Learning the Quran/Beating Children

[Shamaar]

I remember as a child the Qazi was an old Pakistani Mohajjir man.

If we made a mistake or didn't read fast enough he'd punch us in the back. He was skinny, but he packed a wallop.

When you're seven years old a hit like that can make your eyeballs pop out.

It's awful to hear about the sexual predators.

[Roshina]

arrrgghhhh....where was this at? In our village male teaching females Quran was a big no no. Most of the teachers were Bibi's, females.

Though those who thought boys, there were rumors of them praying on the kids. Our family males were very hawkish and protective, so we were spared from the unfortunate circumstances of ever finding out. They also pray on kids from poor families or families that don't have males i.e. matay. They don't dare mess with children which could mean the end of their lives.

You want the actual location, name of the madrasa/school/etc. it happened in? Hell, I'll be happy to give you the full name and address of the man who did it--but privately.

Just like the males they often choose tend to be either poor or not have any male family members to fight for them, they choose girls because for some reason, the girls even at that very young age know that if they speak up, people will either not believe them and punish them for saying such despicable things against their QURAN teachers, or then people (especially women) will blame them for having seduced them. That's why I emphasize the girls' age: under 10! So the man would beat them up each time the girls refused to serve him.

That's sick!.....so how does someone learn how loving and forgiving Allah is?

We don't. That's why most of us don't have any concept of a personal relationship with God... and that's why many kids grow to view God as nothing less monstrous than a vicious bao. Obviously, there are exceptions even with the people who did get beaten up by their teachers.

[emkhan]

^ Tell me about it.
My Quran teacher not only used to beat children up half to death, he also even molested the female students -- who were under 10 years of age.

Thats ehy islam talks of seggregation.
secular people say its not a big issue if opposite genders are caught at the cost of getting education but when it comes to some religious person then you start screaming and crying and use words like molesting and beating and bla bla bla....
Again islam says seggregation seggregation seggregation but for those who have little brain in their skull.

[roadrunner]

Religion like politics attracts the greedy and the power hungry.

Even some men I've observed to be "religious" simply because it helps them get a wife (they claim to be religious but are everything except truly honest, more like lying, cheating scoundrels etc).

The best people I've met have tended to be more secular, or religious in private. But rarely those that are overtly religious.

[emkhan]

Religion like politics attracts the greedy and the power hungry.

Even some men I've observed to be "religious" simply because it helps them get a wife (they claim to be religious but are everything except truly honest, more like lying, cheating scoundrels etc).

The best people I've met have tended to be more secular, or religious in private. But rarely those that are overtly religious.

your problem is that you and many like you are scared of the political islam but im to tell you its coming soon when black face with corruption and hypocracy will be changed into white with lashes on their asses.... hehehehe

[roadrunner]

your problem is that you and many like you are scared of the political islam but im to tell you its coming soon when black face with corruption and hypocracy will be changed into white with lashes on their asses.... hehehehe

Political Islam, Mr Fake, is unimplementable.

It will only take root in places run by backward dictators, or in poverty striken countries.

It will never take hold without force. And there is no force in religion.

In my opinion, political Islam is unislamic as a consequence.

[graveyardofempires]

Political Islam, Mr Fake, is unimplementable.

It will only take root in places run by backward dictators, or in poverty striken countries.

It will never take hold without force. And there is no force in religion.

In my opinion, political Islam is unislamic as a consequence.

what is political islam according to you?

and what about political judaism?

[emkhan]

Political Islam, Mr Fake, is unimplementable.

It will only take root in places run by backward dictators, or in poverty striken countries.

It will never take hold without force. And there is no force in religion.

In my opinion, political Islam is unislamic as a consequence.

there is no force in religion means that you can not make anybody muslim by force...
political islam means a socio political, socio economic system based on justice. where evil is stopped with argument otherwise use of force is mandatory. political islam means to spread goodness and stop evil.

[roadrunner]

what is political islam according to you?

and what about political judaism?

It doesn't exist for me.

If you think it does, tell me about your policies.

what would your society be?

[roadrunner]

there is no force in religion means that you can not make anybody muslim by force...
political islam means a socio political, socio economic system based on justice. where evil is stopped with argument otherwise use of force is mandatory. political islam means to spread goodness and stop evil.

How do you stop evil through repression? Unless you're suggesting yours is not a repressive interpretation?

What is not repressive to you might be repressive to another.

[emkhan]

How do you stop evil through repression? Unless you're suggesting yours is not a repressive interpretation?

What is not repressive to you might be repressive to another.

how the britian is stopping the abusing of laws. how is the america stopping the terorrists from entering the states though its repressive for the terrerists but still america is doing their job.
how the saudi is stopping open drinking though it is liked by many in the country but still the govt is doing its job.
you cant make the evil forces happy, if this is your principle then why dont you enter the terrorists into america, then you should oppose the american invasion over afghanistan and then you should support osama.
if you have brain and open your eyes, the evil forces are discouraged and the good forces are discouraged in different ways.

[roadrunner]

are you drunk or drugged?

[emkhan]

im niether drugged nor drunk... but this question had nothing to do with the above discussion...
you asked me that how the evil would be stopped so i told you the way it is stopped in other countries. i think you dont know anything how the law is implemented.

[roadrunner]

So you would implement repressive laws or not?

Convicting a murderer is not a repressive law.

Something like discrimination by religion might be. Would you force people to pray 5 times a day?

[emkhan]

So you would implement repressive laws or not?

Convicting a murderer is not a repressive law.

Something like discrimination by religion might be. Would you force people to pray 5 times a day?

your problem is that you dont want to understand because there is some evil force in your mind which stops you from understanding and accepting the light. intrepreting the laws is not my job, i am not decide. its the duty of the law makers and we have so may lawmakers in my country. they will do their their job in a very appropriate way.
implementing the laws is not my job, its the job of the law enforcing authorities. so for your knowledge i would suggest to you to study something about the polictical system and civil service, who makes the laws, how the interpretation of laws is made, how is it implemented.

dont ask stupid questions