'I Cheated On My Boyfriend With My Rapist'

[Firdousi]

of course, but it's rooted in the idea that women are legitimate targets for predation .....how would that even come into their mind? It's salient but it gets encouragement from somewhere.

Historically women and men had a "natural/biological alliance": men protected women and women gave men children. In the modern times, women refuse to marry men for protection. Instead of that, and despite all the "empowerment" mumbo jumbo, modern Western women prefer to marry the state for protection.

So no matter how much Western women claim to be free and individual, they are not. They are just stupid for they have replaced a physical man for an abstract state.. Bad deal if you ask me because males will be always around but sooner or later the state will collapse.. and then what?

Anyway I must say that I find this empowerment BS hilarious AF. I mean really you guys believe that modern women are in any way stronger than their grand-mothers? Joke of the century lmao

[Firdousi]

Once a dawoos will always stay a dawoos. I dont knwo why I even try to reply to retards like you. I really wonder sometimes how people like you manage to turn on the computer or even type.

Nobody likes you, bro.

[khushal]

Historically women and men had a "natural/biological alliance": men protected women and women gave men children. In the modern times, women refuse to marry men for protection. Instead of that, and despite all the "empowerment" mumbo jumbo, modern Western women prefer to marry the state for protection.

Women still want to get married. Its the men that are hesitant because they want a wife, not to be the wife. lol

[Azmal]

Historically women and men had a "natural/biological alliance": men protected women and women gave men children. In the modern times, women refuse to marry men for protection. Instead of that, and despite all the "empowerment" mumbo jumbo, modern Western women prefer to marry the state for protection.

So no matter how much Western women claim to be free and individual, they are not. They are just stupid for they have replaced a physical man for an abstract state.. Bad deal if you ask me because males will be always around but sooner or later the state will collapse.. and then what?

Anyway I must say that I find this empowerment BS hilarious AF. I mean really you guys believe that modern women are in any way stronger than their grand-mothers? Joke of the century lmao

If only you were muslim...just as if only your father were a communist.
You don't know what Islam is even if it sits in your lap and calls you mama. You just want to use Islam to belittle women since you feel threaten by them....just as in Afghanistan and region Islam is used to subject and enslave women...lock them in home under false perception of protection---yet the same Muslim will basic sell their daughter/sister with taking Wolwali/Toyana and would not care what how the husbands treats their daughter/sister(generally speaking.)

" The believers, men and women, are "Awliy," (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma`ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do);and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden). [ Surah 9:71]

Men and Women are helpers, supporter, friends and protectors of one another NOT men protector of women as your misogynistic mind is trying to claim here.


"Islam, the mercy of Allah, is for all of mankind and makes no preference to sex. Men and women have a calling and a place in nature. Neither has a greater value, nor is one of greater importance. Both are subject to Divine Retribution which is equal for the capacity of each. The Quran expounds upon this in multiple verses and exists as an illuminating miracle for those who reflect. "

[Azmal]

Women still want to get married. Its the men that are hesitant because they want a wife, not to be the wife. lol

Being the wife is subjective and depends on a man's education and family value...for someone from village if a man allow his wife to drive, go to school and choose to socialize with her female friends and other basic rights that Islam grants a woman is considered gholam e zan.

[Azmal]

Remind me of a story a Peshwari friend once told me... the custom in Peshawar has it when a guy gets married on first night the female relative brings shoes(chaplaq-chapliee) for guy to hit the wife with--this symbolize authority and superiority of man over his wife. This guy says when his sisters and mothers brought him shoes...he grab the shoes from their hands and throw it away...which made his mom to say "education makes a man beghirat."

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If only you were muslim...just as if only your father were a communist.
You don't know what Islam is even if it sits in your lap and calls you mama. You just want to use Islam to belittle women since you feel threaten by them....just as in Afghanistan and region Islam is used to subject and enslave women...lock them in home under false perception of protection---yet the same Muslim will basic sell their daughter/sister with taking Wolwali/Toyana and would not care what how the husbands treats their daughter/sister(generally speaking.)

" The believers, men and women, are "Awliy," (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma`ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do);and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden). [ Surah 9:71]

Men and Women are helpers, supporter, friends and protectors of one another NOT men protector of women as your misogynistic mind is trying to claim here.


"Islam, the mercy of Allah, is for all of mankind and makes no preference to sex. Men and women have a calling and a place in nature. Neither has a greater value, nor is one of greater importance. Both are subject to Divine Retribution which is equal for the capacity of each. The Quran expounds upon this in multiple verses and exists as an illuminating miracle for those who reflect. "

you and Firdousi just said the same exact thing.....lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Being the wife is subjective and depends on a man's education and family value...for someone from village if a man allow his wife to drive, go to school and choose to socialize with her female friends and other basic rights that Islam grants a woman is considered gholam e zan.

But we're talking about how "women's rights", at least in Western societies, has ended up fostering social imbalance and we currently see in Western society. Current Western social model is evidence exactly where not to go.

[khushal]

Being the wife is subjective and depends on a man's education and family value...for someone from village if a man allow his wife to drive, go to school and choose to socialize with her female friends and other basic rights that Islam grants a woman is considered gholam e zan.

I was talking about western men and women. Its the men in the West that are hesitant to marry because they get a bad deal. Its the men who dont want children. Many divorced men tell me that marriage in the West is designed to fail so why marry in the first place. People make jokes like "he is my future ex-husband or she is my future ex-wife." It was a comment about Firdousi saying women prefer to marry the state vs men for protection which is true to a point. Women prefer to use the State as leverage to be the dominant in the relationship which is why men dont want to get married.

We are not talking about transforming poor Afghan villages into a "Dawson Creek" fantasy.

[Firdousi]

If only you were muslim...just as if only your father were a communist.
You don't know what Islam is even if it sits in your lap and calls you mama. You just want to use Islam to belittle women since you feel threaten by them....just as in Afghanistan and region Islam is used to subject and enslave women...lock them in home under false perception of protection---yet the same Muslim will basic sell their daughter/sister with taking Wolwali/Toyana and would not care what how the husbands treats their daughter/sister(generally speaking.)

" The believers, men and women, are "Awliy," (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma`ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do);and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden). [ Surah 9:71]

Men and Women are helpers, supporter, friends and protectors of one another NOT men protector of women as your misogynistic mind is trying to claim here.


"Islam, the mercy of Allah, is for all of mankind and makes no preference to sex. Men and women have a calling and a place in nature. Neither has a greater value, nor is one of greater importance. Both are subject to Divine Retribution which is equal for the capacity of each. The Quran expounds upon this in multiple verses and exists as an illuminating miracle for those who reflect. "

I dont know why you are bringing my father into this. Once again you are proving to be a fake Pashtun: no real Pashtun would be so bighairat to target other people family, his nang and namoos.

I am not an aleem but I know the core values of my faith quite well. I am also trying to expand my knowledge about Islam. So please, dont lecture me about religion when you are a hardcore follower of a sectarian atheistic ideology called "nationalism".

Dera manana.

[Firdousi]

The thing is.. that all this "women empowerment", "women emancipation", "women rights" is not making women any safer nor happier. Instead of that I only see spoiled, miserable and irrational women crying 24/7 about how bad and evil men are. In a normal society women would be happy to have alpha men ready to defend their honor and physical integrity.

While pursuing this wet dream feminists have destroyed all the core Western values. We Afghans know very well what happen to societies when all the core values and foundations are eroded. Communists did this in our country and our society collapsed. In the West, leftists are doing the same social engineering and the outcome will be eventually the same. Low birth rates, hight abort and divorce rates, destruction of gender roles, emasculation of manhood,.. nothing good can come out of this. And ironically Westerners are so stupid that they believe all this is "progress" and "modernity". Its like they have decided to go insane together.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Afghanistan and the West can not be compared. We have been at war for 4 decades so oblivious all the moral and social values of our country have been eroded. The current sexual degeneracy in the West is the outcome of social engineering. Unlike Afghans who consider women harassment shameful and disgusting, in the West this behavior has been part of their own will. They despise it but at the same time the refuse to acknowledge that they brought it upon themselves.

It doesn't take me by surprise anyway. Feminism has striped women from their real attractive: motherhood. Once women are not considered honorable mothers, sisters or wife anymore, they just become sexual instruments for men. Women have lost all their value and its all feminism fault.

Still its pretty obvious there are many problem in the Islamic world regarding women. But I refuse to believe that those who are as sexual addicted as we are to take the "high ground" and lecture us. Introspection is necessary but I will never take Westerners "advice" seriously basically because they are not out of good will but rather arrogance, ignorance, malice and anti-Muslim bigotry.

While I definitely agree with you on some points, but I get the impression that you may perceive my post as somehow trying to Vindicate the Social Zeitgeist of Modern Western Societies.

I'm just saying we should be objective and realize that we have incredibly toxic patterns of behavior which are incredibly harmful, and we shouldn't decry examining such things as equivalent to subscribing to Western feminist paradihms. We should make a reasoned and sound analysis of these matters. The erasure of gender and gender norms is counter to our faculties and drives that have evolved over time, so any doctrine that encourages that is clearly counterproductive. But similarly humans need to be functional and interactive with their environment, yes including women, there's no reason to keep them stowed away for the same of some absurd and misled construct of piety or "ghairat".

I also agree that the social framework and climate of Western society with its bizarre inner contradictions just enables dysfunctional mindset on sexuality. They did bring it on themselves. It's the problem of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.