The Durand Line Agreement 1893

[BLS_1919v2.0]

lol at these pathetic lil Pakiis for barking the same shet over over again despite of being put on their places a million times! I thought stupidity had no limit but illiteracy seems to top even that! Pashtu in Afghanistan is progressing the way Punjabism in Peshawer. u Pakiis got no idea how hard Pashtuns 're trying to attract attention towards Pashtu 'n even succeed so STFU. I request all Afghan members to ignore these two faced fags who gather the guts to call us two faced. we Afghans 're what we 're in ur face, unlike u carbon copies of Punjchods who 'll say Pashtun unity zindabad in ur face but make fun of Afghan Pashtuns behind their backs! I keep telling Afghan Pashtuns Pakiis arent arguing 'cuz they want unity, they 're only taking the trouble to make Afghans hate eachother 'n make us their 5th colony! I end up being called a jangandaz 'n they think I'm against while they dont realise Pakiis dont want us to be in peace! btw, I'm a Tajik who doesnt give a damn about his Persian neighbors either. I'm am Afghan 'n Afghanistan all I care for 'n my enemies firstly 're those Afghans who want unity with their tribesmen rather than their countrymen, followed by our neighbors!

You are so wise and well spoken. Tell me how long did you live as a monk to reach this level of wisdom. You even know how people look on a forum without seeing them. Surely you are blessed....WRONG FAIL

[Michin Khel]

Afghans (and chamchas of them from pakhtunkhwa) want us to accept the status of filthy sell outs and lowly dhal eating punjabi slaves....but who with right mind will accept such status?
Because of kamzarf people from pakhtunkhwa like khyaal, toramana and muhsina, we are depicted in the wrong way. We are proud pashtuns and strongely follow codes of pakhtunwali. We are not lovers of punjabis nor our living in our lands has any thing to do with punjabis. It is a fact that We love afghans more than punjabis and others. Punjabis, sindhis, balochs and mohajirs want to kick afghans refugees out of country but it is because of us that there are 5 millions afghans living peacefully in pakistan.

We consider afghans as our brothers, we dont look down upon them. If we did'n consider you people as brothers then we would not have helped you people in three anglo-afghan wars and during russian invasion. Large number of us from pakhtunkhwa had sacrificed their lives to protect afghanistan from russia on the basis of tarburgainat but our sacrifices are insulted by calling it paki ISI interference in afghanistan.

when a pashtun kid grows up in pakhtunkhwa he find pakistan, jinnah, iqbal, mughals every where in books, media and from teachers. Urdu is enforced on us upto F.SC level ,every best book is in urdu , newspapers and tv channels are in urdu.. Taking pride in your ethnicity is considered haraam and damaging to ideology and integrity of pakistan....despite of all these unfavourable circumstances we have maintained our pashto and and our both written and spoken pashto is in good status. We have pashto poets in every village and instead of urdu we likes pashto poetry more. Small district-level Pashto newspapers are in every district. Pakhtunkhwa is generating largest number of MA s and PHDs in the world. It is a great misunderstanding that pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa are totally unaware of written pashto and cant count in pashto...all rural pashtuns who have studied in governament schools can read and write in pashto. I have studied in governament school and i can read and write pashto. But the private public schools dont teach pashto and unfortunately they are now dominant institutions in pakhtunkhw.

zaka za da bada manam che tsok pa teet nazar gori.
we are not sold outs , it was king of your country who sold us in exchange of some pension in lakhs.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Afghans (and chamchas of them from pakhtunkhwa) want us to accept the status of filthy sell outs and lowly dhal eating punjabi slaves....but who with right mind will accept such status?
Because of kamzarf people from pakhtunkhwa like khyaal, toramana and muhsina, we are depicted in the wrong way. We are proud pashtuns and strongely follow codes of pakhtunwali. We are not lovers of punjabis nor our living in our lands has any thing to do with punjabis. It is a fact that We love afghans more than punjabis and others. Punjabis, sindhis, balochs and mohajirs want to kick afghans refugees out of country but it is because of us that there are 5 millions afghans living peacefully in pakistan.

We consider afghans as our brothers, we dont look down upon them. If we did'n consider you people as brothers then we would not have helped you people in three anglo-afghan wars and during russian invasion. Large number of us from pakhtunkhwa had sacrificed their lives to protect afghanistan from russia on the basis of tarburgainat but our sacrifices are insulted by calling it paki ISI interference in afghanistan.

when a pashtun kid grows up in pakhtunkhwa he find pakistan, jinnah, iqbal, mughals every where in books, media and from teachers. Urdu is enforced on us upto F.SC level ,every best book is in urdu , newspapers and tv channels are in urdu.. Taking pride in your ethnicity is considered haraam and damaging to ideology and integrity of pakistan....despite of all these unfavourable circumstances we have maintained our pashto and and our both written and spoken pashto is in good status. We have pashto poets in every village and instead of urdu we likes pashto poetry more. Small district-level Pashto newspapers are in every district. Pakhtunkhwa is generating largest number of MA s and PHDs in the world. It is a great misunderstanding that pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa are totally unaware of written pashto and cant count in pashto...all rural pashtuns who have studied in governament schools can read and write in pashto. I have studied in governament school and i can read and write pashto. But the private public schools dont teach pashto and unfortunately they are now dominant institutions in pakhtunkhw.

zaka za da bada manam che tsok pa teet nazar gori.
we are not sold outs , it was king of your country who sold us in exchange of some pension in lakhs.

You are right about a lot of things there but you kind of contradicted yourself. First of all, our king sold us out. Let us be fair, not theirs, ours (whether Afghanistan or Pashtunkhwa). Second of all, if they have enforced another history and are antagonistic to our identity they are at least not our friends or well wishers and at most imposing and chauvinistic? Yes or no?

No one has the right to look down on Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns...similarly no one has the right to look down on Afghanistan. However, it seems to me that it is a carnal sin to even question or point out the faults of our respective areas.

In fact why do so many Pashtuns become ghairathmand on these things but forget it on the political level?

[Michin Khel]

lol at these pathetic lil Pakiis for barking the same shet over over again despite of being put on their places a million times! I thought stupidity had no limit but illiteracy seems to top even that! Pashtu in Afghanistan is progressing the way Punjabism in Peshawer. u Pakiis got no idea how hard Pashtuns 're trying to attract attention towards Pashtu 'n even succeed so STFU. I request all Afghan members to ignore these two faced fags who gather the guts to call us two faced. we Afghans 're what we 're in ur face, unlike u carbon copies of Punjchods who 'll say Pashtun unity zindabad in ur face but make fun of Afghan Pashtuns behind their backs! I keep telling Afghan Pashtuns Pakiis arent arguing 'cuz they want unity, they 're only taking the trouble to make Afghans hate eachother 'n make us their 5th colony! I end up being called a jangandaz 'n they think I'm against while they dont realise Pakiis dont want us to be in peace! btw, I'm a Tajik who doesnt give a damn about his Persian neighbors either. I'm am Afghan 'n Afghanistan all I care for 'n my enemies firstly 're those Afghans who want unity with their tribesmen rather than their countrymen, followed by our neighbors!

I know you, you are tajik and you are relative of shayesta. As you are non-pashtun so khpala laara kacha.

[Michin Khel]

You are right about a lot of things there but you kind of contradicted yourself. First of all, our king sold us out. Let us be fair, not theirs, ours (whether Afghanistan or Pashtunkhwa). Second of all, if they have enforced another history and are antagonistic to our identity they are at least not our friends or well wishers and at most imposing and chauvinistic? Yes or no?

No one has the right to look down on Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns...similarly no one has the right to look down on Afghanistan. However, it seems to me that it is a carnal sin to even question or point out the faults of our respective areas.

In fact why do so many Pashtuns become ghairathmand on these things but forget it on the political level?

There is no revolutionary movement in pakhtunkhwa which can educate masses about their origin, history and their real position in pakistan... Most of us are not interested in waving green flag or sing anthem emotionally. We condsider ourselves pakistanis and there is so much pakistan around us that we cant deny being pakistani. We dont consider pakistan as punjabistan though we are aware that it is dominated by punjabis, because matala pakistan teach us that this country has 4 nationalities which are equal. so lives of pashtuns here is limited to earning and stabilizing their own families. Unlike balochs we dont have the sense of realizing descrimination. We can be easily satisfied and calmed with islamic pills.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

There is no revolutionary movement in pakhtunkhwa which can educate masses about their origin, history and their real position in pakistan... Most of us are not interested in waving green flag or sing anthem emotionally. We condsider ourselves pakistanis and there is so much pakistan around us that we cant deny being pakistani. We dont consider pakistan as punjabistan though we are aware that it is dominated by punjabis, because matala pakistan teach us that this country has 4 nationalities which are equal. so lives of pashtuns here is limited to earning and stabilizing their own families. Unlike balochs we dont have the sense of realizing descrimination. We can be easily satisfied and calmed with islamic pills.

Will this docile attitude of ourselves help us out of our mess? I am not talking about today, tomorrow...I am talking about this generation and the next. Baloch are much more aware but the discrimination against them is blatant and they are not bought off as easily. However, the destruction of swat, buner, fata have their own consequences and we will have to suffer for this policy of GHQ. At the end of the day, you can only stir up the hornet's nest for so long until it rears its ugly head.

[Michin Khel]

Will this docile attitude of ourselves help us out of our mess? I am not talking about today, tomorrow...I am talking about this generation and the next. Baloch are much more aware but the discrimination against them is blatant and they are not bought off as easily. However, the destruction of swat, buner, fata have their own consequences and we will have to suffer for this policy of GHQ. At the end of the day, you can only stir up the hornet's nest for so long until it rears its ugly head.

peera i am not supporting docile attitude, i have just described the ground reality which many in west are unaware of.
Most of the pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa in PF are anti-pakistanis and as they are in west so they present wrong situation to afghans that magority of pashtuns in pakhtunkhwa are antipakistanis to the extreme but they cant do any thing as they are enslaved by powerful punjabis...these rediculous lies keep our afghan brothers in dark and therefore they percieve some realities as contradictions.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

peera i am not supporting docile attitude, i have just described the ground reality which many in west are unaware of.
Most of the pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa in PF are anti-pakistanis and as they are in west so they present wrong situation to afghans that magority of pashtuns in pakhtunkhwa are antipakistanis to the extreme but they cant do any thing as they are enslaved by powerful punjabis...these rediculous lies keep our afghan brothers in dark and therefore they percieve some realities as contradictions.

I am aware of this and when I studied the situation was far better. However, many who are speaking against Pakistan either are living there or have constant connection back home. The situation in peshawar is not the same in FATA or other areas where operations are happening. Now about Panjab.....people can call it slavery or whatever, but the reality is clear. It is fundamentally a state which is not of any (or little) benefit to the Pashtuns east or west of the durand line. Whether x number of pashtuns love it or hate...it doesn't change this fundamental fact. Yes or no?

[Michin Khel]

I agree with you pakistan is not in benefit of pashtuns but i have specific reasons to be not active in anti-pakistanism.

[Shayesta]

We were sold by people

Not people but a person. I thought English was one of your national languages, yet you don't know the difference between a person and a few people?

How did you sell us?

How can you prove we as a nation sold you? Heck, you don't even have a proof of Abdur Rahman's signature to signing the contract which decides to 'sell' you.

I am speaking the truth.

What truth? Truth of those Pukhtoons you like tag them as Pukhtoons, while if a Pukhtoon has 'sold' you tag him as an Afghan?

you being an Afghanistani want to defend it.

He is from Pakhtunkhwa you Einstein.

But now we are not same people we are different.

Besides our nationality, what else is different? Our language? Our looks? Our culture? Our tradition? Our values?

Indian Punjabi and Pakistani Punjabi is different right??

Yeah, Pakistani Pukhtoon and Pakistani Punjabis are more alike!

we are not Afghan. We are Pakistani. People like BehavedMaseed are Pakistanis.

Then congratulations with getting rid of identity crisis! Now will you do us a favor as well and let us live as Afghans without criticizing us for what we do and what language we speak?

Listen BLS last time you ran away from debate and you are repeating same act.

ROFL! Says the one who hasn't been able to cope with even one thread till the end, and also to someone who has more knowledge than you will ever have!

This is not Afghanistani Forum or Afghan forum. This is Pashtun forums and I am Pashtun.

You know, your type of people need to make up your minds first. Sometimes you say Pukhtoon doesn't mean Afghan, but on other hand you tell Afghan Pukhtoons to be ashamed of themselves for not making Pukhto dominant in 'land of Pukhtoons'. Either you accept the fact Pukhtoon does mean Afghan, either stop calling Afghanistan land of Pukhtoons. Cheers.

Just becaue I am not from wardak, laghman, Kanadhar, or Helmand I am not pashtun??

Just because majority of us Pukhtoons can understand Dari, we are Persianized?

You guys sold us out.

Those 'guys' who sold 'you guys' was also your fellow Pukhtoon 'guy'. In other words; You have been sold out (if that indeed was meant to be signed) by your own own people, not by 'us', 'you', or 'it'.

now that we are developed and rich

LMAO! Is that the reason you keep running to Karachi and Punjab for a brighter future; Because of your 'development' and 'richness'?

you and Shayesta and Mayana want us back?

Ehh, excuse moi? BLS wror himself is from Pakhtunkhwa who prefers Afghanistan over Pakistan, but when on earth did I and Mayana ever 'wanted you back'? Stop day dreaming kid, we only want people back who want to be a part of us, the likes of you can't even stay loyal to Punjabism, let alone Pukhtunism.

We dont want you guys.

Even Punjabis don't want a wannabe Punjabi kid who would betray his own ethnic in order to fit into Punjabi culture, so what makes you think we Afghans do want a wannabe Pukhtoon? Seriously, stay where you are!

If this is the case why doesnt your Govt have us back? How come your Govt never tried to have us back?

How come the Pakistani education never told you kids why Pakistan bombed us in late 1940's? Why didn't your Pakistani education told you why Pakistan was so eager to break Daud Khan's government? Why didn't your Pakistani education told you why Pakistan in first place so worried about Afghanistan? Ehh, hasn't Durrand Line always been a issue there? See how important it is to be educated on matters you wanna talk about?

Large number of us from pakhtunkhwa had sacrificed their lives to protect afghanistan from russia on the basis of tarburgainat but our sacrifices are insulted by calling it paki ISI interference in afghanistan.

If you indeed wanted to protect us then you would have stayed out by realizing that the fact that Pakistan wants to 'help' their enemy Afghanistan should have made you aware where this could lead us to. So thanks, but no thanks!

Taking pride in your ethnicity is considered haraam and damaging to ideology and integrity of pakistan....

If you can use this excuse to protect Pukhtoons of Pakistan being interested in Pakistan, then why can't an Afghan use it either in order to protect those Pukhtoons who want unity with their fellow Afghans?

it was king of your country who sold us in exchange of some pension in lakhs.

Do you have a proof that such a contract was singed indeed? Nopes, you don't. Exactly how you can't deny that Abdur Rahman was your king as well back then, not ours only. Only because today you are on other side of the border and we this doesn't mean entire Afghanistan is a sold out while Pakhtunkhwa is innocent. A Pukhtoon gave up on Pukhtoons and this make entire Pukhtoon nation a sold out, not just Afghans.

I know you, you are tajik and you are relative of shayesta. As you are non-pashtun so khpala laara kacha.

Talking of taking things out on context, there is a difference between knowing someone and being related to someone. Don't contradict yourself like Maseed already does!

[Shayesta]

Again let me educate you here.

First accept the education you are getting from others and then think of educating those who already are much more educated than yourself.

We claim to be Pashtun nationalists meaning we want the unification of Pashtuns Not Tajiks,Hazaras and Uzbeks who are called Afghans.

And by calling Tajiks with names, wishing Hazaras and Uzbeks death, callings us Pukhtoons Persian slaves, you seriously believe you are gonna achieve your so-called goal? Your only aim is insulting Afghans and Afghanistan, you don't want any unity at all otherwise you would have made at least one comment (if not thread) where you praise the beauty of Pukhtoon culture and where you state why Pukhtoons should be united. By insulting us instead, you will only get insults back, unity is something to not even talk about!

Your heart is filled with hatred against Pakistan and Punjabis, the same vice versa with us against Half of Afghanistans Population.

Pakistani government has provided us with terrorists not only on our land but also Pakhtunkhwa and has always made sure Afghanistan stays unstable so we never ever raise the issue of Durrand Line. That's the reason why some Afghans are filled with hatred. But what has half of Afghanistan population done to you? Were they the ones selling you out? Have they sent you terrorists? Have they tried to keep you unstable? Then what exactly is your reason for such an immerse hatred, instead them not belong to the perfect race called Pukhtoons?

Half of your country speaks Dari and not Pushto.

And the other half speaks Pukhto, not Dari.

Pashtuns are looked down upon in Afghanistan and not until both countries are dismantled we wont see any unification of Pashtuns.

Yup, we need our status to be the same as those Pukhtoons in Pakistan where we gain loads of respect. Right?

And why are you so angry about our sincere concerns.

What and which sincere concern? Is there any post of yours where you encourage Pukhtoons towards Pukhtoon unity rather than Afghan unity, instead of forcing the Pukhtoon unity on them? Is there any post of yours where you show why we should be united as Pukhtoons instead of divided as Afghans? Exactly.

take my friend for example frm Kabul, He couldnt get into the Afghan Army because he couldnt speak Dari, You have Pashtuns in Afghanistan who refuse to attend Pushto speaking classes and instead rush to learn dari, same with those Dari Speakers.

Lies, lies, lies, and even more LIES! All those ANA members I saw in Jalalabad and Laghman were communicating in Pukhto with each other; Even the Tajiks so shut your nonsense please!

Of course abdur rahman sold us but prefer his hazara brothers, this is typical of Afghan leadership qualities,

Who was Abdur Rahman back then to you? Back then, didn't he belong to the same country as you? exactly, so even if you have been deceived then you have been deceived by your countrymen who today are your ex-countrymen so stop crying like a 2 year old! You keep sticking in the past and then even wonder why in future we can't get along!? And for a gazillion times, Hazaras were killed in millions of numbers when we lost Pakhtunkhwa. None accepted them!

You ignore and avoid the fact that Pashtuns are not as much disrespected nor harmed in Pakistan as we see in North Afghanistan so how can you hint out we are brutalised in Pakistan more?

Do you have any proof that in North still Pukhtoons are being harassed by non-Pukhtoons? No, you don't, so just shush. And by the way, who were being targeted in those killings in Karachi? My neighbors?

Do you want to drag Pashtuns into a senseless bloodshed to reclaim this fantasy called Loy Afghanistan where Tajiks and co will rule over us and degrade our culture and customs?

LOL, you naive soul! They haven't even been able to rule on us when we were at our peak, what makes you think they will be able to when our numbers increase? Are you having a contradiction problem?

Listen to the words of fish and foruz and angaar, they would never accept a Pashtunkhwa joining them, to them hazaras,tajiks and uzbeks are more dearer.

No, to members like me and those you named their country is dear, who had enough of three decades of destruction! To us those are dear who got the same wishes as us and since you don't belong to that list, then indeed a Tajik, Hazara or Uzbek who does have that wish is indeed much dearer to us! And I think I can say as well on behalf of Angaar, Feroza, Fish, etcetera.

So I dont blaime SOM and Luffy for their stance on Pakistan

Nor do we, seriously! If they seriously believe their government is their friend and they gonna have a beautiful future with Pakistan (while past and current are contradictions to that) then all the best to them! But it's us who are in charge in Afghanistan and if we can't manage Afghanistan, then don't strive for unity with us because we won't be able to handle Pukhtunistan either!

[abubaker]

what is the point of all of this nonses threads over and over again. the never ending debate..... who the helllllll has asked this maseed to reunite with afghanistan... why do you keep bringing up excuse threads justifying your HATE of afghanistan and afghans... you go around beat the drum of pashtoon unity in pashtoonistan while you have 0 respect for pashtoons of afghanistan... you do not let go of a single opportunity to name and disrespect us and then u speak of ur Nationalism? PLEASE DONT FOOL URSELF AND OTHERS BY TRYING TO PORTRAY YOUR FAKE NATIONALISM...ALL YOU ARE FOR ARE PAKHTOONS OF PAKHTOONKHWA AND MOSTLY FROM WAZIRISTAN... YOU ARE NOT NATIONALIST YOU ARE TRIBALIST OR WHATEVER THE HELLL IT IS... AND LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU, THE DREAM OF YOUR LOY PAKHTOONKHWA WILL NEVER EVER EVER COME TRUE INSHALLAH. OVER EVERY AFGHAN'S DEAD BODY THAT AN INCH OF AFGHANISTAN WILL EVER BE SPLIT INTO TWO... 100 of thousands of afghans have sacrificed their life for afghanistan... its a joke that u now after countless years struggle can ask an afghan to let go of his identity... pa khudai che khola ba derta maata kei!... you have polluted this whole forum... not just you but a few others who are stuck on the same tune. this is realy getting boring and i really don't look forward to come to this forum anymore because of people like you.... WE GET IT... YOU DON'T LIKE THE NAME AFGHAN, ITS A FARSI NAME ACCORDING TO YOU... YOU DON'T LIKE AFGHANISTAN... YOU DON'T LIKE TAJIKS HAZARAS YOU THINK THEY ARE DOGS AND LESS THAN A HUMAN BEING... YOUR HEART IS FILLED WITH HATERED OF AFGHANS AND PASHTOONS OF AFGHANISTAN...WE GET IT! YOU DON'T WANNA REUNIT WITH AFGHANISTA... WE GET THAT TOO... CAN WE NOW MOVE ON AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE?

wayam khpala ham nara khaza ye aw mor aw plar di ham nar di, afareen di wee pa ta

[Michin Khel]

Persianised pashtuns are not sincere to unity of pashtuns. They cant reject tajiks for us as they feel more related to them than us. I dont blame them as they have heavily mixed with farsiwans. I have noted that whenever heated arguements starts between persianised pashtun and pashtun of pakistan in forums then they they try to insult pakistani pashtuns by calling them paaki, dhaaalkhor, and punjabi slave. It shows that they generally view us in this regard but due to forum rules and regulations they are hesistant to show their true feelings for us.

[Michin Khel]

^^

There are persianized pashtuns as there are desified pashtuns from pakhtunkhwa who call Afghans "gelamjam" "majar" and other in****ing names. These kind of people exist on both sides. You can't say the problem is only on one side. Example is our dear brother Maseed who called Afghanistan the home of drug dealers and rapists. And we have DZJ from Afghanistan who put in her signature that pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa deserved to be sold for money because they are not worth alot.

These kind of insults just show immaturity and emmotional gibberish.

It seem like the 100 years or so of seperation and our lack of undrestanding of each other have really done us great damage. But I am glad to say these people are in minority and need to be educated.

If you have read my posts i also criticize desified jeavay jeavay pakistan pashtuns ...desified pashtuns are already notorious but persianised pashtuns should be more highlighted as afghans refuse that such group of pashtuns exists.

[ijaz yousafzai]

Oh wait, you forget your icon Bacha Khan's desire?

This shows we do not share our national heroes.Go and hang the portrait of Ahmad Shah Masud in your offices and public places.Your sarcasism regarding Baacha Khan, is really heart breaking.