Identity Politics in Afghanistan: Nation-State or State-Nation?

[Akbar]

You need a minimum IQ of 90 in order to partake in this thread, buddy lol

Unfortunately for you my IQ Is way higher than that so I will leave you flathead low IQ tajokes to it.

Khar asani

[UnknownUser]

Afghanistan, as the name itself proves, its an ethno-state. But since its also a failed state, it will never really become functional. Its ethnonationalist nature fuels its failed nature. Its an endless process. This also happens to a lesser degree in Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, etc.

Religion (values) are strong enough to unite. Most of the "original caliphates" stood for centuries, more than any secular democracy. Also religion is an universal force unlike nationalism which is extremely divisive and based on bigotry.

At the end of the day we need to realize that all political systems are doomed to fail and collapse eventually. Its the natural order. Human beings, societies, nations and civs, are born, rise, fall and eventually die. No matter what, human beings jsut can not admit that they will eventually perish and become dust into history.

Caliphates were arguably ethno-states or nation-state as well, Arab dominance over non-Arabs. That alone made sure it would always collapse sooner or later.

Not disagreeing with religion being useful as a unitarian force. A common Creator has potential to unite all, even different species across different galaxies.

[Akbar]

Indics and flatheaded khar asanis have same agenda.
Who would have thought😏

[UnknownUser]

Indics and flatheaded khar asanis have same agenda.
Who would have thought😏

You are genetically 20-50% Indic bro. Don't be a selfhater.

I wish to recreate Greater India.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I've never heard a Pashtun rejecting him.
Again you are making things up brother.
Some other monarchies maybe, such as zahir Shah,Shah shuja, and many other rulers such as Karzai and ghani.

I never said it's common, people were brainwashed by the Durranis for centuries but if we look at history he had questionable character

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Btw firdawoosi is not a Muslim he said it himself.
Than he switched to pretending being Muslim so that what he says gets more legitimacy.

How do you know what''s in his heart?

[Firdousi]

Caliphates were arguably ethno-states or nation-state as well, Arab dominance over non-Arabs. That alone made sure it would always collapse sooner or later.

Not disagreeing with religion being useful as a unitarian force. A common Creator has potential to unite all, even different species across different galaxies.

That might be true for the Umayyad Caliphate which was Arab-centric an extremely biased and discriminatory toward non Arabs and non Muslims. Thats why there was a revolution started in eastern Iranian lands and led by non Arab forces of Abu Muslim Khorasani. Abbasids changed everything. They moved and founded their capital to Iraq, closer to Iranian influence. They started marrying Iranian women off. They even adopted this absurd Sassanian practice of "divinizing the king" and so on. Non Arabs became the main human force of the empire.

Same thing happened to other Caliphates such as the Umayyad of Cordoba, the Fatimids and the Ottomans. All of them were multicultural, multireligious and multiethnic. So religion is indeed a powerful tool to unify people.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Caliphates were arguably ethno-states or nation-state as well, Arab dominance over non-Arabs. That alone made sure it would always collapse sooner or later.

Not disagreeing with religion being useful as a unitarian force. A common Creator has potential to unite all, even different species across different galaxies.

No, they indeed were not.

[Firdousi]

How do you know what''s in his heart?

Ignore, dude. It does not matter. Allah Almighty knows best.

[Azmal]

Afghanistan, as the name itself proves, its an ethno-state. But since its also a failed state, it will never really become functional. Its ethnonationalist nature fuels its failed nature. Its an endless process. This also happens to a lesser degree in Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, etc.

Religion (values) are strong enough to unite. Most of the "original caliphates" stood for centuries, more than any secular democracy. Also religion is an universal force unlike nationalism which is extremely divisive and based on bigotry.

At the end of the day we need to realize that all political systems are doomed to fail and collapse eventually. Its the natural order. Human beings, societies, nations and civs, are born, rise, fall and eventually die. No matter what, human beings jsut can not admit that they will eventually perish and become dust into history.

The problem is when son of a communist flat head like you trying to sound intelligent. You have no idea what the **** you are talking about.


"Only Pashtun leaders seem to consider Afghanistan a “nation-state."
(Contradiction of your own post since you as non-pashtun admit to Afghanistan being national state.

[Azmal]

These countries were all invented by the British. Thats why most Pashtuns are in Pakistan. One third in Afghanistan. Both were British colonies. Although Pakistan and us Indians have made somewhat functional countries though despite the ethnic diversity and are economically in the rise.

From an Indian pov, I Think Pashtuns of Afghanistan should join Pakistan. Pakistan Is a country in the rise. The Pakistani Pashtuns have a higher living standards than anyone in Afghanistan.

Hazara, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens are Central Asians through and through. None of those groups are tribal societies. Pashtuns have more in common with Punjabis in Pakistan who are also organized as a tribal society. I dont know what Pashtuns are doing with those groups honestly. You guys should just merge with Pakistan. Win win for everyone.

Creation of Pakistan was meant to keep the south and central Asian in continuous state of war...this is the reason Pakistan need terrorist organization in order to utilize power. The issue of Durand, Kashmir and China/India border is all meant to keep the fire burning.
India and Pakistan are not functioning states there are active hot secessionist movement that kills tens of people each months in both countries. Afghanistan had much functioning and strong state but the freaking commies turn us into battle ground of super power.
The problem is lack of identity of Paki state which need religious extremist in order to survive...specially for Pashtun. This is why Tablighi Jamahat has its HQ in Lahore near oldest brothel in region Hari Mandi but they are all active in Pashtuns land.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Afghanistan has to unite around Sunni Islam that is the only cure for ethnocentrism, that is the main unifying factor for 90% of Afghans.

[UnknownUser]

That might be true for the Umayyad Caliphate which was Arab-centric an extremely biased and discriminatory toward non Arabs and non Muslims. Thats why there was a revolution started in eastern Iranian lands and led by non Arab forces of Abu Muslim Khorasani. Abbasids changed everything. They moved and founded their capital to Iraq, closer to Iranian influence. They started marrying Iranian women off. They even adopted this absurd Sassanian practice of "divinizing the king" and so on. Non Arabs became the main human force of the empire.

Same thing happened to other Caliphates such as the Umayyad of Cordoba, the Fatimids and the Ottomans. All of them were multicultural, multireligious and multiethnic. So religion is indeed a powerful tool to unify people.

Sounds a lot cucky (favorite word of Iblis_Ifreetzai), specially considering the situation.

[UnknownUser]

What if all these countries British drew were all disolved and real ethno-states created, peacefully of course?

[UnknownUser]

No, they indeed were not.

they were giving each other flowers every morning. lol