The Durand Line Agreement 1893

[BLS_1919v2.0]

How am I barely a Pashtun? Listen BLS last time you ran away from debate and you are repeating same act. This is not Afghanistani Forum or Afghan forum. This is Pashtun forums and I am Pashtun. Just becaue I am not from wardak, laghman, Kanadhar, or Helmand I am not pashtun??


You guys sold us out. now that we are developed and rich you and Shayesta and Mayana want us back? We dont want you guys.

Pakistani you in the other thread said you were alokozai (whether you retracted that or deleted it, I don't know)...now you are either one of those pashtuns who moved to Kashmir or Panjab generations ago, or you are the first alokozai who insults and seeks division among his own people. Alokozais are in South Pashtunkhwa and South Afghanistan...not one has ever opted for it..not one.

Now I didn't run away from any debate (the fact that you even pretend that you debate is a joke in it of itself)...I was tired of the pathanthob ramblings that come in and out every second week, so I gave a link with all the answers (since you were too lazy to search...I know technology so tiresome lolzz).

I didn't sell anyone, but I know what mohammadzai rulers and pathan khaansamaas did..they sold the entire Pashtun people. BTW I am from Shangla. I am an Afghan/Pashtun Yousafzai. Manana

[Millatpal Noorzai]

So you are saying he did not sell us? If this is the case why doesnt your Govt have us back?

How come your Govt never tried to have us back?

Its a matter of time, we will claim your dead soul back.
After 70s Afghanistan has never been in a position to present its case about Pashtunistan,but the state of Afghanistan will not remain likewise for long.

Afghanistan would definitely want to see Pashtuns of Pakistan independent,either on their own or as a rejoice with motherland Afghanistan.

Afghans can't do without the support of you Pashtun in Pakistan.It has to be a joint struggle which will acquire sacrifices both from you and us but let that not be hurdle in our way.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Its a matter of time, we will claim your dead soul back.
After 70s Afghanistan has never been in a position to present its case about Pashtunistan,but the state of Afghanistan will not remain likewise for long.

Afghanistan would definitely want to see Pashtuns of Pakistan independent,either on their own or as a rejoice with motherland Afghanistan.

Afghans can't do without the support of you Pashtun in Pakistan.It has to be a joint struggle which will acquire sacrifices both from you and us but let that not be hurdle in our way.

It is a joint effort and I am happy someone is pointing it out rather than making it an Afghanistan v Pashtunkhwa. Both made mistakes, both have to overcome them and move ahead. Our destiny inshallah is together...no matter how many times peerangyaan want to prop up divisions.

[afghan]

Abdurrahman khan never signed any document , he was represented by Sahibzada Abdul Latif (Qadyani) and the british india was represented by Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum ( pashtun from pashtunkhwah) and mortimer Durand.

[Feroza_Banu]

what is the point of all of this nonses threads over and over again. the never ending debate..... who the helllllll has asked this maseed to reunite with afghanistan... why do you keep bringing up excuse threads justifying your HATE of afghanistan and afghans... you go around beat the drum of pashtoon unity in pashtoonistan while you have 0 respect for pashtoons of afghanistan... you do not let go of a single opportunity to name and disrespect us and then u speak of ur Nationalism? PLEASE DONT FOOL URSELF AND OTHERS BY TRYING TO PORTRAY YOUR FAKE NATIONALISM...ALL YOU ARE FOR ARE PAKHTOONS OF PAKHTOONKHWA AND MOSTLY FROM WAZIRISTAN... YOU ARE NOT NATIONALIST YOU ARE TRIBALIST OR WHATEVER THE HELLL IT IS... AND LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU, THE DREAM OF YOUR LOY PAKHTOONKHWA WILL NEVER EVER EVER COME TRUE INSHALLAH. OVER EVERY AFGHAN'S DEAD BODY THAT AN INCH OF AFGHANISTAN WILL EVER BE SPLIT INTO TWO... 100 of thousands of afghans have sacrificed their life for afghanistan... its a joke that u now after countless years struggle can ask an afghan to let go of his identity... pa khudai che khola ba derta maata kei!... you have polluted this whole forum... not just you but a few others who are stuck on the same tune. this is realy getting boring and i really don't look forward to come to this forum anymore because of people like you.... WE GET IT... YOU DON'T LIKE THE NAME AFGHAN, ITS A FARSI NAME ACCORDING TO YOU... YOU DON'T LIKE AFGHANISTAN... YOU DON'T LIKE TAJIKS HAZARAS YOU THINK THEY ARE DOGS AND LESS THAN A HUMAN BEING... YOUR HEART IS FILLED WITH HATERED OF AFGHANS AND PASHTOONS OF AFGHANISTAN...WE GET IT! YOU DON'T WANNA REUNIT WITH AFGHANISTA... WE GET THAT TOO... CAN WE NOW MOVE ON AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE?

[Nokia_Apridy]

da Khwand khbra da di chay KHARS hem munga shu Peghor hem zmung

pa Lamanu para ya Ganda krlu (Watarlu) ....

MILLAT pal Wrar da ALLAH pak Mannnna chay

Mung ya Stargay ao Mazga rakrey di......

[Millatpal Noorzai]

da Khwand khbra da di chay KHARS hem munga shu Peghor hem zmung

pa Lamanu para ya Ganda krlu (Watarlu) ....

MILLAT pal Wrar da ALLAH pak Mannnna chay

Mung ya Stargay ao Mazga rakrey di......

Ka ya da stargo aw maghzo sara,yaw saboot ham pa las derkarai dai chi taso cha khars kari yast no mehrabani wakra MA AW TOLO MALGARO ta ya rashkara kra.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Nu wos tor abudrehman khu darta da Kabar nasham rawstay chay

rasha wagapa chay parsiwan da prakhwal munga da khars kral.....

[BehavedMaseed]

what is the point of all of this nonses threads over and over again. the never ending debate..... who the helllllll has asked this maseed to reunite with afghanistan... why do you keep bringing up excuse threads justifying your HATE of afghanistan and afghans... you go around beat the drum of pashtoon unity in pashtoonistan while you have 0 respect for pashtoons of afghanistan... you do not let go of a single opportunity to name and disrespect us and then u speak of ur Nationalism? PLEASE DONT FOOL URSELF AND OTHERS BY TRYING TO PORTRAY YOUR FAKE NATIONALISM...ALL YOU ARE FOR ARE PAKHTOONS OF PAKHTOONKHWA AND MOSTLY FROM WAZIRISTAN... YOU ARE NOT NATIONALIST YOU ARE TRIBALIST OR WHATEVER THE HELLL IT IS... AND LET ME BREAK IT TO YOU, THE DREAM OF YOUR LOY PAKHTOONKHWA WILL NEVER EVER EVER COME TRUE INSHALLAH. OVER EVERY AFGHAN'S DEAD BODY THAT AN INCH OF AFGHANISTAN WILL EVER BE SPLIT INTO TWO... 100 of thousands of afghans have sacrificed their life for afghanistan... its a joke that u now after countless years struggle can ask an afghan to let go of his identity... pa khudai che khola ba derta maata kei!... you have polluted this whole forum... not just you but a few others who are stuck on the same tune. this is realy getting boring and i really don't look forward to come to this forum anymore because of people like you.... WE GET IT... YOU DON'T LIKE THE NAME AFGHAN, ITS A FARSI NAME ACCORDING TO YOU... YOU DON'T LIKE AFGHANISTAN... YOU DON'T LIKE TAJIKS HAZARAS YOU THINK THEY ARE DOGS AND LESS THAN A HUMAN BEING... YOUR HEART IS FILLED WITH HATERED OF AFGHANS AND PASHTOONS OF AFGHANISTAN...WE GET IT! YOU DON'T WANNA REUNIT WITH AFGHANISTA... WE GET THAT TOO... CAN WE NOW MOVE ON AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE?

Again let me educate you here.

We claim to be Pashtun nationalists meaning we want the unification of Pashtuns Not Tajiks,Hazaras and Uzbeks who are called Afghans.

Your heart is filled with hatred against Pakistan and Punjabis, the same vice versa with us against Half of Afghanistans Population.

I am just shocked at how BLS has thanked this girls comment and spends his own existance insulting Pakistan and Piraangs. lol.

Foruz Banu, who are you to say what is fake Nationalism and what is real Nationalism. Half of your country speaks Dari and not Pushto. Pashtuns are looked down upon in Afghanistan and not until both countries are dismantled we wont see any unification of Pashtuns.

And why are you so angry about our sincere concerns. Afghanistan was never even a country, the people of Afghanistan have overthrown every government of their country. What makes you think your future is going to be so sweet and fruitful when there are 1000s of your fellow Afghan Pashtuns who have fled to Pakhtunkhwa and tell us stories about how they been oppressed by a Dari dominant government, take my friend for example frm Kabul, He couldnt get into the Afghan Army because he couldnt speak Dari, You have Pashtuns in Afghanistan who refuse to attend Pushto speaking classes and instead rush to learn dari, same with those Dari Speakers.

Of course we have to raise the issue of Afghanistan and splitting it into two otherwise how will Pashtuns be united when people such as you will be lecturing us on your double standards.

Pashtuns in Afghanistan need to unite with those from Pakhtunkhwa and make their own state. If Afghan=Pashtuns, then in a Pashtun state there would be no compromise on giving the title of pashtun to minorities just as Afghanistan has done.

Of course abdur rahman sold us but prefer his hazara brothers, this is typical of Afghan leadership qualities, they always betray the dominate group being the Pashtuns while they educate themselves in Dari and look down upon Pashtuns.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Again let me educate you here.

We claim to be Pashtun nationalists meaning we want the unification of Pashtuns Not Tajiks,Hazaras and Uzbeks who are called Afghans.

Your heart is filled with hatred against Pakistan and Punjabis, the same vice versa with us against Half of Afghanistans Population.

I am just shocked at how BLS has thanked this girls comment and spends his own existance insulting Pakistan and Piraangs. lol.

Foruz Banu, who are you to say what is fake Nationalism and what is real Nationalism. Half of your country speaks Dari and not Pushto. Pashtuns are looked down upon in Afghanistan and not until both countries are dismantled we wont see any unification of Pashtuns.

And why are you so angry about our sincere concerns. Afghanistan was never even a country, the people of Afghanistan have overthrown every government of their country. What makes you think your future is going to be so sweet and fruitful when there are 1000s of your fellow Afghan Pashtuns who have fled to Pakhtunkhwa and tell us stories about how they been oppressed by a Dari dominant government, take my friend for example frm Kabul, He couldnt get into the Afghan Army because he couldnt speak Dari, You have Pashtuns in Afghanistan who refuse to attend Pushto speaking classes and instead rush to learn dari, same with those Dari Speakers.

Of course we have to raise the issue of Afghanistan and splitting it into two otherwise how will Pashtuns be united when people such as you will be lecturing us on your double standards.

Pashtuns in Afghanistan need to unite with those from Pakhtunkhwa and make their own state. If Afghan=Pashtuns, then in a Pashtun state there would be no compromise on giving the title of pashtun to minorities just as Afghanistan has done.

Of course abdur rahman sold us but prefer his hazara brothers, this is typical of Afghan leadership qualities, they always betray the dominate group being the Pashtuns while they educate themselves in Dari and look down upon Pashtuns.

Kind Regards

I thanked her because I know where she is coming from and judging from some of these useless rants and comments by some, I can't really fault her. Everytime things are repeated on and on and people have lost the basic gist of it. Now how nayone here logically compares the politics we have to do with people in North Afghanistan and that with Pakistan's state is beyond me. I really can't say anything other than you are mixing apples with oranges. Two different dynamics, two different histories, and different ways of attacking the issues. You all want to mix them for some ideal that in our region is neither in our interests nor can be attained.

[BehavedMaseed]

I thanked her because I know where she is coming from and judging from some of these useless rants and comments by some, I can't really fault her. Everytime things are repeated on and on and people have lost the basic gist of it. Now how nayone here logically compares the politics we have to do with people in North Afghanistan and that with Pakistan's state is beyond me. I really can't say anything other than you are mixing apples with oranges. Two different dynamics, two different histories, and different ways of attacking the issues. You all want to mix them for some ideal that in our region is neither in our interests nor can be attained.

BLS

You ignore and avoid the fact that Pashtuns are not as much disrespected nor harmed in Pakistan as we see in North Afghanistan so how can you hint out we are brutalised in Pakistan more?

How can you expect the present day Afghanistan to accept another 20 or so million Pashtuns and not see a radical reaction from its minorities who control the whole country and capital Kabul?

Do you want to drag Pashtuns into a senseless bloodshed to reclaim this fantasy called Loy Afghanistan where Tajiks and co will rule over us and degrade our culture and customs?

You defended her not on the grounds of how she feels, but on the grounds that you are no different than those in Pakistan who promote Pakistaniyat, You want to drag Pashtuns into another hell hole where we will be again oppressed by non Pashtuns.

Listen to the words of fish and foruz and angaar, they would never accept a Pashtunkhwa joining them, to them hazaras,tajiks and uzbeks are more dearer. So I dont blaime SOM and Luffy for their stance on Pakistan because its logical to always think first of Pashtun interests and being dragged into a country such as Afghanistan through Propaghanda against Pakistan will not acheive anything. We must work all together to establish a sole Pashtun state and stop seeking these strategich locations non sense.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

BLS

You ignore and avoid the fact that Pashtuns are not as much disrespected nor harmed in Pakistan as we see in North Afghanistan so how can you hint out we are brutalised in Pakistan more?

How can you expect the present day Afghanistan to accept another 20 or so million Pashtuns and not see a radical reaction from its minorities who control the whole country and capital Kabul?

Do you want to drag Pashtuns into a senseless bloodshed to reclaim this fantasy called Loy Afghanistan where Tajiks and co will rule over us and degrade our culture and customs?

You defended her not on the grounds of how she feels, but on the grounds that you are no different than those in Pakistan who promote Pakistaniyat, You want to drag Pashtuns into another hell hole where we will be again oppressed by non Pashtuns.

Listen to the words of fish and foruz and angaar, they would never accept a Pashtunkhwa joining them, to them hazaras,tajiks and uzbeks are more dearer. So I dont blaime SOM and Luffy for their stance on Pakistan because its logical to always think first of Pashtun interests and being dragged into a country such as Afghanistan through Propaghanda against Pakistan will not acheive anything. We must work all together to establish a sole Pashtun state and stop seeking these strategich locations non sense.

Kind Regards

Peera your own area is an example. Before you call out my fantasies look at your own politics and how you choose this path. Your area bombed, people turned in to refugees, and when many were in the camps, you know their treatment. Hec even settled area people were turning a blind eye. The very situation of your area proves my point. If you want to tell me that a tajik or even the British in their worst times caused those areas more damage than please by all means show me. If you can't then don't come call me out.

[BehavedMaseed]

Peera your own area is an example. Before you call out my fantasies look at your own politics and how you choose this path. Your area bombed, people turned in to refugees, and when many were in the camps, you know their treatment. Hec even settled area people were turning a blind eye. The very situation of your area proves my point. If you want to tell me that a tajik or even the British in their worst times caused those areas more damage than please by all means show me. If you can't then don't come call me out.

If this is your source to defend your argument then tell me this how come your fellow Afghans support these military operations? Why did Afghan ruler Amanullah betray the Wazir and Mahsud tribes and allowed the British to invade Waziristan and kill us indiscrimately?

If Mahsuds loved Afghanistan so much then why didnt we all flee there for protection? We all went to Tank and DI Khan? How come Afghan Haqqani and Afghan taliban work hand in hand with Pakistan in Miram Shah Waziristan?

For your own Information those Pak fauge units in Waziristan are actually Pashtuns, most of them are Khattaks, Those in Afghanistan raping Pashtun women are Tajik units of ANA. So what then? You think by making this loy Afghanistan will make things better for us as a whole?

We were Sold to the British India by the Afghans, I never seen a single Afghan Army unit in the 1000's come into Pakhtunkhwa to save us from the evil Pakistanis or British. They were busy trying to convert Hazara Shias into Sunnis than uniting Pashtuns. We were sold for a few lakh a year salary from the British. Doesnt this indicate anything to you? where was Afghan Army and Afghans when bacha khan was being oppressed and beaten up and abused by Pakistan? Why did Afghan never take serious the Pashtunistan movement in Pakhtunkhwa? Why did the whole concept of Pashtunistan only reach kabul a few decades later of its creation?

A real and sensible option would be to become autonomous, have control over our resources and work to make Pushto our official language, this talk of integration with Darizubans this and that is no viable.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

If this is your source to defend your argument then tell me this how come your fellow Afghans support these military operations? Why did Afghan ruler Amanullah betray the Wazir and Mahsud tribes and allowed the British to invade Waziristan and kill us indiscrimately?

If Mahsuds loved Afghanistan so much then why didnt we all flee there for protection? We all went to Tank and DI Khan? How come Afghan Haqqani and Afghan taliban work hand in hand with Pakistan in Miram Shah Waziristan?

For your own Information those Pak fauge units in Waziristan are actually Pashtuns, most of them are Khattaks, Those in Afghanistan raping Pashtun women are Tajik units of ANA. So what then? You think by making this loy Afghanistan will make things better for us as a whole?

We were Sold to the British India by the Afghans, I never seen a single Afghan Army unit in the 1000's come into Pakhtunkhwa to save us from the evil Pakistanis or British. They were busy trying to convert Hazara Shias into Sunnis than uniting Pashtuns. We were sold for a few lakh a year salary from the British. Doesnt this indicate anything to you? where was Afghan Army and Afghans when bacha khan was being oppressed and beaten up and abused by Pakistan? Why did Afghan never take serious the Pashtunistan movement in Pakhtunkhwa? Why did the whole concept of Pashtunistan only reach kabul a few decades later of its creation?

A real and sensible option would be to become autonomous, have control over our resources and work to make Pushto our official language, this talk of integration with Darizubans this and that is no viable.

Kind Regards

How come you divert things when you can't defend your own stance? You are talking about things that are not relevant to this discussion. You said that they were not as disrespected in Pakistan than Afghanistan. You brought this 'source' on yourself. Now that you can't justify you are talking Amanullah and why Maseeds didn't go to x,yz area. Ok say that everything you said there is 100 % right and factual...does it change the reality of the situation.

Were qibaeel bombed back to stone age by Amanullah, Massoud, or whoever else...or did this honour go to the state of Pakistan? The proof is in the pudding my friend and in this case, you basically disproved your own self.

Nor sthaso khwakhaa daa...you start arguments where you guys please, then switch them, then bring them back, then switch them...Khudae khabr dae pa sthaso siyasath.

[Zahed]

lol at these pathetic lil Pakiis for barking the same shet over over again despite of being put on their places a million times! I thought stupidity had no limit but illiteracy seems to top even that! Pashtu in Afghanistan is progressing the way Punjabism in Peshawer. u Pakiis got no idea how hard Pashtuns 're trying to attract attention towards Pashtu 'n even succeed so STFU. I request all Afghan members to ignore these two faced fags who gather the guts to call us two faced. we Afghans 're what we 're in ur face, unlike u carbon copies of Punjchods who 'll say Pashtun unity zindabad in ur face but make fun of Afghan Pashtuns behind their backs! I keep telling Afghan Pashtuns Pakiis arent arguing 'cuz they want unity, they 're only taking the trouble to make Afghans hate eachother 'n make us their 5th colony! I end up being called a jangandaz 'n they think I'm against while they dont realise Pakiis dont want us to be in peace! btw, I'm a Tajik who doesnt give a damn about his Persian neighbors either. I'm am Afghan 'n Afghanistan all I care for 'n my enemies firstly 're those Afghans who want unity with their tribesmen rather than their countrymen, followed by our neighbors!