Future Secular Pukhtoon State and Pornography Laws

[akbarkhan]

My uncle is a Major in ISPR and He was present there

Your uncle works for Pakistani intelligence service, the very intelligence service that slaughters Pashtuns yet you are talking about Pashtun this and that!

People like you don't even deserve to be called Pashtuns, the moment **** hits the fan you call yourselves 'Pakistani'.

You are subservient to Punjabis, now shut that hole.

[Wrayun]

Levanaye Zalmaye;

There's room for one more in my closet... no one's watching...

I prefer it when people watch, hope you don't shy away now.

The concept of ghairat exists in every society, regardless of the level of adherence amongst its inhabitants in regards to religious rituals.

Actually a better reply would have been: so what if its Islamic or Arabic?

Within the liberal democratic framework, the people are sovereign. They make their own rules. Before coming to any conclusions though, you should read the entire paragraph. Now direct democracies can be a little problematic. For instance, the Swiss population voted to ban minarets, which is essentially taking away someone else's freedom through the ballot box. Jamaat-e-Islami wishes to do the same through indirect democracy - win enough seats in parliament to introduce its version of Shariah. In Algeria, had the Islamic Salvation Front won in 1992 through elections, those would've been the last elections in Algerian history. So the democratic process itself can be overthrown through democratic means! Therefore, there should be safeguards against this - for instance, a body that ensures the continuation of secular ideals and the democratic process. I like the Turkish model in this regard.

Damn right, my right to pornography should be protected.

However, the best safeguard is education. Democracies are best suited for educated societies where the institutions of democracies are strong. Education is the best way of ensuring the continuity of the democratic process. If we look at 19th century European history, we find that all the revolutions that aimed to bring about secular and liberal change were only made possible after knowledge had become widespread.

Definitely! I need an educated population to appreciate the artistic quality in things.

Now if Pashtuns somehow break the chains of slavery that bind them today and manage to create a state, implement effective education policies and build a prosperous society, I still do not see them enacting laws that legalize porn. Perhaps after 200 years, they might - who knows? Right now, there's no sign of any Pashtun remotely interested in regulating and taxing a legal porn industry. There is a thriving home-grown porn black market in Peshawar, by the way. Our people are shy about these things.

Okay. At least you admitted that it will happen, even after 200 years, without having to bring up the majority and what it might be for or against (a true secular state should never compromise the freedom of any group no matter how insignificant).

I give you credit for that.

[akbarkhan]

Your uncle works for Pakistan yet you are here preaching "unity" to us?

Akbar Khan, couldn't have said it better!


I think many of you don't get the thread. Its pretty creative and think before you respond.

He is now going to attempt and eat his words back.

They say calm waters run deep! Those who shout the loudest about Pashtuns are infact the ones who sell them out.

These are the type of guys who used to call us 'muhajira' back in NWFP, our blood, on our own soil calling us Muhajira? Surely the blood is diluted!

[Michin Khel]

Your uncle works for Pakistan yet you are here preaching "unity" to us?

Akbar Khan, couldn't have said it better!

My father works as teacher for governament school, he is servant of pakistani governament, it doesnt means that he has disqualified as pashtun. Do you agree?

[akbarkhan]

My father works as teacher for governament school, he is servant of pakistani governament, it doesnt means that he has disqualified as pashtun. Do you agree?

Can you not see the difference between a teacher and a major in ISPR?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Your uncle works for Pakistan yet you are here preaching "unity" to us?

Akbar Khan, couldn't have said it better!


I think many of you don't get the thread. Its pretty creative and think before you respond.

not only does his uncle work for pakistan, but he himself recently registered to pashtunforums with the nickname pakistaniwazir to offend afghans.

[Baygham]

No no no you are switching roles here. It is my job, as a religious nut to be making references to peoples mothers, calling people paid collaborators, and promoting all sorts of other conspiracies. Not yours.

And what is this Our Enemy? Are you making takfir against me? How dare you, thats my job!

You can refer to my mother all you want, she is an old Pukhtoon lady, she will make dua for your health.

I have never asked for any one to be killed.

On the other hand you guys have killed pashtoon women, children and men. Under one religious excuse or another. Calling names is a lot less criminal than killing, get that fact straight.

Nobody is falling for it. What is happening in swat will spread more, under no circumstance are the islamist going to win, even if kaaba goes in the process. I do agree that in the process there is still a lot of money to be made on the salafi side, before you will switch over the next day, Shave the beard, lower the partoog and claim to be a safeer of progress. Have seen many change colors faster than a peacock.

Have the pashtoon ladies in porn that you direct get her blessing, I am blessed already.

[Khan Gul]

One day, perhaps after many years of struggle between the forces of God and the forces of materialism (whether they are called 'communism', 'atheism', or 'secularism') it will be finally be understood that it is impossible either to 'secularize' or to 'religionize' a human being and a society, and that the unnatural attempt to create a division between the various aspects of the human personality, which together represent an organic whole, has resulted in the diseases of fragmentation, alienation and disintegration--the utter personal, social and moral chaos and confusion which has beset our society in our time.

[Baygham]

Working for Government school and working for the Army brings 2 different problems. I am shocked at your level of ignorance when it comes to distinguishing between a Major in ISPR and a teacher.

Read Akbar Khans post carefully with your eyes widened. Being employed for the Army or a Spy intelligence that makes a living on slaughtering Pashtuns is someone who I will never consider Pashtun. Never in my life. So if your dad is a teacher, how can he possibly harm us? He is a proud Pashtun in my eyes but here is where it gets tricky, If he was the Chief of Intelligence, I would be the first to throw my shoe at him.

Jasmine khore, the islamist on pakistan side have no incentive of helping pashtoons, in their homes in pakhtunkhwa or in kabul.

Pashtoons want it or not, the world will let them sink into chaos like in somalia for decades but will not let them become an islamic power.

As far as being in the paki army is concerned. The major and lower level paki army are servants. They like the school teacher and other government official though no saints are living day to day.

In the 1950 and 60 most of pakistans generals were some sort of pashtoons, they used to have 8-10 generals and 70-80% would be pashtoons or from pashtoon areas. Now they have close to 400 and all or 99% are from punjabi, or non pashtoon peaple of other provinces.

The pakistan army is as much an ethnic army as one can imagine. But this is true of most muslim countries. The alawis in syria are only 5% yet have all the top army spots. The foot soldier is tied down, unable to do anything but feed his family the next meal.

[Baygham]

One day, perhaps after many years of struggle between the forces of God and the forces of materialism (whether they are called 'communism', 'atheism', or 'secularism') it will be finally be understood that it is impossible either to 'secularize' or to 'religionize' a human being and a society, and that the unnatural attempt to create a division between the various aspects of the human personality, which together represent an organic whole, has resulted in the diseases of fragmentation, alienation and disintegration--the utter personal, social and moral chaos and confusion which has beset our society in our time.

they say you cant clap with one hand.

If one side wants to coexist, and the other side wants to kill everyone but themselves. Than which system should we impose on ourselves.

[BehavedMaseed]

These Shariat and Islamists deceive the gullable and naive mind of some Pashtuns into beleiving they will become a global Islamist state ignoring the fact that no matter what these Islamists or shariat supporters do they will never become anything! look at Somalia, chechnya, nigeria etc people are forced by violence and emotional blackmail to follow the laws of Islam.

Kind Regards

[ijaz yousafzai]

You got it all wrong. I never said that secularist and atheists are perverted. That is a wrong notion. Atheists and secularists have morals (as I am told).

It's not an atheist that is inquiring here. It is Wrayun, a future capitalist, and I can be a Muslim (not a good one if I am producing porn) or a Hindu (don't know what they think about it, probably don't approve - what does hindupashtun say?) Or I could be an atheist. But in this case, I am NOT an atheist.

The point, is, that I, Wrayun, am asking, the secularist atheists of the future secular Pukhtoon state, who are probably very much against porn (very very bad thing), due to their virtuous morals (unlike mines), if laws will allow me to pursuit this in their marvelous, fantastic, democratic, free thinking, future secular Pukhtoon state.

It is no use to tell you time and again that you are awfully confusing Atheism and Secularism. ----nonetheless, can I ask you which secular state has allowed and institutionalised pornography?. India is a secular state, has it statuted any immoral law?
Btw, do you know what sins are being commited by our sancrosancts under the garb of religion?, homosexuality inside a Madrassa with handsome " chanree", by a hush hush bearded Moalim.As they say;
Che za talib oom maa ba dera naarawa kawala----Har sa ba der woo maa ba meena pa halwa kawala
Da khukalee chanree ba me khukale peghla jora karala----- Da Joome shpa bande me dagha naarawa kawala

[BehavedMaseed]

Look right I dont want to hurt peoples feelings or be offensive but this association with Secularism and Pornography is very amusing because in Islam and Hadith Muslims who are granted Heaven will have a sexual orgy with 72 virigns, Mullahs have even told worshippers in mosques and on videos of how beautiful the girls will be etc. I dont want to offend our members here but isnt that very similar to pornography, Pornography is basically selling material that erotically sexualises the viewers/readers minds into perversion. If a Relgionous Leader is telling his followers ie Mullah Omar tells his followers that this life is nothing compared to the virgin girls of Paradise, I mean would they teach this in schools if Shariat was brought, that in paradise you will have unlimited sex and wine and the girls will be much better than those in this life.

Iam just giving your my own view so please dont report me or get offended.

Iam a nice person and I wish nobody any harm. Disclaimer

Kind Regards

[Feroza_Banu]

This is especially for akber khan



My uncle is a Major in ISPR and He was present there

Kind Regards

Your uncle works for Pakistani intelligence service, the very intelligence service that slaughters Pashtuns yet you are talking about Pashtun this and that!

People like you don't even deserve to be called Pashtuns, the moment **** hits the fan you call yourselves 'Pakistani'.

You are subservient to Punjabis, now shut that hole.

Your uncle works for Pakistan yet you are here preaching "unity" to us?

Akbar Khan, couldn't have said it better!


I think many of you don't get the thread. Its pretty creative and think before you respond.

He is now going to attempt and eat his words back.

They say calm waters run deep! Those who shout the loudest about Pashtuns are infact the ones who sell them out.

These are the type of guys who used to call us 'muhajira' back in NWFP, our blood, on our own soil calling us Muhajira? Surely the blood is diluted!

hahahahaha LOL! ... did i know this or what!... nationalism my foot!

thank u for ur posts akbar khan and jasmine.

[PFgulalai]

Look right I dont want to hurt peoples feelings or be offensive but this association with Secularism and Pornography is very amusing because in Islam and Hadith Muslims who are granted Heaven will have a sexual orgy with 72 virigns, Mullahs have even told worshippers in mosques and on videos of how beautiful the girls will be etc. I dont want to offend our members here but isnt that very similar to pornography, Pornography is basically selling material that erotically sexualises the viewers/readers minds into perversion. If a Relgionous Leader is telling his followers ie Mullah Omar tells his followers that this life is nothing compared to the virgin girls of Paradise, I mean would they teach this in schools if Shariat was brought, that in paradise you will have unlimited sex and wine and the girls will be much better than those in this life.

Iam just giving your my own view so please dont report me or get offended.

Iam a nice person and I wish nobody any harm. Disclaimer

Kind Regards

Great post! spot on! So this means that Mullah omar is more secular than me and you? LOL

About the disclaimer:

Don't worry Maseed.Read the first post on this thread by Wrayun. If that can be tolerated and not reported, then by my typical conservative Pashtane standards, I declare yours to be less profane and scatologic.