Future Secular Pukhtoon State and Pornography Laws

[BehavedMaseed]

hahahahaha LOL! ... did i know this or what!... nationalism my foot!

thank u for ur posts akbar khan and jasmine.

For your kind Information my great great grandfather was a Police Officer in Kabul, My long long ago family were Bahlolzai maseeds who ran businesses in present day Afghanistan. So before you get all cheery and happy over akberkhan who loves Pakistan ISI proxies such as Taliban learn about others before you get all excited.

You insult Nationalism because your whole family are tajiks. This is the problem we have also with Pashtuns in Pakistan, they marry a few Punjabis then they refuse to acknowledge what the majority of Pashtuns want to self satisfy their own doings. We had similar cases of Pashtuns who gave their entire family to Punjabis and protested against the renaming of the province from NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa.

AkberKhan is a funny case, he is the guy who wants a Loy Afghanistan through an Islamic Jihad, ignoring that fact that it goes agaisnt every Islamic value to divide the Ummah with Pakistan being Part of it. Pir Rokhan put him in place. He knows himself very well, that the biggest sells out to Pashtuns are those little Terrorists who sit in Afghanistan licking the boots of some Punjabay ISI Karnal and you want to speak about Muhajirs? Iam from Tribal Area of Waziristan, We have never called Pashtuns from Afghanistan as Mujahirs but we do call those Darizuban Hazara/tajiks/uzbeks immigrants as Muhajirs, What people say in Peshawer wont mean all areas hold the similar opinion.

I have spent alot of time with the Pashtuns unity case. On the Afghan side, Ive never seen so much double standards in my life. We have on this forum very sincere Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa who want to unite with Pashtuns in Afghanistan, sadly we in return get called ISI,Punjabay, Fake Pashtun because we dont accept Tajiks,Uzbeks and Hazaras while you guys insult Pakistan all day long and express your concerns of our welfare in Pakistan, We dont need concerns from people who dont even acknowledge the basis tenat of Pashtun Unity and want us to be enslaved again for eternity by Dari Speaking non pashtuns.

If you had some decency and not brainwashed by Afghan-forums then you would realise Pashtun Unity can not be acheived when you have non pashtuns, tajiks,arabs and other non relevant people dictating to us who to accept and who to reject.

If your true to your roots you would put pashtuns first, enough of this Islamic Muslim brotherood non sense talk, you think the Muslims of Pakistan are going to accept you, are the muslims of tajikistan,uzbekistan and iran are going to accept you just for praying towards the same direction, its a evil twisted world out there and if you dont protect your own Pashtun peoples interests then prepare for a life of doom.

The streets are very cold and cruel, Pashtuns are suffering and living a life of extreme poverty. Always picture that before you comment again.

Kind Regards

[akbarkhan]

So before you get all cheery and happy over akberkhan who loves Pakistan ISI proxies such as Taliban learn about others before you get all excited.

Your uncle works directly for the ISI, getting orders from Qadiyani Pakistani military to slaughter Pashtuns. You still call that kind of a despicable person your 'uncle'!?

Not that it is going to happen, but if I ever came across your uncle or his type you will then find out how much I 'love' ISI.

[Feroza_Banu]

For your kind Information my great great grandfather was a Police Officer in Kabul, My long long ago family were Bahlolzai maseeds who ran businesses in present day Afghanistan. So before you get all cheery and happy over akberkhan who loves Pakistan ISI proxies such as Taliban learn about others before you get all excited.

oh so your great grandfather is an excuse for your uncle to be in ISI?

You insult Nationalism because your whole family are tajiks.

you seem to know me personally? get over yourself... I am not pakistan's ISI agent's nephew... so definitely i wont agree with you...

your nationalist talk is ALL BULL $HiTTTTTT because your own blood your own uncle is killing pashtoons in the name of taliban and terrorist...

go hide or kill yourself... if you have enough courage go stand up to your uncle, or better SHOOT HIM to show ur nationalism.

AkberKhan is a funny case, he is the guy who wants a Loy Afghanistan through an Islamic Jihad, ignoring that fact that it goes agaisnt every Islamic value to divide the Ummah with Pakistan being Part of it. Pir Rokhan put him in place. He knows himself very well, that the biggest sells out to Pashtuns are those little Terrorists who sit in Afghanistan licking the boots of some Punjabay ISI Karnal and you want to speak about Muhajirs? Iam from Tribal Area of Waziristan, We have never called Pashtuns from Afghanistan as Mujahirs but we do call those Darizuban Hazara/tajiks/uzbeks immigrants as Muhajirs, What people say in Peshawer wont mean all areas hold the similar opinion.

i don't know who akbarkhan brother is personally and it looks like u know each one of us personally but oh wait u are the same maseed who likes to speak about everyone and everything from his stomach... ur talks are all BS to me from now on... u turned out to be extremely coward person.

I have spent alot of time with the Pashtuns unity case. On the Afghan side, Ive never seen so much double standards in my life. We have on this forum very sincere Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa who want to unite with Pashtuns in Afghanistan, sadly we in return get called ISI,Punjabay, Fake Pashtun because we dont accept Tajiks,Uzbeks and Hazaras while you guys insult Pakistan all day long and express your concerns of our welfare in Pakistan, We dont need concerns from people who dont even acknowledge the basis tenat of Pashtun Unity and want us to be enslaved again for eternity by Dari Speaking non pashtuns.

you have spent alot of time bull $hitting yourself about pashtoon unity nothing else... to me and to my country u are a nephew of an ISI agent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

enough said!... the res tof your post is again BS

If you had some decency and not brainwashed by Afghan-forums then you would realise Pashtun Unity can not be acheived when you have non pashtuns, tajiks,arabs and other non relevant people dictating to us who to accept and who to reject.

if you had some decency not to be brainwashed by your uncle you could see beyond your hatred of tajiks and hazaras... do i expect anything more from someone who belongs to this type of family? u have nerve speaking!... usually pashtoons in ur position would hide the fact that their family members are ISI members... our of something called SHARAM... embarassment...

the real ghairati ones will either kill him or themselves or at least break relationship with him... oh and please dont come back and say u have broken ur ties with him that will be bigger BS than anything else u have written on this forum.

If your true to your roots you would put pashtuns first, enough of this Islamic Muslim brotherood non sense talk, you think the Muslims of Pakistan are going to accept you, are the muslims of tajikistan,uzbekistan and iran are going to accept you just for praying towards the same direction, its a evil twisted world out there and if you dont protect your own Pashtun peoples interests then prepare for a life of doom.

i don't u or anyone else... i have a country i can call my own. how much true i am to my roots a ISI agent's nephew shouldn't be able to judge.

The streets are very cold and cruel, Pashtuns are suffering and living a life of extreme poverty. Always picture that before you comment again.

your uncle is one of the reason why!
dont talk to me, go do something about him.

Kind Regards

GO TO HELL!

[Wrayun]

I have never asked for any one to be killed.

Did I?

On the other hand you guys have killed pashtoon women, children and men. Under one religious excuse or another. Calling names is a lot less criminal than killing, get that fact straight.

Who is "you guys"?

Nobody is falling for it. What is happening in swat will spread more, under no circumstance are the islamist going to win, even if kaaba goes in the process. I do agree that in the process there is still a lot of money to be made on the salafi side, before you will switch over the next day, Shave the beard, lower the partoog and claim to be a safeer of progress. Have seen many change colors faster than a peacock.

You moan about how I am mixing porn with secularism and atheism, yet you go on to project that some how a Muslim must be a blood thirsty bearded maniac. Not fair to all those secular Muslims on your side.

Have the pashtoon ladies in porn that you direct get her blessing, I am blessed already.

Whats wrong with adult, sane and mature Pukhtoon women in a secular state wanting to do porn? If they don't prescribe to your backward thinking when it comes to sex, doesn't make them wrong. Hope you realize your folly.

As a secular atheist you should instead defend their right to porn. You should proclaim that you disagree with their choice, but if that is their decision, more power to them. And I will respect that.

[Wrayun]

It is no use to tell you time and again that you are awfully confusing Atheism and Secularism. ----nonetheless, can I ask you which secular state has allowed and institutionalised pornography?. India is a secular state, has it statuted any immoral law?
Btw, do you know what sins are being commited by our sancrosancts in the under the garb of religion?, homosexuality inside a Madrassa with handsome " chanree", by a hush hush bearded Moalim.As they say;
Che za talib oom maa ba dera naarawa kawala----Har sa ba der woo maa ba meena pa halwa kawala
Da khukalee chanree ba me khukale peghla jora karala----- Da Joome shpa bande me dagha naarawa kawala

You don't know much about India do you? India has a strong thriving porn industry in the South. India is also a young democracy, but even then Bollywood has changed from what it was just 20 years ago. There are many works in progress to do away with the censor boards. Give it a few more years and you'll see what I mean.

N' I don't have anything to do with Mullahs and their lusts. You can keep such tirades in your pocket because they dont seem to add anything valuable to the discussion.

[akbarkhan]

AkberKhan is a funny case, he is the guy who wants a Loy Afghanistan through an Islamic Jihad, ignoring that fact that it goes agaisnt every Islamic value to divide the Ummah with Pakistan being Part of it. Pir Rokhan put him in place.

Akbar khan changed his surname because a far relative turned a communist during the soviet invasion! Ask anyone who knows Akbar khan personally and they will tell you that, there are a couple of people who know me personally right here on PF!

Young kid, you are yet to be potty trained! I don't see Pakistan as an Islamic state hence it is permissible to wage war against it until a Sharia government is installed.

Furthermore, in Islam there is a something called property law! And according to Sharia if someone snatches your property then it is your right to get it back even if it is from your own brother let alone some Punjabi who shares bed with oppressors!

The Pakistani state has snatched my property through deceit and constant aggression, Islam infact encourages me to take back what is mine! That land is mine, I will take it back! And along the way I will step on you little cockroaches and your ISI uncle types like there is no tomorrow!

[Wrayun]

Great post! spot on! So this means that Mullah omar is more secular than me and you? LOL

About the disclaimer:

Don't worry Maseed.Read the first post on this thread by Wrayun. If that can be tolerated and not reported, then by my typical conservative Pashtane standards, I declare yours to be less profane and scatologic.

There is nothing profane in the topic, there is nothing vulgar. It is a mere suggestion. For a free thinker you are very intolerant of ideas. If you are offended, that's you. In a secular state if there are Pukhtoon women who wish to do porn, their rights should be respected. As an atheist secularists you dont have to agree with them. You dont have be ashamed for them. It would be just like me suggesting to you to wear burkha, or do satar from the strange men walking on the streets of New York, or your professors, or you colleagues because I am offended. In that case you would tell me to go take a hike. Which you should.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Levanaye Zalmaye;

Wrayun;

I prefer it when people watch, hope you don't shy away now.

Wrong answer. The correct one was, "God is always watching".

Actually a better reply would have been: so what if its Islamic or Arabic?

I still prefer mine.

Damn right, my right to pornography should be protected.

Wrong. Read my post again. Democratic institutions protect your rights created by you (yourself) and protected by your own appointed representatives. What that means is that if you want porn, gather enough like-minded people (2/3rds sounds just about good enough) and bring about your change. If 2/3rds don't agree, you're gonna have to survive on your black-market pr0n or you can Google "horse sax" like the rest of your Pakistani brothers and survive on that. I doubt you'll ever get that number of porn-lovers in our part of the world. Your right to say anything you want here on PF also comes from democracy. A theocratic dictatorship would ban such exchanges faster than you can say camel porn.

Definitely! I need an educated population to appreciate the artistic quality in things.

You don't. Pakistan's 50% illiterate masses speak for themselves. You need education for other things - the sorta stuff that doesn't have anything to do with porn. However, that's tough for you because for a Mullah, everything boils down to fornication and young girls having sex while under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

Okay. At least you admitted that it will happen, even after 200 years, without having to bring up the majority and what it might be for or against (a true secular state should never compromise the freedom of any group no matter how insignificant).

I give you credit for that.

I never said it will happen. I said it may or may not happen, we can't tell. Who would've thought in the 16th century (they were publicly burning heretics to death back then) that Europe would actually one day tolerate religious diversity and give the likes of you asylum/citizenship? You know, people who take advantage of democratic institutions but then turn around and say, "we wants theocracy, freedom can go to hell, kthxbye lulz".

People who've never been deprived of freedom never knows its true value. You, along with the rest of the "We want Shari'ah" and "democracy can go to hell" crowd are hypocrites. You are living in the West, taking advantage of everything achieved by the West after it broke the chains of religious slavery 400 years ago whilst dreaming about implementing an absolutist theocracy on us. Aakhir waley? What have we ever done to not deserve what you enjoy on a daily basis? Are we subhumans who should only be ruled by the stick and you're a proper evolved human being who is the only one deserving of freedom? Do you think you would've achieved what you have in a theocracy? Our people deserve better than the Taliban and their thinly veiled allies.

[Baygham]

For your kind Information my great great grandfather was a Police Officer in Kabul, My long long ago family were Bahlolzai maseeds who ran businesses in present day Afghanistan. So before you get all cheery and happy over akberkhan who loves Pakistan ISI proxies such as Taliban learn about others before you get all excited.

You insult Nationalism because your whole family are tajiks. This is the problem we have also with Pashtuns in Pakistan, they marry a few Punjabis then they refuse to acknowledge what the majority of Pashtuns want to self satisfy their own doings. We had similar cases of Pashtuns who gave their entire family to Punjabis and protested against the renaming of the province from NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa.

AkberKhan is a funny case, he is the guy who wants a Loy Afghanistan through an Islamic Jihad, ignoring that fact that it goes agaisnt every Islamic value to divide the Ummah with Pakistan being Part of it. Pir Rokhan put him in place. He knows himself very well, that the biggest sells out to Pashtuns are those little Terrorists who sit in Afghanistan licking the boots of some Punjabay ISI Karnal and you want to speak about Muhajirs? Iam from Tribal Area of Waziristan, We have never called Pashtuns from Afghanistan as Mujahirs but we do call those Darizuban Hazara/tajiks/uzbeks immigrants as Muhajirs, What people say in Peshawer wont mean all areas hold the similar opinion.

I have spent alot of time with the Pashtuns unity case. On the Afghan side, Ive never seen so much double standards in my life. We have on this forum very sincere Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa who want to unite with Pashtuns in Afghanistan, sadly we in return get called ISI,Punjabay, Fake Pashtun because we dont accept Tajiks,Uzbeks and Hazaras while you guys insult Pakistan all day long and express your concerns of our welfare in Pakistan, We dont need concerns from people who dont even acknowledge the basis tenat of Pashtun Unity and want us to be enslaved again for eternity by Dari Speaking non pashtuns.

If you had some decency and not brainwashed by Afghan-forums then you would realise Pashtun Unity can not be acheived when you have non pashtuns, tajiks,arabs and other non relevant people dictating to us who to accept and who to reject.

If your true to your roots you would put pashtuns first, enough of this Islamic Muslim brotherood non sense talk, you think the Muslims of Pakistan are going to accept you, are the muslims of tajikistan,uzbekistan and iran are going to accept you just for praying towards the same direction, its a evil twisted world out there and if you dont protect your own Pashtun peoples interests then prepare for a life of doom.

The streets are very cold and cruel, Pashtuns are suffering and living a life of extreme poverty. Always picture that before you comment again.

Kind Regards

Dear BehavedMaseed,
dont lose heart. The proud pashtoons of afghanistan are not done. Just the other day a close friend was driving from kabul to peshawar. After crossing Mayper mountain (which most in kabul cant imagine to cross) it is the same peaple. While ordering some coke and chips he told the shop keeper not to put too much 'marchakay', as they call it 'mirch' he immediately recognized that the buddy was from pakhtunkhwa. He refused to take his money.

If this had happened 30 years ago we would say that was then. This happened last month. So I am not concerned. These ISI agents cannot kill our pakhtu. Once outside connections are cut, I have no problem with my homie, talib, mullah, kasab, batiar, police, paoji, bussinessmen or who ever else. As brothers we will sort it out.

[Baygham]

Did I?........................

Islamic law does. Are you preaching than say so, why the pretence.

Who is "you guys"?



You moan about how I am mixing porn with secularism and atheism, yet you go on to project that some how a Muslim must be a blood thirsty bearded maniac. Not fair to all those secular Muslims on your side.

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Muslims are not blood thirty beasts. Islamic law imposed on a population allows blood thirsty behaviour to be manifested. I am not against the peaple I am against the doctrine. Like an AIDS patient, I dont hate him, I hate the disease.

Whats wrong with adult, sane and mature Pukhtoon women in a secular state wanting to do porn? If they don't prescribe to your backward thinking when it comes to sex, doesn't make them wrong. Hope you realize your folly.

As a secular atheist you should instead defend their right to porn. You should proclaim that you disagree with their choice, but if that is their decision, more power to them. And I will respect that........

I am not stupid to fall for that one. Your childish attempts to equate the call for progress through unity, diversity and tolerance with fear mongering to touch on the most sensitive of pashtoon values is cunning, vile but I must say quite well thought off. None the less, no body is falling for it. It is no different than what mullahs used to say, when pashtoons children started going to schools set up by baacha khan. I quoted that above. So keep yapping.

[Baygham]

There is nothing profane in the topic, there is nothing vulgar. It is a mere suggestion. For a free thinker you are very intolerant of ideas. If you are offended, that's you. In a secular state if there are Pukhtoon women who wish to do porn, their rights should be respected. As an atheist secularists you dont have to agree with them. You dont have be ashamed for them. It would be just like me suggesting to you to wear burkha, or do satar from the strange men walking on the streets of New York, or your professors, or you colleagues because I am offended. In that case you would tell me to go take a hike. Which you should.

I discuss all my ideas at home and wish them for my family first and pashtoons second. I recommend you do the same and then come and preach us. Nothing on this board that I defend am I not proud off. I will wish it for my children and my pashtoons. Can you say the same. Other wise keep your cunning charade in Riawand-punjab, we are not bitting.

[ijaz yousafzai]

You don't know much about India do you? India has a strong thriving porn industry in the South. India is also a young democracy, but even then Bollywood has changed from what it was just 20 years ago. There are many works in progress to do away with the censor boards. Give it a few more years and you'll see what I mean.

N' I don't have anything to do with Mullahs and their lusts. You can keep such tirades in your pocket because they dont seem to add anything valuable to the discussion.

Are you really satisfied with your paranoid statement?
Do you think pornography has not developed in the non-secular Pakistan, with the same pace as that of India? And about the Mullah's lust, it is all reflective of the hypocricy the religious circles have, who in turn advocate theocracy.

[Baygham]

Are you really satisfied with your paranoid statement?
Do you think pornography has not developed in the non-secular Pakistan, with the same pace as that of India? And about the Mullah's lust, it is all reflective of the hypocricy the religious circles have, who in turn advocate theocracy.

This wrayun islamaist, got me thinking and I realised he can fullfill his dreams under his version of islam.

He said in one post that he does not care much for Hadith, that tells me he is a pervaizay (koranist-is the more fashionable term these days).

Well dear, line up your porn stars, have them sign an agreement under the Quranic verse 4:24. "Then give those of these women you have enjoyed the agreed dower" as revealed on the subject of the mut‘ah marriage.
Have the mut‘ah marriage end in a week or two after shooting is over.

Then start shooting, their is nothing in the Quran that prohibits a married couple videotape a sexual encounter.

hey you can even bypass child pornography laws (such a filthy western secular concept- you would say). Well nothing holding you from that either. Line the 13-14 year old in the same way as well.

Now with all your knowledge show me How you will stop someone in your islamic republic from shooting porn this way using only the Quran.

[eusuphxai]

I didn't know we had a state (be it secular, islamic or any other?), thats breaking news for me.

You people love to talk about "issues" don't you, and i am amazed how brilliantly all of you identify the burning issue of today.No its not the deaths of pashtuns from floods, thats minor, its not them being killed for the last 30 years without discrimination by, punjabyan, firangyan and communistan.

Sitting in a comfortable chair, having all the facilities in the world, and allowed to practice or not practice your religion, and telling about all this is no more than IRONY.

Do you all really think pakhtun child with no shoes on begging on street all days give a damn about a secular or islam state, if he the power he will tear you both apart.

All you are worried about winning argument and see who is comming with most witty answer , and some are so ready to just thank and tell the other party see he iss sooo clever.

ONE LIFE.GET ONE.

[akbarkhan]

This wrayun islamaist, got me thinking and I realised he can fullfill his dreams under his version of islam.

He said in one post that he does not care much for Hadith, that tells me he is a pervaizay (koranist-is the more fashionable term these days).

Well dear, line up your porn stars, have them sign an agreement under the Quranic verse 4:24. "Then give those of these women you have enjoyed the agreed dower" as revealed on the subject of the mut‘ah marriage.
Have the mut‘ah marriage end in a week or two after shooting is over.

Then start shooting, their is nothing in the Quran that prohibits a married couple videotape a sexual encounter.

hey you can even bypass child pornography laws (such a filthy western secular concept- you would say). Well nothing holding you from that either. Line the 13-14 year old in the same way as well.

Now with all your knowledge show me How you will stop someone in your islamic republic from shooting porn this way using only the Quran.

Muta'h is unislamic, furthermore Allah swt forbids all acts of lewdness. Taping one's spouse is an act of utter lewdness!

Lo! Allah enjoineth justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbiddeth lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorteth you in order that ye may take heed. 16:90

There are even Sahih Ahadith indicating that partners should not look at each others sexual organs. Ever thought why people in i.e Afghanistan have sex with lights off?