Tajik Views of the Durrand Line

[BLS_1919v2.0]

NO! lar aw bar yaw afghan is not a flop idea because THANKS TO ALLAH swt... not every pashtoon of pashtoonkhwa thinks like you.

BLS is a good example...

Please remember one thing Luffy... If afghans in afghanistan fail to live peacefully with each other and fail to get along with each other in the same country, then when Loy pashtoonkhwa is formed and afghanistan has split... pashtoons won't be able to live peacefully either!... now afghanistan has ethnic issues but at that time loy pashtoonkhwa will have tribal issues...

I am not goint to explain it more to you , you are 40 years old ... u should know what iam referring to.

Awal kho manana khor.

Loy Pashtunkhwa may be in an ideal will work, but it will be at the expense of giving up the north (and by the same token we will give parts of hazara division as well)...it will also put us in the middle of multiple civil wars. It isn't just one thing...there is a political and strategic consequences. We all should strive for unity and betterment of Pashtuns, but we have to look at each situation by its merit. What is the political reality for North Afghanistan and its solutions is not the same for Pashtunkhwa's problems vis a vis Pakistan. That doesn't mean we are two different people, it just means we have to look at two portions of our land and find solutions for them according to their political dynamic. They are really simple concepts.

[Feroza_Banu]

I won't quote it all, and I'd usually just thank.. but wow. Sincerity at its most.

I could totally imagine you giving this as a speech, and I could even hear the national anthem in the background.

Very well said. Feroza for President.

Thank you for your kind words...

lol @ national anthem playing in the background haha

[Feroza_Banu]

Awal kho manana khor.

Loy Pashtunkhwa may be in an ideal will work, but it will be at the expense of giving up the north (and by the same token we will give parts of hazara division as well)...it will also put us in the middle of multiple civil wars. It isn't just one thing...there is a political and strategic consequences. We all should strive for unity and betterment of Pashtuns, but we have to look at each situation by its merit. What is the political reality for North Afghanistan and its solutions is not the same for Pashtunkhwa's problems vis a vis Pakistan. That doesn't mean we are two different people, it just means we have to look at two portions of our land and find solutions for them according to their political dynamic. They are really simple concepts.

I completely agree with you. Politics is not a child's game... i am sure you are aware of it... analyzing all of what you have explained is beyond the intelligence and comprehension level of our simple minded pashtoons on both sides... they are facing a disease of illiteracy. I consider it a lethal disease. Most of afghanistan's pashtoons are not formally educated and most of the pashtoonkhwa pashtoons are fed hatred of their own mother land and their own pashtoons.

Rather than working on strategies we jump to take shortcuts and those shortcuts turn out to be longer and more complicated way than expected.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Maseda da khpay ra raosta shwa

da Khubawalu Naran Parkatey kegey..... hela da chay poye ba wa

KHWAR PA HINDUSTAN KHWAR DA........

Mannnnnnna

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I completely agree with you. Politics is not a child's game... i am sure you are aware of it... analyzing all of what you have explained is beyond the intelligence and comprehension level of our simple minded pashtoons on both sides... they are facing a disease of illiteracy. I consider it a lethal disease. Most of afghanistan's pashtoons are not formally educated and most of the pashtoonkhwa pashtoons are fed hatred of their own mother land and their own pashtoons.

Rather than working on strategies we jump to take shortcuts and those shortcuts turn out to be longer and more complicated way than expected.

It isn't necessarily hatred. Basically the situation in Pashtunkhwa is very complex and the past 60 years has tainted any form of Pashtun movements (especially the last 20-30). Pashtunkhwa is not a unified region politically...since the treaty of gandamak and Durand (oh and after one unit broke up post-Ayub Khan), it is subdivided into 4 portions: Southern Pashtunkhwa (N. Balochistan), Central Pashtunkhwa FATA, Khyber Pashtunkhwa and mianwali/attok. Now each have their own political entites and certain rules apply in one area that do not apply in others. This has led to political gaps in the Pashtun community that need to be rectified. Even within Khyber-Pashtunkhwa, we have different political systems: PATA, Frontier region, and settled districts. So you have a nation which is first divided in half and then further sub divided into more portions. So this is one of the biggest hurdles in Pashtunkhwa. It also explains why militancy and political maneuvering from Islamabad is so easy (and the British before them).

I mean there are rural qibaeelee pashtuns who are your basic Pashtuns (they get along with Pashtuns in general, same pashto culture and language as other Pashtuns, etc), and then you have some in the system who are part and parcel of the establishment. They don't really see their interests with the greater Pashtun/Afghan nation rather within the context of Pakistan.

Pashtuns on both sides are illiterate, most areas are underdeveloped...they are still the centre of any regional or international political game. And basically until they don't get out of their state of coma they will continue to be so. But hey lets just blame each other....we seem to great at it anyways lolzz.

[Michin Khel]

I am not member of any loy pakhtunkhwa or loy afghanistan movement. I am a pashtun who is leading a busy life in pakistan, i dont think that afghanistan is my country.
Afghans say to me that you can be either pashtun or pakistani, a pashtun cant be pakistani. I am puzzled if i throw off pakistani citizenship, where i would go, afghanistan?
The answer is big no, but the point is that why we are put in test only?. Now that they are being put in test, they are feeling offended and are getting emotional.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I am not member of any loy pakhtunkhwa or loy afghanistan movement. I am a pashtun who is leading a busy life in pakistan, i dont think that afghanistan is my country.
Afghans say to me that you can be either pashtun or pakistani, a pashtun cant be pakistani. I am puzzled if i throw off pakistani citizenship, where i would go, afghanistan?
The answer is big no, but the point is that why we are put in test only?. Now that they are being put in test, they are feeling offended and are getting emotional.

No whoever says that is irrational. Obviously Pakistan is a state and within that context 60 % of our people are "pakistani" by citizenship. That shouldnt even a problem let alone an issue of contention. What is important is that we Pashtuns see our future together. That we look outside the context of pakistan, and forge a new future. There is a fine line between political change and being irrational. That person was being confusing.

[Nokia_Apridy]

hahaha

wooooos da oledu tar wosa oda wa ka sa?

[ayub]

[Shayesta]

@Feroza
Since I can't thank you a million times for your BRILLIANT reply, I will try to bow down at least a million times. Don't forget to count, here it goes!;

Warka dang... pa tajikano mra de.

Zaar shem Afghanistan na, zaar shem har Afghaan na. Pukhtane ya Hazaragan di, tool pe de khawre qurbaan di. Uzbekan ya Tajikan di, tool baylelai pase khpel zaan di. De cha che da watan imaan de, de cha che da watan jahaan de, hagha de dei watan rokhaan, aw hagha yaw ting Afghaan dai.

[Michin Khel]

We filthy dhaalkhors want afghanistan to be a prosperous and peaceful country so if pashtuns of afghanistan trust tajiks and co then we respect it.

[Shayesta]

^ No, you ain't a filthy person at all. Even you are a human being and despite of our political relationships, even you as a human being deserve a life which is not even half as screwed as lives of many Afghans. But I can only request you to please not comment on things you don't know about, even though you know how sensitive that issue is amongst Afghans! Otherwise, I like the thing about you that there are times you admit you are wrong, which very few people do. But this is the opinion of the majority, deal with it.

[Feroza_Banu]

@Feroza
Since I can't thank you a million times for your BRILLIANT reply, I will try to bow down at least a million times. Don't forget to count, here it goes!;


Zaar shem Afghanistan na, zaar shem har Afghaan na. Pukhtane ya Hazaragan di, tool pe de khawre qurbaan di. Uzbekan ya Tajikan di, tool baylelai pase khpel zaan di. De cha che da watan imaan de, de cha che da watan jahaan de, hagha de dei watan rokhaan, aw hagha yaw ting Afghaan dai.

thank you . i should bow down to you for writing this bold part... this is straight from my heart...

In the midst of all of this discussion they forget one thing they are talking abour our country!.... They don't know how much we have lost... we have lost our country... monga dar pa dar swaloo... khpal kor mo prekhoda, khpal khaar mo prekhoda dagha mushkilaat da laasa che yaw qaam da bal qaam khilaaf wallar so... aw dei delta khabari kawei!!!!!!
afghanistan pa da haalat kei rasaidalai dai nor tsa ghwarrai????????... nor ham mong yaw bal sara jangawaiiiiiiiiiiiiiii??????

[Michin Khel]

Actually we love our pashtoons across border. We are and we will always help them in time of need. But if the help has adverse effect on stability of afghanistan then we pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa should avoid it e.g going to afghanistan as taliban.

Tajiks are not dear to us and we dont care about them. If ever tajiks and co start killing pashtuns in afghanistan then we will not tolerate a single of them on pakistan, we will butcher them.

[BehavedMaseed]

Actually we love our pashtoons across border. We are and we will always help them in time of need. But if the help has adverse effect on stability of afghanistan then we pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa should avoid it e.g going to afghanistan as taliban.

Tajiks are not dear to us and we dont care about them. If ever tajiks and co start killing pashtuns in afghanistan then we will not tolerate a single of them on pakistan, we will butcher them.

Luffy Zma Roara, can you see how Tajiks have trapped them. The best wish of Tajiks is to see Pashtuns from both sides divided. They will lure Pashtuns in Afghanistan to become against us and to learn Dari and cutt their roots with us.

We will cutt our land away from Pakistan if Pashtuns in Afghanistan can do the same with Tajiks and Uzbeks and Hazaras. If they cant do this, then I am afraid they have no right pushing this Loy Afghanistan agenda upon us.

We need to all work on the same path. We should all support the same cause and not go in different directions in regards to Pashtun Unity.

Luffy Roara, they cant see that a Tajik picture of ahmad shah is placed as a symbol of Afghanistan, the same ISI left-over Trash Ahmad shah Masood is a idol in Afghanistan, Mullah Omar another piece of ISI left-over trash is sat with his Punjabi Comrades in ISI hiding.

Then we have Hazara elders calling Karzai a Pashtunist and that Pashtuns want to take over Afghanistan, if Minorities are saying such things I would be very concerned.

But Anyway, we stick to our principles, if they dont want to listen, then Iam sure Tajikistan or Iran or the Islamic state of Khorasan lol will accept them with open arms.

Long Live Loy Pakhtunkhwa!