Tajik Views of the Durrand Line

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Tajiks are from the same race as us Pashtuns Luffy...so clearly facial features can't be it. These things are just bringing gaps and falsifying information. If they were "impure" do you think the tribal links would remain there?

Not all inter married. Some families did many didn't. You have to look at things from a case by case basis. Obviously majority Pashtuns don't, and areas which are ethnically mixed do.

Having said that...this discussion is divisive and besides the point. I think we as Pashtuns are basically good at talking down at one another, and not trying to see the bigger picture. Politics, interests, policies mean more than this. Instead of talks like pure impure brother sister, etc etc let us look at what our interests are. Bass dae nur khalko lag da pashtu, pashtunkhwa/Afghanistan khawaalee ham khabarae wokee. If not please everyone indulge in this "my trash tastes and smells better than your trash..." It was very interesting and speaks volumes about us.

[Michin Khel]

Tajiks are from the same race as us Pashtuns Luffy...so clearly facial features can't be it. These things are just bringing gaps and falsifying information. If they were "impure" do you think the tribal links would remain there?

Not all inter married. Some families did many didn't. You have to look at things from a case by case basis. Obviously majority Pashtuns don't, and areas which are ethnically mixed do.

Having said that...this discussion is divisive and besides the point. I think we as Pashtuns are basically good at talking down at one another, and not trying to see the bigger picture. Politics, interests, policies mean more than this. Instead of talks like pure impure brother sister, etc etc let us look at what our interests are. Bass dae nur khalko lag da pashtu, pashtunkhwa/Afghanistan khawaalee ham khabarae wokee. If not please everyone indulge in this "my trash tastes and smells better than your trash..." It was very interesting and speaks volumes about us.

I was just realistic , i had no malice intentions. It makes two to quarrel, if one is pointing finger at other, he should check himself first. All afghans are my brother and they consider me as their brother...but for persianised pashtuns among them, i am just a paaki who like dhaal.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I was just realistic , i had no malice intentions. It makes two to quarrel, if one is pointing finger at other, he should check himself first. All afghans are my brother and they consider me as their brother...but for persianised pashtuns among them, i am just a paaki who like dhaal.

First of all, do you base your identity on what someone tells you to? Specifically one you already barely consider a pashtun? Most importantly, why would you care? Your politics and convictions should be strong enough to stand by itself. If he calls you a dhaal khor, first of all, if you consider yourself a watanpaal Pashtun/Afghan, then either ignore him or put him in his place. By taking his word as the case for Afghanistan is like others taking the word of some people for Pashtunkhwa. Should the treatment of some Pashtuns of Afghanistan in Peshawar be the basis how we in Pashtunkhwa are looked by? Should Swat, Dir, Waziristan be treated by that standard? Is that fair or even true?

People here are talking but not listening...just talking over one another. Sometimes reactionary just defending things that are so trivial...mixing political dynamics of one area with another. We are all the same people, one nation, but we can't apply one set of political strategies for another. It isn't logical. Our end goal is our unity and prosperity but not for something reactionary or trivial. To safeguard the rights of Pashtuns in karachi, we can't apply the politics of Pashtunkhwa or Afghanistan. Similarly what needs to be done to address the issue of Pakistan can't be mixed with the needs of Pashtuns in the northern Afghanistan. What is similar of all these cases is that they are Pashtuns. We want to see their prosperity (in Pashtunkhwa's and Afghanistan's case we want their unity). However we are fundamentally dealing with different variables, different histories when talking about Pashtunkhwa and Pakistan and the shumaaliyaan and Pashtuns. It isn't logical to mix their strategies otherwise you lose out on both fronts. Do you see where I am coming from?

[Feroza_Banu]

Thanks for being honest. So you have confirmed the fact that pashtuns of afghanistan are impure and are heavily mixed with tajiks and others. They feel close to you but they feel distant to pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa. I live in hayatabad peshawer and it is filled with afghans. I used to think why their facial features are some what different from us, now i have figure out.
But poor afghan immigrants look very pashtun, why?

hahahahahahahah LOL!!... no wonder i think you are ignorant... Read your own post again please... for the SAKE OF GOD...

We definitely feel distant from ISI fed people of pashtoonkhwa... THe people that work and preach against the interest of MY COUNTRY!... do you see I HAVE A COUNTRY TO CALL MY OWN!... i have a fear in my heart a fear of loosing it... i will definitely be against anyone from any part of the world that works against my country... and you and people like you who work to fuel ethnic tension in my country are my ENEMY!

you are so ignorant of afghanistan that you think the poor immigrants are all pashtoon!... u are wrong!... the richest people of afghanistan to this day are pashtoon!!!!!!!!!!... poorest are hazaras.

[Michin Khel]

hahahahahahahah LOL!!... no wonder i think you are ignorant... Read your own post again please... for the SAKE OF GOD...

We definitely feel distant from ISI fed people of pashtoonkhwa... THe people that work and preach against the interest of MY COUNTRY!... do you see I HAVE A COUNTRY TO CALL MY OWN!... i have a fear in my heart a fear of loosing it... i will definitely be against anyone from any part of the world that works against my country... and you and people like you who work to fuel ethnic tension in my country are my ENEMY!

you are so ignorant of afghanistan that you think the poor immigrants are all pashtoon!... u are wrong!... the richest people of afghanistan to this day are pashtoon!!!!!!!!!!... poorest are hazaras.

Why i would want to be an enemy of afghanistan, if tajiks and pashtuns are in sweet and lovely relationship and both are nearly one people then i think i should not have problem with it. Afghanistan is your country and you people will be better aware of ground realities there. If our disliking of farsiwans is bad for unity plus integrity of afghanistan then we pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa should avoid targeting them.
I have sensed that practically "lar awo bar yo afghan" is a flop idea and exists only in written form.

[Michin Khel]

What is your problem sholambay, do you think i am a kid that i am getting brainwashed by maseed. I have above 40 age and i set my views and opinion on my own. You seem to be in very early twentis, with advancing age you will get sufficient maturity to understand that not every thing revolves around kandahar.

[Michin Khel]

Sir.
I respect you, I used the Kandahar example because Maseed has a tendency of attacking them specifically. I am not illiterate sir. I know that majority of PF are very senior people.

I am glad to know someone like Maseed lacks influence of brainwashing. I know that already but my debate was with term Afghan. Refer to my prior post.

Dear if he dont accept word afghan then will you force him to accept it?. You are taking discussion forums very seriously, this is not an organization or political party. Just present your point of view on the matter and qisa khalas. If you start searching conspiracies and hidden motives in member's postings then it will produce nothing but extra headace for your busy and tiresome student life.

[Michin Khel]

Senior Luffy,
If your political party accepts the word Afghan. Why don't you?

Do you have a problem with being called ETHNIC AFGHAN?!?!?!!?

yara dont be so immature what ANP has to do with my personal views?. I dont have problem with afghan but i have already cleared to you that it is of secondary importance to me. We are pashtuns first and pathan & afghan second.

[Michin Khel]

Dear Luffy,

Afghan and Pashtun are both synanymous. Its sad to see people like you reject your own identity. I will leave it as it is.

Let me clear you about my identity.
@ i am 5000 year pashtun, 1400 year muslim and 60 year old pakistan....sound familiar.

afghanistan is not part of my identity yet.

[Michin Khel]

During your 5000 year old history of Pashtun. Most of the time you were known as Afghan. Your political party and Govt regards you as an ethnic Afghan. You can hide from the identity and play hide and seek. Facts dont run away dear. If you want to be in denial mode, that is okay.

Excuse me, my governament regards me afghan? Are you in sane mode?

[Michin Khel]

As an ethnic Afghan in a way it considers you. According to Ijaz lala your revenue records and domicles list you as Afghan.

I dont know about revenue records, i dont have. But afghan word is not present on my domicile. Do you consider pakistani governament to be stupid?
in documents our ethnicity is described as pashtun....may be during british times it was afghan.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Do you all enjoy re-inventing the wheel? Or is it a hobby?

[Michin Khel]

Do you all enjoy re-inventing the wheel? Or is it a hobby?

za kho yowazay yama, lag saa nai watalay bal afghanay raishi awo lecture rata shoro ki.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Samaa da wrora...kho please this topic has been done to death you accepted it the others accepted it. We agree and accept both terms. Isn't about time we moved on?

[Feroza_Banu]

Why i would want to be an enemy of afghanistan, if tajiks and pashtuns are in sweet and lovely relationship and both are nearly one people then i think i should not have problem with it. Afghanistan is your country and you people will be better aware of ground realities there. If our disliking of farsiwans is bad for unity plus integrity of afghanistan then we pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa should avoid targeting them.
I have sensed that practically "lar awo bar yo afghan" is a flop idea and exists only in written form.

NO! lar aw bar yaw afghan is not a flop idea because THANKS TO ALLAH swt... not every pashtoon of pashtoonkhwa thinks like you.

BLS is a good example...

Please remember one thing Luffy... If afghans in afghanistan fail to live peacefully with each other and fail to get along with each other in the same country, then when Loy pashtoonkhwa is formed and afghanistan has split... pashtoons won't be able to live peacefully either!... now afghanistan has ethnic issues but at that time loy pashtoonkhwa will have tribal issues...

I am not goint to explain it more to you , you are 40 years old ... u should know what iam referring to.