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  • #16
    Originally posted by khushal View Post
    Insight is right and they were popular in most of the north since most was taken without a real fight with the exception of mazar and panjshir. Also the military achievement youre talking about was done with his "rallying cry." The others couldnt do it even with the help of powerful superpowers.
    Man I find fascinating how arrogantly you speak about stuff you did not even witness to begin with. This is an amazing trait all you Americans have in common "only mazar and panjshir faced real fight" "they were popular in the north" lol The brutality in Herat, Taloqan, Kunduz, Shamali, Kabul and Hazarajat is pretty well known. Some of the most hardcore battles took place in those cities/regions. Panjshir wasnt even conquered by the Taliban (Massoud blocked the road to stop their progress). Even now, if you one day decide to leave your country the USA and visit Afghanistan, you will come across people talking about mad Arabs and Chechens systematically butchering civilians in those regions.

    And Insight is not right. He is a retarded Paki Pajeet parroting retarded Paki nationalist nonsense.
    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

    -Ferdowsi.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by khushal View Post
      Insight is right and they were popular in most of the north since most was taken without a real fight with the exception of mazar and panjshir. Also the military achievement youre talking about was done with his "rallying cry." The others couldnt do it even with the help of powerful superpowers.
      Randolph running away is really funny. Im sure his reading this right now.

      He attributes me posting a WSJ article about Mullah Omar living in Afghanistan as equivalent to me supporting the Taliban.

      Same goes with Ferdousi. Maybe they should argue with the author?
      Last edited by Insight; 03-18-2019, 10:52 PM.
      "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        Man I find fascinating how arrogantly you speak about stuff you did not even witness to begin with. This is an amazing trait all you Americans have in common "only mazar and panjshir faced real fight" "they were popular in the north" lol The brutality in Herat, Taloqan, Kunduz, Shamali, Kabul and Hazarajat is pretty well known. Some of the most hardcore battles took place in those cities/regions. Panjshir wasnt even conquered by the Taliban (Massoud blocked the road to stop their progress). Even now, if you one day decide to leave your country the USA and visit Afghanistan, you will come across people talking about mad Arabs and Chechens systematically butchering civilians in those regions.

        And Insight is not right. He is a retarded Paki Pajeet parroting retarded Paki nationalist nonsense.
        No that is false. You need to bring sources. The brutalities were most tit for tat with the Hazara and Uzbek butchering 3000 Taliban in mazar. That was the spark. We had this discussion before and you didn't bring in sources before either.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
          He (his movement) rallied a segment of Afghans based on their geography and circumstances but most of this is based on military achievements. Same as other clowns like Dostum, Atta, Rabbani, and others who still have massive followings. The Taliban just happened to have military achievements far greater than their enemies. Let’s not pretend they were popular in mostly non Pashtun areas. This is no crowning achievement or worthy of the crown of commander of the faithful in a civil war against other Muslims.

          Kind of random but I am retiring from PF as of now. It was fun guys.
          Lol you are retiring because your Ad-hom and BS has been called out.
          "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by khushal View Post
            No that is false. You need to bring sources. The brutalities were most tit for tat with the Hazara and Uzbek butchering 3000 Taliban in mazar. That was the spark. We had this discussion before and you didn't bring in sources before either.
            No, that was your rendering/narration of the "spark" the spark was Taliban tresspassing on other people UN-I-N-V-I-T-E-D ...what gave them even the right of way to do that?

            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
            don’t try to be smart.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
              . This is no crowning achievement or worthy of the crown of commander of the faithful in a civil war against other Muslims.
              Exactly, he was just another War-Lord among every other warlord ....posturing himself as the "People's Warlord" ...otherwise he wouldn't have been so adamant for control.

              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
              don’t try to be smart.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Insight View Post
                Now the facts presented in this article show Mullah Omar lived in Afghanistan partly out of distrust of Pakistan.


                And now you say that doesn't matter? LoL

                So what? ...A mafia crime boss being suspicous of other Mafia crime bosses within the same organization doesn't mean they don't work together.

                Mullah "#HumbleBrag" Umar not living in Pakistan is inconsequential to whether he worked in conjunction to their interests in Afghanistan. .....it was OPENLY evident he did in the 90s.

                And let's not forget that men who were UNDER Umar's authority WERE in Pakistan ...like Mullah Zaeef....he was probably afraid that despite his collusion with Pakistan that they'd use him as a Trophy piece to win favor with America just like they did with other Taliban leaders.

                This was probably more an insurance policy than lack of cooperation with Pakistan. It's not hard to see ....there's no "contradiction" here

                Nice try though.

                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                don’t try to be smart.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                  Man I find fascinating how arrogantly you speak about stuff you did not even witness to begin with. This is an amazing trait all you Americans have in common "only mazar and panjshir faced real fight" "they were popular in the north" lol The brutality in Herat, Taloqan, Kunduz, Shamali, Kabul and Hazarajat is pretty well known. Some of the most hardcore battles took place in those cities/regions. Panjshir wasnt even conquered by the Taliban (Massoud blocked the road to stop their progress). Even now, if you one day decide to leave your country the USA and visit Afghanistan, you will come across people talking about mad Arabs and Chechens systematically butchering civilians in those regions.

                  And Insight is not right. He is a retarded Paki Pajeet parroting retarded Paki nationalist nonsense.

                  I trust your analysis more than anyone else's ...because you actually LIVED in areas that were the frontlines of Taliban aggression.


                  I try to be nice to Insight, but he's glaringly obvious Taliban apologist, I wish he'd just admit that for once. LOL

                  Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                  Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                  don’t try to be smart.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                    So what? ...A mafia crime boss being suspicous of other Mafia crime bosses within the same organization doesn't mean they don't work together.

                    Mullah "#HumbleBrag" Umar not living in Pakistan is inconsequential to whether he worked in conjunction to their interests in Afghanistan. .....it was OPENLY evident he did in the 90s.

                    And let's not forget that men who were UNDER Umar's authority WERE in Pakistan ...like Mullah Zaeef....he was probably afraid that despite his collusion with Pakistan that they'd use him as a Trophy piece to win favor with America just like they did with other Taliban leaders.

                    This was probably more an insurance policy than lack of cooperation with Pakistan. It's not hard to see ....there's no "contradiction" here

                    Nice try though.
                    Who said Taliban and Pakistan (and Iran) have not worked together? Do you just BS on the go?

                    Insurgencies like the Afghan/Taliban insurgencies have mutual interests with their backers whomever they maybe. This is not news. What is your point?

                    Are you drunk again lol?
                    Last edited by Insight; 03-20-2019, 09:25 PM.
                    "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                      I trust your analysis more than anyone else's ...because you actually LIVED in areas that were the frontlines of Taliban aggression.


                      I try to be nice to Insight, but he's glaringly obvious Taliban apologist, I wish he'd just admit that for once. LOL
                      You trust Ferdousi's BS analysis over other people (who do research on the ground in Afghanistan like the journalist who wrote this article and the countless other sources that contradict all the Kabul puppet regime talking points Ferdousi farts from his mouth

                      "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                        No, that was your rendering/narration of the "spark" the spark was Taliban tresspassing on other people UN-I-N-V-I-T-E-D ...what gave them even the right of way to do that?
                        We had this discussion before. They were invited into mazar in a peace deal and then they were butchered. Plus you don't even make sense. Dostom had done many atrocities in Kandar during the Soviet days. Those atrocities is an invitation to where ever Dostom was in the country.
                        Last edited by khushal; 03-21-2019, 03:17 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                          I trust your analysis more than anyone else's ...because you actually LIVED in areas that were the frontlines of Taliban aggression.


                          I try to be nice to Insight, but he's glaringly obvious Taliban apologist, I wish he'd just admit that for once. LOL
                          Taliban aggression against rapists. Why don't you admit youre a rapists apologist.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                            So what? ...A mafia crime boss being suspicous of other Mafia crime bosses within the same organization doesn't mean they don't work together.

                            Mullah "#HumbleBrag" Umar not living in Pakistan is inconsequential to whether he worked in conjunction to their interests in Afghanistan. .....it was OPENLY evident he did in the 90s.

                            And let's not forget that men who were UNDER Umar's authority WERE in Pakistan ...like Mullah Zaeef....he was probably afraid that despite his collusion with Pakistan that they'd use him as a Trophy piece to win favor with America just like they did with other Taliban leaders.

                            This was probably more an insurance policy than lack of cooperation with Pakistan. It's not hard to see ....there's no "contradiction" here

                            Nice try though.
                            Ghula,
                            Mullah Zaeef was an ambassador. His job was to be in Pakistan.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Insight View Post
                              Who said Taliban and Pakistan (and Iran) have not worked together? Do you just BS on the go?

                              Insurgencies like the Afghan/Taliban insurgencies have mutual interests with their backers whomever they maybe. This is not news. What is your point?

                              Are you drunk again lol?
                              You were trying to suggest that somehow Mullah Umar is exonerated of accusations of being a stooge of Pakistan's ISI because he looked at them with suspicion, otherwise I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

                              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                              don’t try to be smart.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                                Ghula,
                                Mullah Zaeef was an ambassador. His job was to be in Pakistan.

                                I used Zaeef as a comparison of why Umar was wary of being in Pakistan

                                so was Ubaidullah Akhund also an ambassador to Pakistan? was Muhammad Hassan Akhund? or Amir Khan Muttaqi? lol

                                Your Taliban apologist side is coming out.

                                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                                don’t try to be smart.

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