing. Arabs also killed thousands in war when they had power and now the power is shifted to some one else but never never a court in the developed world will punish some one by stoning to death.

Just like your masters you have very little knowledge of how Afghanistan works, hence the reason they are failing. The Mullahs or the Taliban or some Hadith didn't decide the fate of these two people. Capital punishment had evolved in this society thousands of years ago and has existed to this day. Their fate was decided thousands of years ago. If it was a Hadith that decided the fate of these two, their lives would have actually been saved.

Ahhh, Yes the developed world, how you worship the developed World. Did you not watch the Star Trek episode. You idiot, I told you to watch it. Now read this moron.

http://www.operationmorningstar.org/genocide_of_native_americans.htm

Now give me a challenge and write something suspenseful, if you need help, let me know.

[khushal]

You have to realize these are journalists not necessarily historians. anthropologists or otherwise. I'm not discrediting whats in this article; but just saying that the actual evidence is not firmly established. The basis why many Pashtuns take Herodatus or Rig Vedas as references is because they have words that "almost kind of sort of" sound like "Pashtun" or "Pakhtun" or "Afghan". but these sort of linguistic analogs are often faulty. There aren't any known prominent scholars who actually endorse these theories, not that means these references did not in fact refer to Pashtuns. All I'm saying is even when we factor these in, we really don't know for sure. There's no "smoking gun" that we can say "yes these are the Pashtuns". If it can be proven our history is 5000 years old; that's fine by me, it would make me proud. If it turns out we're just an amalgam of different roots and our actual ethnogenesis was 900-1,500 years ago. I'm fine with that too. We'll have to wait and see.

I know of the theories that say the Ghilzai are original Turks, but I have a hard time believing this, one is their own oral history, second is the fact that they speak Pashto linguistics is similar to the rest of us even the ones that have lived in isolated valleys.
If one examines the Nuristani, the Pashiye, Kalash and other people who have different linguistics than the people that surround them. Even Alexander was said have encountered these people as well as the Paktyans. Why are their linguists kept in tact for thousands of years but the Ghilzais have not kept any of their linguistics at all. Even the Hazaras have kept many of the Mongol linguistics of their ancestors. The Hazaras use more Turkic linguistics than the Ghilzai's do. That theory does not make sense to me. But nothing is 100% certain.

As for your question about the Qur'an; I believe that the Qur'an is quite possibly a form of very profound inspiration, I don't want to merely diminish the Qur'an since clearly the Qur'an possesses understandings and knowledge of our universe and natural world more profound than what could have been known in their time and may even supercede what we know in our times. Intellectually, my thoughts surmrise that its quite possible that Existence is really nothing more than a State of Consciousness and as conscious beings we can reach into these different degrees of this state and discover profound realities. Time and space itself is a set of dimensions, which means theoretically it is possible, maybe even probable that the mind can navigate around these dimensions and awaken to Reality as it truly is. I believe the Qur'an is the product of these awakenings.

I never heard of Mu'tuzili before but from what I am reading, they do believe in Al-Tawhid, the oneness and unity of God. They believe that the first obligation on people in full possession of their mental abilities, is to use their intellectual ability to ascertain the existence of God. One must wonder about the whole existence, about why something exists rather than nothing. So how can you not be sure God exists. Are you also not sure that we exist. Because if we exist, a creator has to exist.

[khushal]

we have discussed this one about four times in the last year or so. don't you people get bored of repeating the same **** over and over again??

Don't you, you have made this post in almost every thread.

I have never discussed this before so shut up.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Killing some one in a war or jihad is different and killing some one or stoning some one to death by a court of law, or a group of Mullas or taliban under the sanction of a so called Hadith is another thing. Arabs also killed thousands in war when they had power and now the power is shifted to some one else but never never a court in the developed world will punish some one by stoning to death.

Its true killing in jihad and stoning someone for adultery is very different from killing for the war imperialists are waging. The prior is done to maintain and establish moral justice in society. The Other is done to impose their corruption and dysfunctionality all over the world and thus oppress people. Terms like "developed" and "undeveloped" are terms used to confuse people by making their Oppression seem legitimate just because they have more Materialism and make Moral Justice seem illegitimate because they don't have as many materials. The reason Self Proclaimed "Developed" countries. don't stone people in their courts ...is because most immoral things are acceptable and considered normal to them.