Obituary for Abdul Raziq

[Azmal]

Here in Kabul it is alleged Pakistani killer was Bacha of Kandahar governor and murder weapon is governor personal AK.
Honestly I have no seen any figure being admired by all ethnics as Raziq is after his dead. He has truly turn into national figure. This morning I went to bakery to get some bread, Raziq photo was hanging next to Doud khan, and Najib. I thought it was just me but majority of Afghans hate Pakistan.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

What does accepting the Durrand Line have to do with whether or not someone is Afghan? This is 2018 not 2007, This nationalist "No True Scotsman" doctrine is just a narrative they manufactured, not a defining quality of reality. Some more sophistication please.

And cut this conspiracy theorist stuff. Talibs are ignorant fools, they probably didn't even realize who Gen. Miller was.

Afghanistan's been having elections for nearly 20 years now. None of them have had any adverse affects Afghanistan's enemies or allies because every election is rigged to serve the historical power inequities of the region.

[Firdousi]

He is a paki, so is this Abdali. A while ago he said Afghans should accept Durrad line. I called him out. Abadli is Paki Pathan, he lives in west but desire for talib rule. It is conflict of interest, it is about daal chawal for these guys. They will use some article to justify paki interest but call the rest propaganda.
Raziq’s killing was mesterious, here are some facts:
the killer was carrying governors personal Kalakof. During meeting Afghans bodyguards were not allowed yet the killer was. Why is governor only shot in legs? Why it took a good few days for NETO to admit an American official was hurt?
Gen Miller say he was not the target and there are photo a few min before attack that shows killer was right behind Gen miller. Why was a top NETO Gen not the target? In less the a week Jabbar Qarraman and Raziq were murder and mullah Baradar is set free by Pakis.
The good news more then 4 million Afghans have voted in election this is clear slap in stinky pakis and their proxy Taliban face.

Afghanistan and Afghans have already accepted the Durrand Line. Its only few deluded nationalists monkeys like yourself who still beating a dead horse.

Nobody cares about elections. They are rigged. Fake. The outcome will influenced by American desires and interests. Both the government and the Taliban are disgusting. But the government is still better than Taliban cavemen.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Just to add one thing I have NO doubt in my mind that Abdul Raziq was a wretched and immoral character and even the claim that he "brought stability" is highly suspect.

But that's exactly the problem with the Afghan consciousness, Our perceptions of the world and its contents are largely just mythologies that are pushed to support whatever factions that ever came onto the scene vying for power. We Glorify and Extol some people as long as their actions support that agenda and villainize others if they're in conflict, irregardless of whether or not their actions were legitimate, ethical or even beneficial.

This is why Posters of Russian Cuck Najib are all over Kabul, why Dostum is still roaming free, why Zahir Shah is called "Baba-e-Millat". Why Aman-cuck who flaunted his wife to impress the Krauts is considered a "freedom fighter".

Lot of Abdul Raziq's critics are Taliban supporters or in the very least, Apologists. This idea that they're "just reacting" can be easily debunked by highlighting instances where Taliban were wholly or primarily the aggressor or went far beyond what is necessary to "react". (did they REALLY need to massacre a bunch of Hazaras?!?!).

Since the Taliban have had a track record of vicious crimes targeting unarmed civilians and engaging in brutal acts of torture(which is against Shari'ah, but I digress), it gives the impression that criticism against Abdul Khaliq isn't really about ethics or morality, but rather he was serving a competing power interest. From the Taliban end, everything is fine as long as they're the ones in power. If Abdul Raziq was a Taliban minister, every apologist would white wash his crimes as "just a reaction"

And it's this lack of consistency and moral even handedness is why men like Abdul Raziq can even come to power in Afghanistan to do the things that they do.

Abdul Raziq much like the Taliban are a reflection of the lack of moral integrity that pervades Afghan society in general.

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[Azmal]

True to form, your logic remains gay. With every passing year you get dumber and dumber. Nearly a decade ago I told you we would be where we are now and you were jumping around like a monkey in heat claiming that Afghanistan would be a liberal democracy where everyone would be bra burning and aborting and the mosques would be empty.


Let's remind readers of who you are:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-/46504-catch-persiofascist.html

aka not a Pashtun, cannot even spell the common variants of the word and confused the word for dog with spaag.

Your conspiracy theories are the most idiotic part. Do people in your camp really think the world is that dumb? There have been shot US generals before and one was shot:

Harold J. Greene - Wikipedia



Let me guess - the conspiracy involved there was that Greene was secretly a Pashtun named Ahmad who held the keys to usurping Pakistani nuclear missiles and Pakistanis figured it out?

In another 10 years you will be 50 and still saying the same stupid crap and the government in Kabul will in no way reflect a liberal atheistic democracy.

You are a paki bitch who glorify suicide bombers. You live in west and enjoy liberal democracy and yet wish for Afghans to remain locked in Stone Age. As I said it is all about daal chawal for you two...loyal to punjo then punjos themselves. The killing of Raziq still remains mystery, in addition to facts I mention on my pervious post...there was initial news of Kandahar governor being killing reported by both BBC and VOA.


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Let’s see how far the Parliment will go, from my experience People are furious and want answer. I have never seen Afghans this United I’m support of anyone.

[Azmal]

What does accepting the Durrand Line have to do with whether or not someone is Afghan? This is 2018 not 2007, This nationalist "No True Scotsman" doctrine is just a narrative they manufactured, not a defining quality of reality. Some more sophistication please.

And cut this conspiracy theorist stuff. Talibs are ignorant fools, they probably didn't even realize who Gen. Miller was.

Afghanistan's been having elections for nearly 20 years now. None of them have had any adverse affects Afghanistan's enemies or allies because every election is rigged to serve the historical power inequities of the region.

Durand line is a matter of life and death for us Pashtuns, it will determine if we will remain divided, landlocked, weak and thus continue to be at mercy of forward policy of British Raj-which pakis continues uninterrupted for last 70 years. Moreover what interest we had in outpost like Moscow if it was not for greatest injustice south of our border.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Durand line is a matter of life and death for us Pashtuns, it will determine if we will remain divided, landlocked, weak and thus continue to be at mercy of forward policy of British Raj-which pakis continues uninterrupted for last 70 years. Moreover what interest we had in outpost like Moscow if it was not for greatest injustice south of our border.

Uh no it's not, this is the same tripe we've been hearing for decades from the nationalists, but same Natiionalists want to sell Mineral resource rights to America or Britain to become the New Colony of these countries. This is the 21st century. The wolrd is gradually shifting to a more intellectual/technological economy. Yeah sure having a port would be great, but many countries without a port are having good economies.

There are other alliances we can make if we need access to ports.


If you really cared about Afghnaistan's future start building up Afghanistan's technically skilled work force.

[Azmal]

Just to add one thing I have NO doubt in my mind that Abdul Raziq was a wretched and immoral character and even the claim that he "brought stability" is highly suspect.

But that's exactly the problem with the Afghan consciousness, Our perceptions of the world and its contents are largely just mythologies that are pushed to support whatever factions that ever came onto the scene vying for power. We Glorify and Extol some people as long as their actions support that agenda and villainize others if they're in conflict, irregardless of whether or not their actions were legitimate, ethical or even beneficial.

This is why Posters of Russian Cuck Najib are all over Kabul, why Dostum is still roaming free, why Zahir Shah is called "Baba-e-Millat". Why Aman-cuck who flaunted his wife to impress the Krauts is considered a "freedom fighter".

Lot of Abdul Raziq's critics are Taliban supporters or in the very least, Apologists. This idea that they're "just reacting" can be easily debunked by highlighting instances where Taliban were wholly or primarily the aggressor or went far beyond what is necessary to "react". (did they REALLY need to massacre a bunch of Hazaras?!?!).

Since the Taliban have had a track record of vicious crimes targeting unarmed civilians and engaging in brutal acts of torture(which is against Shari'ah, but I digress), it gives the impression that criticism against Abdul Khaliq isn't really about ethics or morality, but rather he was serving a competing power interest. From the Taliban end, everything is fine as long as they're the ones in power. If Abdul Raziq was a Taliban minister, every apologist would white wash his crimes as "just a reaction"

And it's this lack of consistency and moral even handedness is why men like Abdul Raziq can even come to power in Afghanistan to do the things that they do.

Abdul Raziq much like the Taliban are a reflection of the lack of moral integrity that pervades Afghan society in general.

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Ibliz, i agree with most of what you say but let’s not forget you are born and raised in liberal democracy, you were expose to reason and you made a choice to be religious. You never been to Afghanistan and don’t know the abuse and oppression people suffer in the name of religion. Before you can judge shah Amanullan you must experience living under Afghan mullah...these two hypocrite pakis girls will seem like mother Treasa. You will hate religion, it is not the loving reason based Islam but harsh, dry and full of aggressive/oppression. This is why in Kabul more then half million people be converted to Christianity. This is no joke people are tired of ractum bombers.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Ibliz, i agree with most of what you say but let’s not forget you are born and raised in liberal democracy, you were expose to reason and you made a choice to be religious. You never been to Afghanistan and don’t know the abuse and oppression people suffer in the name of religion. Before you can judge shah Amanullan you must experience living under Afghan mullah...these two hypocrite pakis girls will seem like mother Treasa. You will hate religion, it is not the loving reason based Islam but harsh, dry and full of aggressive/oppression. This is why in Kabul more then half million people be converted to Christianity. This is no joke people are tired of ractum bombers.

I don't know anything about Kabul people converting to Christianity, and maybe you're right about the Modern Era, but if they converted because Taliban psychopaths, they would have converted also because Zahir Shah being a lazy incompetent leader or because Najib, this would have been inevitable because all these leaders were concerned about their power interests more than anything and didn't care much about social integrity. The perfect setting for "AID Workers" to come to start "preaching" the Gospel. If these people find more peace in Christianity, then so be it. I can't control their destiny.

Aman wasn't the heroic leader some people want to make him out to be. In fact none of our leaders were heroic. This is just stuff our "Kaka" and "Baba" jans have fed us. He wasn't up against Pakistani Proxy Terrorists or Saudi Funded Sheikhs, The largest religious institutions were Sufi Brotherhoods during his time. If Afghanistan was harsh it was because tribal societies tend to be harsh. And Aman was also harsh, he was involved in many massacres of both Pashtun and Non-Pashtuns. He may not have been a British puppet, but he wanted to be a Kraut-puppet, he even paraded his wife like a show poodle in Berlin to impress them. Even if his intentions were to modernize Afghanistan, had nothing to do with making Afghanistan an independent state, he was willing to let Afghanistan become the springboard for German hegemony in Asia.

The heroism that's attributed to these types of men fall apart when put under a critical lens.

[Traveller]

This is why in Kabul more then half million people be converted to Christianity.

Lmao that's more than one tenth of the city's population. If this was true, everyone would be talking about it, but you're the first and only person I've heard this from which leads me to believe that you are either lying or seriously deluded. Moral of the story is to stop pulling stuff out of your a**.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Lmao that's more than one tenth of the city's population. If this was true, everyone would be talking about it, but you're the first and only person I've heard this from which leads me to believe that you are either lying or seriously deluded. Moral of the story is to stop pulling stuff out of your a**.

Calm down, I think he's just making hyperbole ...and why are you upset?!!?!?!?! he's talking about Kabul, not some place in Pakstan.

[Traveller]

Calm down, I think he's just making hyperbole ...and why are you upset?!!?!?!?! he's talking about Kabul, not some place in Pakstan.

Didn't seem like hyperbole to me. At the very least, he was serious about people converting in Christianity and he exagerrated the number. And people saying faulty things about any place in the world is my business, not just in Pakistan; Truth doesn't have international boundaries. Plus, being Pashtun I feel a strong connection to Kabul and other parts of Afghanistan, in many ways a stronger connection than many parts of Pakistan.

[Insight]

Ibliz, i agree with most of what you say but let’s not forget you are born and raised in liberal democracy, you were expose to reason and you made a choice to be religious. You never been to Afghanistan and don’t know the abuse and oppression people suffer in the name of religion. Before you can judge shah Amanullan you must experience living under Afghan mullah...these two hypocrite pakis girls will seem like mother Treasa. You will hate religion, it is not the loving reason based Islam but harsh, dry and full of aggressive/oppression. This is why in Kabul more then half million people be converted to Christianity. This is no joke people are tired of ractum bombers.

Where is your proof that half a million people became Christian in Kabul? Did you become Christian?

Stop making outlandish statements without any sources. You keep doing it. Back your claims up, all your claims

[Insight]

Ibliz, i agree with most of what you say but let’s not forget you are born and raised in liberal democracy, you were expose to reason and you made a choice to be religious. You never been to Afghanistan and don’t know the abuse and oppression people suffer in the name of religion. Before you can judge shah Amanullan you must experience living under Afghan mullah...these two hypocrite pakis girls will seem like mother Treasa. You will hate religion, it is not the loving reason based Islam but harsh, dry and full of aggressive/oppression. This is why in Kabul more then half million people be converted to Christianity. This is no joke people are tired of ractum bombers.

By the way, you state that you are in Kabul. You do know that Admin Khan or a Mod can confirm the validity of that claim by checking your IP address?

You were stating earlier that your internet signal was weak as if to support your claim that you are in Kabul. m not buying that

[khushal]

Lot of Abdul Raziq's critics are Taliban supporters or in the very least, Apologists. This idea that they're "just reacting" can be easily debunked by highlighting instances where Taliban were wholly or primarily the aggressor or went far beyond what is necessary to "react". (did they REALLY need to massacre a bunch of Hazaras?!?!).

We've already had this discussion. First of all, the Taliban is not a cohesive group with no central authority. All sorts of people fly the white flag that have different reasons to grab their guns, some are kidnap for ransom criminals, others are drug dealers, others hijack trucks, others setup posts on roads and collect taxes from passers.



In Afghansitan, Criminals run the show. You have guys that fly the white flag kidnapping people for ransom. Some join them because they have a badi and they need support or protection from their rival who is with the ANA. People join the ANA to get some sort of leverage over their rival which forces their rival to join the guys that fly the white flag. All these things happen because the Afghan gov is a fraud, its fake and the Afghan gov is run by criminals. They neither can control the guys that fly the white flag and neither the guys that use ANA leverage to crush their rival. On top of that there are private militias that are funded by the CIA and other funded by the ISI. A bunch of gangs roaming around freely because the Afghan gov is fake and is more like a mafia than a real gov. These gangs are a symptom of a fake Afghan gov created by a foreign power intervention. I don't blame these gangs. If you lived there, you might be in one of them out of necessity.



If the US cant do its job of providing security for the people and control these gangs, then they should leave. This is international law and a natural law, that if you cant do your job, you resign or you should be fired. Its not about apologists, its about logic. I have been a member here since 2010, 8 years and I have been saying from the beginning that the Afghan gov wont succeed because looking at the evidence, that is the logical conclusion.



You on the other hand easily get fooled. I remember a militia was sprung up by the CIA who fought the Taliban and was saying they will fight the gov as well and you thought these were the true righteous people. hahahahaha. The afghans have two choices senior, its the mullah or its the Azmel types and you know the Azmel types cant fight. They can only deceive.