Obituary for Abdul Raziq

[randolph85]

An occupation regime is a puppet regime. Other then discussing how far and to what angle they bend over, there is nothing really else of substance to the Kabul regime.

Ghani/Karzai/Abdullah can't even stop the US and Trump from talking to the Taliban. Like a puppet,they stop protesting about the US-Taliban negotiations when they are told to. Thats a puppet.

You may keep assuming this war will go on forever "because Afghanistan is so strategically important to the US." There is a reason so many neocons hate Trump (Max Boot -a pro War hawk is an example)

So if Karzai was able to torpedo the negotiations when he was in power because of the Qatar office debacle, would that mean he wasn’t a puppet? That the president of a dirt poor country bested the foreign policy ambitions of the sole superpower? These things don’t matter.

I have never said Afghanistan is strategically important to the US. Afghanistan is nothing to America, it is a blank check. America’s relationship with Pakistan is far more important to them than Afghanistan. This is why Karzai was so frustrated with the Pak-US relationship while the war was being waged inside the country while he was president. It only took him a decade and a half but even that idiot could see the reality of things.

Also, I am not interested in looking at things from a neo con vs trump con perspective. **** all those people.

[Insight]

So if Karzai was able to torpedo the negotiations when he was in power because of the Qatar office debacle, would that mean he wasn’t a puppet? That the president of a dirt poor country bested the foreign policy ambitions of the sole superpower? These things don’t matter.

I have never said Afghanistan is strategically important to the US. Afghanistan is nothing to America, it is a blank check. America’s relationship with Pakistan is far more important to them than Afghanistan. This is why Karzai was so frustrated with the Pak-US relationship while the war was being waged inside the country while he was president. It only took him a decade and a half but even that idiot could see the reality of things.

Also, I am not interested in looking at things from a neo con vs trump con perspective. **** all those people.

What is Karzai to you? An independent individual who managed to "frustrate" the US? Be clear

[Insight]

Reward for building infrastructure? You are not such a retard as you trying to sound. Business in Afg is amazingly flourishing even without security and attacks. Shatooot dume in kabul will provide drinking water for 2 million kabulis, the city as 5 million population yet during Taliban it was empty. Every day new project is being completed and soon with chakhabur opening there will be no need for Pakistan.

Afghan Exports Through Air Corridors To Total $1M | TOLOnews

You are willfully blind

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Pot calls kettle black

[Insight]

Pot calls kettle black

Most of your views are similar to Azmal's.

You are just here for the sake of arguing.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Most of your views are similar to Azmal's.

You are just here for the sake of arguing.

Just like most of your views are similar to the ISI narrative.

[Azmal]

Most of your views are similar to Azmal's.

You are just here for the sake of arguing.

Shut the f up Punjo boy! Why you are even here?

[Insight]

Just like most of your views are similar to the ISI narrative.

"ISI blah blah. Pot calls kettle black. Ad hom. "

See at least Randolph can responds to questions. You on the other hand are just here for simple sake of arguing.

You are simple entertainment

[Insight]

Shut the f up Punjo boy! Why you are even here?

Oh you took me off your ignore list, was it because I started speaking at your gutter level?

no one takes you seriously, you too are entertainment.

Please keep posting

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

"ISI blah blah. Pot calls kettle black. Ad hom. "

See at least Randolph can responds to questions. You on the other hand are just here for simple sake of arguing.

You are simple entertainment

Randolph responds points people have already pretty much made to you for years bro. People are just tired of having to recycle this stuff over and over again. look back at all posts that you have discussed regarding the Taliban. You seem to always want us to reinvent the same debate for you. That's not going to happen. You know that the Taliban are largely rubbish but for some reason you want so badly to believe they're the good guys.

Plot twist: .there are no good guys ...

[Insight]

Randolph responds points people have already pretty much made to you for years bro. People are just tired of having to recycle this stuff over and over again. look back at all posts that you have discussed regarding the Taliban. You seem to always want us to reinvent the same debate for you. That's not going to happen. You know that the Taliban are largely rubbish but for some reason you want so badly to believe they're the good guys.

Plot twist: .there are no good guys ...

Bro, who is "us?" You and Azmal? Speak for yourself.

You are just an online troll wasting peoples time with circular arguments.

For years people have given you the same responses. Looks like the only person you don't have the balls to troll is BarakzaiAbdali.

Because only until he explains how nonsensical your posts are you just go on spamming threads. I think you do this for fun.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Bro, who is "us?" You and Azmal? Speak for yourself.

You are just an online troll wasting peoples time with circular arguments.

For years people have given you the same responses. Looks like the only person you don't have the balls to troll is BarakzaiAbdali.

Because only until he explains how nonsensical your posts are you just go on spamming threads. I think you do this for fun.

US as in everyone that's argued against the Taliban fan-boys on this page.

This includes, Firdousi, Randolph, myself and numerous others. You're not new here, most of us remember your arguments for the Taliban from your previous incarnations.. You aren't putting forth a new debate. This is the same debate strategy Taliban apologists have used since the 2000's. Trying to create this FALSE dichotomy that Taliban criticism means Pro-Government is horse crap. Yeah maybe Azmal bootlicks the government but Randolph, myself and Firdousi SURE Don't.

Otherwise why would I say "there are no good guys here". That's not "Pro-Government".

But the fact remains YOU asked me to "demonstrate" something that is PLAINLY obvious for ANYONE that's been to Afghanistan, Construction projects happening, dams being rebuilt, POwer Stations becoming operational ...that is UNTIL THE TALIBAN try sabotaging them, but that only makes the Taliban look worse. That doesn't mean it's all good, in fact some of it is bad and yes, there is cleptocracy going on and corruption. But even despite that there's stuff some stuff actually getting done ...and that's merit.

The Taliban aren't even capable of doing ANY of that. It's not simply an issue of "brain drain" or lack of resources. Look at where the Taliban's efforts concentrate on....they're more about military activities, Practically NONE of the money they manage to acquire has been used to have similar or parallel projects or trying to change the face of the Taliban into a social activist group like HAMAS have. And the Taliban and HAMAS both get external funding, yet Taliban still act like thugs and think threatening people means they have "support". Yep, the Govt does that stuff too. So yeah As Randolph said, corruption is more a description of Afghan society than something uniquely wrong with the Government.

Taliban could have easily reclaimed Afghanistan if they went that route; but because Taliban themselves are stooges whose sole function is to be manipulated for Pakistani Geopolitical strategy; they won't because their main goal is ensuring territory not liberation. Hence, you CHANGED Goal Posts when Azmal, correctly pointed out the things that were being built in Afghanistan. Which is what my "pot calls kettle back" comment was about. You're calling out Azmal out on something YOU'RE also doing in the very same process of back peddling and goal post changing.

However, let;'s agree that much of those construction projects are built to exploit Afghanistan, especially the excavation of Lapis Lazuli and Mineral Ores. BUT THE QUESTION YOU ASKED was ...WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT THEY"RE CAPABLE? ...Well there, that's what CAPABILITY means, having the ABILITY to do things. Ability shows competence. Ability and motivations are distinct variables.

I agree with Azmal about the currently existing Government facilitated construction projects, And I agree with you that the Government doesn't necessarily have Afghanistan's interests at heart with some of these projects. My reason for agreeing is totally different than being "pro Government" like Azmal is or Pro-Taliban like you are.

It has to do with thinking semi-rationally and acknowledging what is evidently true rather than being a Brainwashed drone pandering to whatever agenda or ideology. Like Apologists tend to do.

[Insight]

US as in everyone that's argued against the Taliban fan-boys on this page.

This includes, Firdousi, Randolph, myself and numerous others. You're not new here, most of us remember your arguments for the Taliban from your previous incarnations.. You aren't putting forth a new debate. This is the same debate strategy Taliban apologists have used since the 2000's. Trying to create this FALSE dichotomy that Taliban criticism means Pro-Government is horse crap. Yeah maybe Azmal bootlicks the government but Randolph, myself and Firdousi SURE Don't.

Otherwise why would I say "there are no good guys here". That's not "Pro-Government".

But the fact remains YOU asked me to "demonstrate" something that is PLAINLY obvious for ANYONE that's been to Afghanistan, Construction projects happening, dams being rebuilt, POwer Stations becoming operational ...that is UNTIL THE TALIBAN try sabotaging them, but that only makes the Taliban look worse. That doesn't mean it's all good, in fact some of it is bad and yes, there is cleptocracy going on and corruption. But even despite that there's stuff some stuff actually getting done ...and that's merit.

The Taliban aren't even capable of doing ANY of that. It's not simply an issue of "brain drain" or lack of resources. Look at where the Taliban's efforts concentrate on....they're more about military activities, Practically NONE of the money they manage to acquire has been used to have similar or parallel projects or trying to change the face of the Taliban into a social activist group like HAMAS have. And the Taliban and HAMAS both get external funding, yet Taliban still act like thugs and think threatening people means they have "support". Yep, the Govt does that stuff too. So yeah As Randolph said, corruption is more a description of Afghan society than something uniquely wrong with the Government.

Taliban could have easily reclaimed Afghanistan if they went that route; but because Taliban themselves are stooges whose sole function is to be manipulated for Pakistani Geopolitical strategy; they won't because their main goal is ensuring territory not liberation. Hence, you CHANGED Goal Posts when Azmal, correctly pointed out the things that were being built in Afghanistan. Which is what my "pot calls kettle back" comment was about. You're calling out Azmal out on something YOU'RE also doing in the very same process of back peddling and goal post changing.

However, let;'s agree that much of those construction projects are built to exploit Afghanistan, especially the excavation of Lapis Lazuli and Mineral Ores. BUT THE QUESTION YOU ASKED was ...WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT THEY"RE CAPABLE? ...Well there, that's what CAPABILITY means, having the ABILITY to do things. Ability shows competence. Ability and motivations are distinct variables.

I agree with Azmal about the currently existing Government facilitated construction projects, And I agree with you that the Government doesn't necessarily have Afghanistan's interests at heart with some of these projects. My reason for agreeing is totally different than being "pro Government" like Azmal is or Pro-Taliban like you are.

It has to do with thinking semi-rationally and acknowledging what is evidently true rather than being a Brainwashed drone pandering to whatever agenda or ideology. Like Apologists tend to do.

So me asking you questions which you finally have answered makes me Pro-Taliban?

Give me examples of the development and construction by Pro-War Kabul regime that you have mentioned otherwise its the same old empty slogans from you.

[Firdousi]

US as in everyone that's argued against the Taliban fan-boys on this page.

This includes, Firdousi, Randolph, myself and numerous others. You're not new here, most of us remember your arguments for the Taliban from your previous incarnations.. You aren't putting forth a new debate. This is the same debate strategy Taliban apologists have used since the 2000's. Trying to create this FALSE dichotomy that Taliban criticism means Pro-Government is horse crap. Yeah maybe Azmal bootlicks the government but Randolph, myself and Firdousi SURE Don't.

Otherwise why would I say "there are no good guys here". That's not "Pro-Government".

But the fact remains YOU asked me to "demonstrate" something that is PLAINLY obvious for ANYONE that's been to Afghanistan, Construction projects happening, dams being rebuilt, POwer Stations becoming operational ...that is UNTIL THE TALIBAN try sabotaging them, but that only makes the Taliban look worse. That doesn't mean it's all good, in fact some of it is bad and yes, there is cleptocracy going on and corruption. But even despite that there's stuff some stuff actually getting done ...and that's merit.

The Taliban aren't even capable of doing ANY of that. It's not simply an issue of "brain drain" or lack of resources. Look at where the Taliban's efforts concentrate on....they're more about military activities, Practically NONE of the money they manage to acquire has been used to have similar or parallel projects or trying to change the face of the Taliban into a social activist group like HAMAS have. And the Taliban and HAMAS both get external funding, yet Taliban still act like thugs and think threatening people means they have "support". Yep, the Govt does that stuff too. So yeah As Randolph said, corruption is more a description of Afghan society than something uniquely wrong with the Government.

Taliban could have easily reclaimed Afghanistan if they went that route; but because Taliban themselves are stooges whose sole function is to be manipulated for Pakistani Geopolitical strategy; they won't because their main goal is ensuring territory not liberation. Hence, you CHANGED Goal Posts when Azmal, correctly pointed out the things that were being built in Afghanistan. Which is what my "pot calls kettle back" comment was about. You're calling out Azmal out on something YOU'RE also doing in the very same process of back peddling and goal post changing.

However, let;'s agree that much of those construction projects are built to exploit Afghanistan, especially the excavation of Lapis Lazuli and Mineral Ores. BUT THE QUESTION YOU ASKED was ...WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT THEY"RE CAPABLE? ...Well there, that's what CAPABILITY means, having the ABILITY to do things. Ability shows competence. Ability and motivations are distinct variables.

I agree with Azmal about the currently existing Government facilitated construction projects, And I agree with you that the Government doesn't necessarily have Afghanistan's interests at heart with some of these projects. My reason for agreeing is totally different than being "pro Government" like Azmal is or Pro-Taliban like you are.

It has to do with thinking semi-rationally and acknowledging what is evidently true rather than being a Brainwashed drone pandering to whatever agenda or ideology. Like Apologists tend to do.

Brother, you are making a mistake now. You are trying to hold a reasonable debate with a brainwashed Paki. He does not care about facts. He is not willing to debate in a civil way. He just wants the Taliban win because he believes that will destroy Afghanistan and benefit its own s*itty genocidal failed state.

[Firdousi]

An occupation regime is a puppet regime. Other then discussing how far and to what angle they bend over, there is nothing really else of substance to the Kabul regime.

Ghani/Karzai/Abdullah can't even stop the US and Trump from talking to the Taliban. Like a puppet,they stop protesting about the US-Taliban negotiations when they are told to. Thats a puppet.

You may keep assuming this war will go on forever "because Afghanistan is so strategically important to the US." There is a reason so many neocons hate Trump (Max Boot -a pro War hawk is an example)

What about Porkistan? You allowed the USA to bomb the hell out your own country and provided safe passage to NATO to support the Afghan puppet government. In exchange USA gave you money. Paki blood for American money. The Afg government might be a puppet but you Pakis are honorless prostitutes.