The Last Days of Taliban Head Mullah Omar

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You want to act like a child and restart an ancient debate on this forum. Ok

Back up your claims that the Taliban and Mullah Omar are Pakistani stooges.

Since you believe journalists count as research, Ahmed Rashid, here's evidence.


From Ahmed Rashid's book Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia. Yale Nota Bene Books. p. 39

"[T]he Taliban had spent the summer [of 1995] rebuilding their forces with arms, ammunition and vehicles provided by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and a new command structure created with the help of ISI advisers. The ISI also helped broker an agreement, never made public, between the Taliban and General Rashid Dostum ... to repair Mig fighters and helicopters the Taliban had captured a year earlier in Kandahar, thereby creating the Taliban's first airpower. ... the Taliban quickly mobilised some 25,000 men, many of them fresh volunteers from Pakistan."[6]

So this covers the Pakistani presence, So ....


Ahmed Rashid,

https://harpers.org/blog/2008/07/inside-the-pakistan-taliban-relationship-six-questions-for-ahmed-rashid-author-of-_descent-into-chaos_/

This lack of U.S. interest coincided with the interests of the Pakistani army: to go after Al Qaeda, but to allow the Taliban to resettle in Pakistan. Quite soon the Taliban was once again patronized by the ISI. The reason was that the Pakistani army was deeply offended by the Bonn agreement, which actually gave all power to the Northern Alliance–who were deemed the enemies of Pakistan and the Taliban because they had been backed in the civil war by India, Russia, and Iran (the regional opponents of the Taliban and Pakistan during the 1990s decade-long civil war in Afghanistan). Later, India asserted itself in Afghanistan by opening an embassy and four consulates in Afghanistan and then announced a large reconstruction program in Pakistan. Pakistan’s military told the West that Indian influence was undermining Pakistan’s interests in Afghanistan and also subverting Pakistan by funding and supporting the Baloch insurgency in Balochistan province. Today India’s presumed influence in Afghanistan is the principle gripe of the military. I think the Americans knew quite early what was going on between the military and the Taliban, but were prepared to ignore it as long as Musharraf helped out with Al Qaeda and as long as the United States remained bogged down in Iraq.

So not only was Umar being a Stooge, but it's actually a much WORSE form of Stoogery by denying it and trying to be surreptitious. So technically Umar was WORSE than Karzai ....at least Karzai was obvious.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

So why do you keep bringing up Ambassadors? For ****s and giggles. What is your point?

Now I figured you just like to have circular and nonsensical arguments just for the sake of arguing.

You are so triggered right now that you can't even read what I wrote properly. If I'm "drunk" then you just smoked Meth and are so hopped up and jittery that you can't focus.

Go back and read what I wrote.

[Insight]

Since you believe journalists count as research, Ahmed Rashid, here's evidence.


From Ahmed Rashid's book Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia. Yale Nota Bene Books. p. 39



So this covers the Pakistani presence, So ....


Ahmed Rashid,

https://harpers.org/blog/2008/07/inside-the-pakistan-taliban-relationship-six-questions-for-ahmed-rashid-author-of-_descent-into-chaos_/

So not only was Umar being a Stooge, but it's actually a much WORSE form of Stoogery by denying it and trying to be surreptitious. So technically Umar was WORSE than Karzai ....at least Karzai was obvious.

Common intetests don't amount to being a stooge.


So were the Vietnamese stooges of Russia and China?

[Insight]

You are so triggered right now that you can't even read what I wrote properly. If I'm "drunk" then you just smoked Meth and are so hopped up and jittery that you can't focus.

Go back and read what I wrote.

You bring up Ambassadors to address a point the author made in this article about Mullah Omar living in Afghanistan. Your explanation makes zero sense

Do you actually require someone to restate your rapidly changing arguments ?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Common intetests don't amount to being a stooge.

By that logic, then NO One's a Stooge, not even Karzai; Obviously Stooges serve others interests because THEY get something out of it. So your reasoning doesn't hold in the political sense.

And if that's not damning enough WATCH THIS.

In 1999, Naseerullah Babar who was the minister of the interior under Bhutto during the Taliban's ascent to power admitted, "we created the Taliban"

Smoking Gun! ...KaPOW!!!!

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You bring up Ambassadors to address a point the author made in this article about Mullah Omar living in Afghanistan. Your explanation makes zero sense

Do you actually require someone to restate your rapidly changing arguments ?

Re-read again ......even Khushal figured it out. lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I don't support the Taliban. I support the end of US war in Afghanistan. I also support knowing the facts and the truth, so please be my guest and provide your sources for all the Taliban massacres you are referring to.

Then why do you keep trying to vindicate the Taliban? And why do you keep trying to portray them as if they're ANYTHING other than trying to work for the Interests of Pakistan? Basically Pakistan are looking to "move in".

[Insight]

Then why do you keep trying to vindicate the Taliban? And why do you keep trying to portray them as if they're ANYTHING other than trying to work for the Interests of Pakistan? Basically Pakistan are looking to "move in".

Im just restating the points made in this article, not vindicating the Taliban.

The Kabul regime/neocon US war supporters have always maintained that Mullah Omar and Taliban leadership lived under Pakistani protection in order to support their point that the Taliban were Pakistani proxies.

Several people on this forum also did the same

[Insight]

By that logic, then NO One's a Stooge, not even Karzai; Obviously Stooges serve others interests because THEY get something out of it. So your reasoning doesn't hold in the political sense.

And if that's not damning enough WATCH THIS.


Smoking Gun! ...KaPOW!!!!

Karzai was installed by a US military presence.

Are you saying Pakistan military and jets are in Afghanistan installing the Taliban as rulers?

Were the Vietnamese stooges of China and Russia?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Karzai was installed by a US military presence.

Are you saying Pakistan military and jets are in Afghanistan installing the Taliban as rulers?

Taliban were propped up by Naseerullah Babar ....there you go.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Im just restating the points made in this article, not vindicating the Taliban.

The Kabul regime/neocon US war supporters have always maintained that Mullah Omar and Taliban leadership lived under Pakistani protection in order to support their point that the Taliban were Pakistani proxies.

Several people on this forum also did the same

But you were using this to suggest that Humblebrag Umar wasn't a stooge because hewasn't hiding in Pakistan ....that seems like an attempt to vindicate them.

[Insight]

By that logic, then NO One's a Stooge, not even Karzai; Obviously Stooges serve others interests because THEY get something out of it. So your reasoning doesn't hold in the political sense.

And if that's not damning enough WATCH THIS.


Smoking Gun! ...KaPOW!!!!

Pakistan also claims that Pakistani Army defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan.

It must be true. Ok you are just boring now

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Pakistan also claims that Pakistani Army defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan.

It must be true. Ok you are just boring now

Pakistan wouldn't take credit for something that would make them global pariahs Since this was Pre-9/11 there's no reason to "make this up" for brownie points. Nice try though

[khushal]

Then why do you keep trying to vindicate the Taliban? And why do you keep trying to portray them as if they're ANYTHING other than trying to work for the Interests of Pakistan? Basically Pakistan are looking to "move in".

Its not about vindication, its about facts.
There are people that say HItler was a child molester but there is no evidence to support it.


Also many Members of Afghan Parliament are paid by ISI so they are already there not to mention that the Durand line is now an actual border where before it was just imaginary on a paper map. You dont even understand the dynamics and interests for the people. You just want to be right and care about feeding your own ego.

[khushal]

Taliban were propped up by Naseerullah Babar ....there you go.

People ask the question "would you kill Hitler as an infant given the opportunity." WW2 was bigger than one man. The Taliban reaction is bigger than any one man. M Omar was no where to be seen and no one knew where he was but the reaction was there.