What do you guys think of a partition of Afghanistan?

[Ironhide]

Pakistanis? you hazaras are funny folks

I am not Hazara, Assumption is the mother of all F**k ups.. and it was a statement of facts..which is, like you afghans/afghanistanies (or whatever you call the nationality) can work with Tajiks/Farsiwans/Hazara similarly we Pakistani pashtuns, may have issues, but can work with ethnic groups here.. and most of us are pretty patriotic... so sorry to bust your bubble but that is just the reality.. i for one do want pashto as the official language and a language taught at schools etc... but i believe that struggle has to happens within the system in place at the national level

[UnknownUser]

I am not Hazara, Assumption is the mother of all F**k ups.. and it was a statement of facts..which is, like you afghans/afghanistanies (or whatever you call the nationality) can work with Tajiks/Farsiwans/Hazara similarly we Pakistani pashtuns, may have issues, but can work with ethnic groups here.. and most of us are pretty patriotic... so sorry to bust your bubble but that is just the reality.. i for one do want pashto as the official language and a language taught at schools etc... but i believe that struggle has to happens within the system in place at the national level

Pakiji, you are as much pakhtun as my dog is a horse.

Stink of curry can be smelled even from your desperate words.

99% members on this forum are pakijis pretending to be something they will never be. Lmao

[UnknownUser]

this weak admin of this forum hording here this parsiwan **** discusting how is that anymore a pashtunforum these parsiwan rats worming around here promoting their shia iranian nonsense and we have to accept that? where the bullet to wipe these parsiwans out from this forum yara. shame yourself admin khan

Pakhton I could have been the best buddy of your life. How can you talk bad about me like that?

I have always said I love you man.

[UnknownUser]

Yes that's right much of the communities and citites in Afghanistan are influenced by Persian culture, some more than others and a few are historically Iranian we all know that. But that isnt the issue.

Uzbeks, Hazaras and Turkmens of Afghanistan have their own cultures and histories, which are not Persian. I know that some Hazaras try to think of themselves somehow as 'Persian', but they're not and they are fooling no one but themselves.

Tajiks are an Iranian or Persianate whatever you want to call it people historically and culturally. But i think it is laughable and sad at the same time when people try to apply that 'Persian' label onto Hazaras and Uzbeks too (sad when Hazaras try to do that themselves).

Speaking about Afghanistan in terms of a Persian zone and a Pashtun zone is nonsense unless you are broadly talking only about language. It does not work like that when talking about culture, race and history though.

How did this pakiji become an authority on who is who and who belongs where?

Its matters you have no involvement in pakiji. Stick to making fun of pakis or dravidians.

[khushal]

Ask an American what they think about the partition of America.

[Daryeh]

I would like to stay as one country but how can that be feasible.

Afghanistan is based on ethnicity - it is the foundational identity of the country - so long as this is the case, Pashtunism is important. Because such a country that prioritises Pashtuns makes no sense when half of the Pashtun territory and most Pashtuns are in Pakistan. Pakistan is a direct threat to Afghanistan's Pashtun identity.

So the goal for Afghan Pashtuns, including those at senior level of government, has and always will be eventual reunification with the western parts of Pakistan, or at least an open EU-style border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Pakistan has and will continue to put up fierce resistance against separation of western Pakistan - it is after all, half of their country - so what is likely to happen, eventually, once Afghan Pashtuns realize that Pakistan is going nowhere, is the second option: a formalised open border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. In other words, greater Pakistan. This was already suggested by the current Pashtun PM of Pakistan and received a warm welcome from Afghan Pashtuns.

On the other hand non-Pashtuns have no interest in an open border with Pakistan or joining the terrorist havens of Peshawar or Quetta who have unleashed a decade of violence onto Afghanistan via their Islamist militia groups. Even the fact that they have been dragged into these problems on a global stage is humiliating.

So what can they do at this point. I don't want partition but how can I blame those that call for it? They are so fed up this hopeless situation.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I would like to stay as one country but how can that be feasible.

Afghanistan is based on ethnicity - it is the foundational identity of the country - so long as this is the case, Pashtunism is important. Because such a country that prioritises Pashtuns makes no sense when half of the Pashtun territory and most Pashtuns are in Pakistan. Pakistan is a direct threat to Afghanistan's Pashtun identity.

So the goal for Afghan Pashtuns, including those at senior level of government, has and always will be eventual reunification with the western parts of Pakistan, or at least an open EU-style border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Pakistan has and will continue to put up fierce resistance against separation of western Pakistan - it is after all, half of their country - so what is likely to happen, eventually, once Afghan Pashtuns realize that Pakistan is going nowhere, is the second option: a formalised open border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. In other words, greater Pakistan. This was already suggested by the current Pashtun PM of Pakistan and received a warm welcome from Afghan Pashtuns.

On the other hand non-Pashtuns have no interest in an open border with Pakistan or joining the terrorist havens of Peshawar or Quetta who have unleashed a decade of violence onto Afghanistan via their Islamist militia groups. Even the fact that they have been dragged into these problems on a global stage is humiliating.

So what can they do at this point. I don't want partition but how can I blame those that call for it? They are so fed up this hopeless situation.

I actually think at this stage, reunification is the wrong way to go, a better route is having strong cultural and social ties with Pashtun regions of Pakistan to offset the Program of Indification of the Pashtuns of the area. Working together to suppress radicals should be something we make a grassroots effort across both borders since we know that the governments are either incompetent and/or engaged in encouraging it.

[Daryeh]

I actually think at this stage, reunification is the wrong way to go, a better route is having strong cultural and social ties with Pashtun regions of Pakistan to offset the Program of Indification of the Pashtuns of the area. Working together to suppress radicals should be something we make a grassroots effort across both borders since we know that the governments are either incompetent and/or engaged in encouraging it.

With all due respect, your comment illustrates the problem: Afghan Pashtuns (I'm assuming you are one - sorry if I am wrong) prioritise Pakistani Pashtuns before citizens of Afghanistan.

Personally I'm more alarmed at the indification of Afghanistan than indification of what is essentially an Indian country. South eastern Afghans are just as influenced by Indian/Pakistani culture as Pakistani Pashtuns, so what help can they offer to Pakistani Pashtuns. Strengthening cultural and social ties with Pashtuns in Pakistan hasn't made them more Afghan, it's just made Afghans more Pakistani. For example, cricket as a national obsession or the adoption of Deobandi Islam - can be traced to the interaction between Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns.

Moreover, it's Afghan Pashtuns who go to western Pakistan to study or work, and the cultural powerhouse of Pashtun culture is Peshawar, not any city in Afghanistan. So right now Afghanistan is in no position to act as a cultural or social role model for other people. We can help ourselves before helping others. People would be naturally inclined towards a developed, independent and prosperous nation that is reliant on itself and not other countries or ethnic groups across the border for validation of identity.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

With all due respect, your comment illustrates the problem: Afghan Pashtuns (I'm assuming you are one - sorry if I am wrong) prioritise Pakistani Pashtuns before citizens of Afghanistan.

Personally I'm more alarmed at the indification of Afghanistan than indification of what is essentially an Indian country. South eastern Afghans are just as influenced by Indian/Pakistani culture as Pakistani Pashtuns, so what help can they offer to Pakistani Pashtuns. Strengthening cultural and social ties with Pashtuns in Pakistan hasn't made them more Afghan, it's just made Afghans more Pakistani. For example, cricket as a national obsession or the adoption of Deobandi Islam - can be traced to the interaction between Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns.

Moreover, it's Afghan Pashtuns who go to western Pakistan to study or work, and the cultural powerhouse of Pashtun culture is Peshawar, not any city in Afghanistan. So right now Afghanistan is in no position to act as a cultural or social role model for other people. We can help ourselves before helping others. People would be naturally inclined towards a developed, independent and prosperous nation that is reliant on itself and not other countries or ethnic groups across the border for validation of identity.

I don't see how you perceive this, having connections to your kin does not equate to not prioritizing your nation. In much the same way that we celebrate Nawruz and enjoy historically Persian customs in Afghanistan, we also want to cultivate our own heritage as far as Pashtun cultural and social vestiges.. You may have a legitimate point about cricket and Deobandism, but Afghans, whether Pashtun or Parsiwan, have been in making sure an effective counter to those things. A similar argument can be made about the influence of Contemporary Persian Imitation Western Pop culture has infiltrated Kabul city and other places. We are not however discouraging cultural relationships with Iran that can be healthy. Instead of trying to throw the baby out with the bath water, the most effective strategy is channel and sensibily direct things.

If you can't work towards that solution; then your issue isn't fear of Terrorism or extremism, it's just resentment of Pashtuns, but with a pretext of legitimacy.