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  • #31
    Tajik grip on Afghan army signals strife
    By Gareth Porter

    WASHINGTON - Contrary to the official portrayal of the Afghan National Army (ANA) as ethnically balanced, the latest data from United States sources reveal that the Tajik minority now accounts for far more ANA troops than the Pashtuns, the country's largest ethnic group.

    The shift in the ethnic composition of ANA troops in recent years is leading to another civil war between the Pashtuns and a Tajik-led anti-Pashtun ethnic coalition, similar to the one that followed




    the fall of the Soviet-supported regime in 1992, according to some observers.

    Tajik domination of the ANA feeds Pashtun resentment over the control of the country's security institutions by their ethnic rivals, while Tajiks increasingly regard the Pashtun population as aligned with the Taliban.

    The leadership of the army has been primarily Tajik since the ANA was organized in 2002, and Tajiks have been over-represented in the officer corps from the beginning. But the original troop composition of the ANA was relatively well-balanced ethnically.

    General Karl Eikenberry, then chief of the Office of Military Cooperation-Afghanistan, issued guidelines in 2003 to ensure ethnic balance in the ANA, according to Chris Mason, who was a member of the Afghanistan Inter-agency Operations Group from 2003 to 2005. Eikenberry acted after then defense minister Marshall Mohammed Qasim Fahim had packed with Tajiks the first group of ANA recruits to be trained.

    The Eikenberry guidelines called for 38% of the troops to be Pashtun, 25% Tajiks, 19% Hazaras and 8% Uzbek.

    Since then, US officials have continued to put out figures indicating that the ethnic balance in the ANA was in line with the Eikenberry guidelines. As recently as 2008, the RAND Corporation was given data showing that 40% of the enlisted men in the ANA were Pashtun and that Tajiks accounted for less than 30%.

    The latest report of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, issued on October 30, shows that Tajiks, which represent 25% of the population, now account for 41% of all ANA troops who have been trained, and that only 30% of the ANA trainees are now Pashtuns.

    A key reason for the predominance of Tajik troops is that by mid-2007 the ANA began to have serious problems recruiting troops in the rural areas of Kandahar and Helmand provinces.

    At least in the Pashtun province of Zabul, the percentage of Pashtuns in the ANA has now been reduced to a minimum. In Zabul province, US officers embedded in one of the kandaks (battalions) reported earlier this year that they believed only about 5% of the troops in the entire brigade are Pashtuns, according to a report by Army Times correspondent Sean D Naylor published in the Armed Forces Journal last July. The brigade commander in Zabul is a Tajik.

    Meanwhile, Tajiks have maintained a firm grip on the command structure of the ANA. Marshall Fahim put commanders from the Tajik-controlled Northern Alliance in key positions within the Ministry of Defense as well as in the ANA command.

    Mason recalled that the US thought it had an agreement with President Hamid Karzai under which the command structure of the ANA would be reorganized on the basis of ethnic balance, starting with the top 25 positions. But Karzai never acted on the agreement, Mason said.

    Even after Fahim was stripped of his government and military positions by Karzai in 2004, his appointee as ANA chief of staff, General Bismullah Khan, remained as head of the army. Tajiks have continued to occupy the bulk of the positions in the Ministry of Defense.

    A United Nations official in Kabul estimated that, as of spring 2008, no less than 70% of all kandaks were commanded by Tajiks, as reported by Italian scholar Antonio Giustozzi.

    Even in overwhelmingly Pashtun Zabul province, there are only two Pashtun kandak commanders out of a total of six, Matthew Hoh, the senior US civilian official in Zabul until he submitted his resignation in September in protest against the war, told Inter-Press Service (IPS) in an interview.

    Mason views the process by which the ANA is coming to be seen as an increasingly Tajik institution as making a civil war between the Pashtuns and the Tajiks and other ethnic minorities virtually inevitable.

    "I believe the elements of a civil war are in play," Mason told IPS.

    Mason said the refusal of Pashtuns in the south and east to join the ANA is part of a "self-reinforcing spiral". The more Dari, the language spoken by Tajiks, becomes the de facto language of the ANA, said Mason, the more Pashtuns will see it as an alien institution.

    "The warlords have already started rearming," said Mason.

    Although the US "has done as good a job as it could have" in trying to make the ANA mirror the broader society, Mason said, it can only "attenuate" rather than prevent such a war in the future, even with a larger troop presence.

    Hoh believes a civil war between the Pashtuns and a Tajik-led alliance of ethnic groups has already begun but could get much worse. "It is already bad now," he said, but unless US policy changes, "we could see a return of the civil war of the 1990s".

    To avoid that outcome would require putting priority on political reconciliation in order to "integrate all elements of society into the Afghan government and security forces", said Hoh. That, in turn, would require an international framework, probably involving the United Nations, he said.

    Hoh recalled a scene he witnessed in Zabul suggesting that Tajik commanders view the ANA as belonging to the Tajik-led Northern Alliance. At an Afghan independence day event at a military base August 19, attended by hundreds of ANA and national police, the large photograph adorning the wall was not of Karzai but of the Tajik commander of the entire Northern Alliance, Ahmed Shah Massoud, who was assassinated by al-Qaeda two days before the September 11, 2001, attacks.

    The previous civil war between Pashtun and Tajik-led armies was triggered by the disappearance in 1992 of the national army of the Soviet-supported Najibullah regime, which had maintained a tenuous balance between the two major ethnic groups.

    The collapse of the Najibullah regime and its army was followed immediately by fierce fighting between the Northern Alliance, which had reached Kabul first, and the forces of the Pashtun warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who had previously been allied with the non-Pashtun mujahideen against the Soviet-backed regime.

    In a sign that Tajik commanders don't trust Pashtuns in the south and east, the Tajik senior ANA officer in Zabul, Major General Jamaluddin Sayed, dismissed the locally recruited national police in the province as being under Taliban influence and called for recruitment of police from outside the province.

    "If we recruit ANP [Afghan National Police] people from Zabul province, probably they have some relationship with the Taliban," Jamaluddin told Army Times reporter Naylor.

    Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specializing in US national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in 2006.

    (Inter Press Service)

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL01Df02.html

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    • #32
      Why cant your Pashtun cheif of Army staff stop Marshall Fahim the Tajik from turning ANA into the army of Tajiks

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      • #33
        can we bring a culture of bringing sources when claiming things!
        We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

        If I agree with you we w'd both be wrong.

        Be good, If you can't be good be lucky

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        • #34
          ^ He doesn't understand these things Jasmine. Tell him something extreme to make his day and maybe his life.
          Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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          • #35
            I have many punjabi friends, they usually dont care about ethnicities and respects islam alot though they dont follow it practically so much . They consider pashtuns as sincere and great promise-keepers (they themselves r very weak in these traits), they frequently joke about our accent. They are usually timid and can b easily bullied.

            if any afghan insults them i dnt defend them but afghans r defending tajiks very much?

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            • #36
              I have never defended punjabis on
              PF who are constantly insulted here despite of being my countrymen still i am labelled as paaki here?

              but u people r feeling offended for criticism on tajiks, should i label u with some thing?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BehavedMaseed View Post
                I am was absolutely Ashtonished at the remarks Tajiks and co from Afghanistan say about Pashtuns. You can read their comments on the following link:-

                http://tajikam.com/forums/index.php?...ashtuns-issue/
                Dear Maseed,

                These people are not Tajiks, but Qizilbash who are using the names of Tajiks to create rift among Afghans both in the west and Afghanistan.

                You have just noticed this website we Afghans have seen it long time ago. While there are very few Tajiks among them, but majority of the people are Qizilbash and Hazaras who are more closely associated to Iran due to language and Religion.

                While the issue about ethnicity exists in the west in Afghanistan it does not exist as much as it sounds. The leaders are not representative of the people, but rather of their own. Pashtuns and Tajiks of Afghanistan are very close due to mix of family and blood. We have many similarities.

                I would never accept and appreciate someone insulting them. They are my Afghan brothers.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                  I have many punjabi friends, they usually dont care about ethnicities and respects islam alot though they dont follow it practically so much . They consider pashtuns as sincere and great promise-keepers (they themselves r very weak in these traits), they frequently joke about our accent. They are usually timid and can b easily bullied.

                  if any afghan insults them i dnt defend them but afghans r defending tajiks very much?
                  Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                  I have never defended punjabis on
                  PF who are constantly insulted here despite of being my countrymen still i am labelled as paaki here?

                  but u people r feeling offended for criticism on tajiks, should i label u with some thing?
                  You are damn right we are offended!... don't ever forget that the type of mentality you have and the hatred you have towards other ethnicities in Afghanistan is lethal to Afghanistan’s security and prosperity. Not a single afghan who is in his right sense will support this hatred and division. Our country is in turmoil because of people like you who spread hatred amongst different ethnicities in Afghanistan to serve their own purpose.

                  Your sources are weak, your assumptions are false, you don't know anything about Afghanistan or Afghans. You are far from Afghanistan, as far as you are from knowing anything about it too. Your knowledge of Afghanistan and its people is based on media and other propaganda sources. Your hatred towards a tajik, or hazara, or uzbek is not justified because you probably haven't even met people from any of these ethnicities.

                  I am sorry to say this and i apologize if you take it to heart, that you are extremely ignorant of Afghanistan. To a pakistani/peshawri/pathan afghanistan became a country of importance only post 9/11... the idea of lar aw bar yaw afghan became famous less than a decade ago... I have lived in Pakistan for 10 years and i know how much right pashtoonkhwa was given to express its love for pashtoons of Afghanistan or Afghanistan itself. Your singers and performers were not even allowed to sing a patriotic song for pashtoons on TV... you were fed "jeevay pakistan" and "lape ati hai dua" from your childhood... when you were soo preoccupied with your love of pakistan, how can you claim to know anything about afghans?

                  When someone references anything in media than Pakistanis are the first ones to jump in and say its media's propaganda, but when you want to justify your hatred towards afghans you take every crap out of media and post here? You are not different to me than a ignorant American who thinks he knows all about Afghanistan by watching CNN.

                  If you have the courage then go to Afghanistan... will u? Visit afghanistan and see what people feel... go to kandahar and meet hazaras there... if you are able to even distinguish them then i will reward you. for they will be wearing the same kharra paktai, the same kharr kamees partog, and the same beard that pashtoons wear... they will speak pashto with you... go and check it out!... if you have the courage to visit afghanistan that is!

                  go to shamali,... meet people there... see who are the richest and most prosperous people in shamali... pashtoons... go to kabul... visit the stores, the markets, see who the store owners are... pashtoons... visit kabul university... see who are the majority that study there... pashtoons... wardak has the highest admission rate in kabul university... wardak a pashtoon province.

                  You sit here in your cozy couch and talk out of your stomach and bring in sources that you yourself call propaganda when its in your interest and you want us to agree? Afghanistan this, Afghanistan that, tajik this, hazara that... you are no different than a member of ISI of Pakistan... it is people like you who has fueled ethnic division between people of Afghanistan.

                  You want me to feel united with you or people like you when you are standing in favor of my country's destruction. Are you out of your mind... za ba sta pa shaan pakhtaana yaw yaw da afghanistan ter yawa lwesht zaarawam... che zma da khpal famil gharrai ham wei!!!!!... one inch of Afghanistan is worth 10000 people like you!... and its not only me who thinks this way... its every Afghanistan loving afghan!..

                  Instead of making topics about how to develop Afghanistan, pashtoonkhwa, pashtoons and Pashto, how to work towards unity, how to work towards prosperity... you are busy spreading crap about our country? You are busy in fueling more ethnic tension amongst us? And you want us to agree with you?

                  I always wondered who are these YouTube thugs who create such full of hatred accounts and upload such things on internet against pashtoons, hazara and uzbak… and now I have know who!

                  It is every afghan's duty to refute you, it is every pashtoon's duty to reject your idea, it is every tajik, hazara, and uzbek of afghanistan's duty to reject your idea... Afghanistan is in every afghan's heart!... the name afghan is written in my heart ... when i tell someone from anywhere in this world i raise my head high and i say " I AM AFGHAN"... we still have alot to be proud of . We don't have 60 years of history, we have 5000 years!.

                  Please don't fool yourself to think any patriotic afghan will ever ever agree with you OR unite with you. to us you are poison to our country... i will say it again!

                  I will sacrifice 1000 people like you over an inch of afghanistan!!!!!! And i will sacrifice 100000 of you over an inch of LOY AFGHANISTAN!

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                  • #39
                    ALL I KNOW THAT THERE IS TOUGH RESISTANCE TO FOREIGN OCCUPATION IN AFGAHNISTAN. AND THIS RESISTANCE ONLY EXIST IN Puktoon dominated area of Afghanistan it is because pushtoon in afgahnistan are oppressed. they are marginalised and considered as minority in Afghansitan under the rule of Nato and Hamid Karzai.
                    There is Gorilla warfare in Afghanistan and no gorilla war can be fought without help of Local people.

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                    • #40
                      @Feroza banu

                      One of my uncle in working in herat, if i get time i will inshallah visit afghanistan.

                      I always argue with my kaliwals that we pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa should not go to jihad for afghanistan as talibans as this interference is costing afghanistan peace and stability, but who can make them understand, they are eager to help their muslim brothers with desire for martyrdom.
                      We should not interfere in internal affairs of afghanistan.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Feroza_Banu View Post
                        You are damn right we are offended!... don't ever forget that the type of mentality you have and the hatred you have towards other ethnicities in Afghanistan is lethal to Afghanistan’s security and prosperity. Not a single afghan who is in his right sense will support this hatred and division. Our country is in turmoil because of people like you who spread hatred amongst different ethnicities in Afghanistan to serve their own purpose.

                        Your sources are weak, your assumptions are false, you don't know anything about Afghanistan or Afghans. You are far from Afghanistan, as far as you are from knowing anything about it too. Your knowledge of Afghanistan and its people is based on media and other propaganda sources. Your hatred towards a tajik, or hazara, or uzbek is not justified because you probably haven't even met people from any of these ethnicities.

                        I am sorry to say this and i apologize if you take it to heart, that you are extremely ignorant of Afghanistan. To a pakistani/peshawri/pathan afghanistan became a country of importance only post 9/11... the idea of lar aw bar yaw afghan became famous less than a decade ago... I have lived in Pakistan for 10 years and i know how much right pashtoonkhwa was given to express its love for pashtoons of Afghanistan or Afghanistan itself. Your singers and performers were not even allowed to sing a patriotic song for pashtoons on TV... you were fed "jeevay pakistan" and "lape ati hai dua" from your childhood... when you were soo preoccupied with your love of pakistan, how can you claim to know anything about afghans?

                        When someone references anything in media than Pakistanis are the first ones to jump in and say its media's propaganda, but when you want to justify your hatred towards afghans you take every crap out of media and post here? You are not different to me than a ignorant American who thinks he knows all about Afghanistan by watching CNN.

                        If you have the courage then go to Afghanistan... will u? Visit afghanistan and see what people feel... go to kandahar and meet hazaras there... if you are able to even distinguish them then i will reward you. for they will be wearing the same kharra paktai, the same kharr kamees partog, and the same beard that pashtoons wear... they will speak pashto with you... go and check it out!... if you have the courage to visit afghanistan that is!

                        go to shamali,... meet people there... see who are the richest and most prosperous people in shamali... pashtoons... go to kabul... visit the stores, the markets, see who the store owners are... pashtoons... visit kabul university... see who are the majority that study there... pashtoons... wardak has the highest admission rate in kabul university... wardak a pashtoon province.

                        You sit here in your cozy couch and talk out of your stomach and bring in sources that you yourself call propaganda when its in your interest and you want us to agree? Afghanistan this, Afghanistan that, tajik this, hazara that... you are no different than a member of ISI of Pakistan... it is people like you who has fueled ethnic division between people of Afghanistan.

                        You want me to feel united with you or people like you when you are standing in favor of my country's destruction. Are you out of your mind... za ba sta pa shaan pakhtaana yaw yaw da afghanistan ter yawa lwesht zaarawam... che zma da khpal famil gharrai ham wei!!!!!... one inch of Afghanistan is worth 10000 people like you!... and its not only me who thinks this way... its every Afghanistan loving afghan!..

                        Instead of making topics about how to develop Afghanistan, pashtoonkhwa, pashtoons and Pashto, how to work towards unity, how to work towards prosperity... you are busy spreading crap about our country? You are busy in fueling more ethnic tension amongst us? And you want us to agree with you?

                        I always wondered who are these YouTube thugs who create such full of hatred accounts and upload such things on internet against pashtoons, hazara and uzbak… and now I have know who!

                        It is every afghan's duty to refute you, it is every pashtoon's duty to reject your idea, it is every tajik, hazara, and uzbek of afghanistan's duty to reject your idea... Afghanistan is in every afghan's heart!... the name afghan is written in my heart ... when i tell someone from anywhere in this world i raise my head high and i say " I AM AFGHAN"... we still have alot to be proud of . We don't have 60 years of history, we have 5000 years!.

                        Please don't fool yourself to think any patriotic afghan will ever ever agree with you OR unite with you. to us you are poison to our country... i will say it again!

                        I will sacrifice 1000 people like you over an inch of afghanistan!!!!!! And i will sacrifice 100000 of you over an inch of LOY AFGHANISTAN!
                        I think you just made me cry. I thank you so much for this post. I hope anyone and everyone understands and takes it to their head, and stores it in their brain permanently.

                        Once again, thank you so much.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                          @Feroza banu

                          One of my uncle in working in herat, if i get time i will inshallah visit afghanistan.

                          I always argue with my kaliwals that we pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa should not go to jihad for afghanistan as talibans as this interference is costing afghanistan peace and stability, but who can make them understand, they are eager to help their muslim brothers with desire for martyrdom.
                          We should not interfere in internal affairs of afghanistan.
                          Yes please dont!... don't send us any suicide bombers anymore. You want to be shaheed and you want to do jahad, please start at home... raise a jahadi force against Islamabad.

                          and if your kaliwalas want to do jahad for afghans as their muslim brothers and sisters they should do jahad for the WHOLE AFGHANISTAN. because to afghans from takhar to nangrahar its the same afghanistan ...if we loose one inch of badakhshan its the same as loosing an inch of kandahar!...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jasmine
                            Feroza can I hug you? I love your response.
                            two hugs.

                            Originally posted by Laila View Post
                            I think you just made me cry. I thank you so much for this post. I hope anyone and everyone understands and takes it to their head, and stores it in their brain permanently.

                            Once again, thank you so much.
                            I hope so too!... you are welcome... and this is what i deeply feel...

                            I pray to Allah swt that i die before I see afghanistan split or loose its ghairat and name! aameen!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Feroza_Banu View Post
                              You are damn right we are offended!...
                              I won't quote it all, and I'd usually just thank.. but wow. Sincerity at its most.

                              I could totally imagine you giving this as a speech, and I could even hear the national anthem in the background.

                              Very well said. Feroza for President.
                              Last edited by Guest; 08-27-2010, 06:24 PM. Reason: t y p o

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Fish View Post

                                . The leaders are not representative of the people, but rather of their own. Pashtuns and Tajiks of Afghanistan are very close due to mix of family and blood. We have many similarities.

                                I would never accept and appreciate someone insulting them. They are my Afghan brothers.
                                Thanks for being honest. So you have confirmed the fact that pashtuns of afghanistan are impure and are heavily mixed with tajiks and others. They feel close to you but they feel distant to pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa. I live in hayatabad peshawer and it is filled with afghans. I used to think why their facial features are some what different from us, now i have figure out.
                                But poor afghan immigrants look very pashtun, why?

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