'I Cheated On My Boyfriend With My Rapist'

[Firdousi]

"I cheated on my boyfriend with my rapist"

[maneatinglizard]

Up to 25 percent of women will experience rape during university in the US.

They tell us our society is messed up. Meanwhile, they ignore the obvious signs that there are serious, systemic issues in Western societies.

[Firdousi]

They tell us our society is messed up. Meanwhile, they ignore the obvious signs that there are serious, systemic issues in Western societies.

Ironically Islamic countries have lower rates of rape than Western countries:

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I find quite hilarious when Westerners call Muslims rapist and sexually frustrated people. Come on, there is an entire Western sexual tourist industry. West has the biggest porn industry in the world. There are prostitutes everywhere. Society is 100% sexualized. Double standards are strong here.

[Khostai]

Ironically Islamic countries have lower rates of rape than Western countries:

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I find quite hilarious when Westerners call Muslims rapist and sexually frustrated people. Come on, there is an entire Western sexual tourist industry. West has the biggest porn industry in the world. There are prostitutes everywhere. Society is 100% sexualized. Double standards are strong here.

Becuase in Islamic societies most of the time the women is blamed and even killed for bringing dishonor to the family thats why a lot of the rape is not reported. Dont be a retard to think that rapes happen less in places like Afghanistan or any other muslim country.

And by the way what is more shoking that in most Islamic countries rapist are allowed to marry their victim to safe the honor of the women, how is that not messed up.

[khushal]

Becuase in Islamic societies most of the time the women is blamed and even killed for bringing dishonor to the family thats why a lot of the rape is not reported. Dont be a retard to think that rapes happen less in places like Afghanistan or any other muslim country.

And by the way what is more shoking that in most Islamic countries rapist are allowed to marry their victim to safe the honor of the women, how is that not messed up.

Is that what Najib told you or do you have a legitimate source?

[Firdousi]

Becuase in Islamic societies most of the time the women is blamed and even killed for bringing dishonor to the family thats why a lot of the rape is not reported. Dont be a retard to think that rapes happen less in places like Afghanistan or any other muslim country.

And by the way what is more shoking that in most Islamic countries rapist are allowed to marry their victim to safe the honor of the women, how is that not messed up.

Never said otherwise, bighairat. But claiming that Muslims are degenerate sexual frustrated rapist while having higher rape rates, a thriving sex tourism industry, pornography, child molesters and a sexualized societies where this kind of behavior is considered moral and progressive is hypocrite and stupid.

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Hope one day you leave behind this Uncle Tom syndrome of yours.

[Khostai]

Never said otherwise, bighairat. But claiming that Muslims are degenerate sexual frustrated rapist while having higher rape rates, a thriving sex tourism industry, pornography, child molesters and a sexualized societies where this kind of behavior is considered moral and progressive is hypocrite and stupid.

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Hope one day you leave behind this Uncle Tom syndrome of yours.

Once a dawoos will always stay a dawoos. I dont knwo why I even try to reply to retards like you. I really wonder sometimes how people like you manage to turn on the computer or even type.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Once a dawoos will always stay a dawoos. I dont knwo why I even try to reply to retards like you. I really wonder sometimes how people like you manage to turn on the computer or even type.

If Pashtuns were a soccer team we wouldn’t hesitate to trade you off the team so we could get Firdaws on the team. Firdaws is an honorable guy with very decent opinions. You on the other hand bring tons of shame to us and have some of the dumbest illogic anyone will ever encounter.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Even though Khostai took personal shots at me for completely unprovoked reasons in this thread.

I'm going to extend an olive branch. ....I actually agree with him. Sexual abuse and harassment are astromical in the Muslim world. The reason why we don't have any hard data on it is because

a.) Repercussions against women make them more likely to be silent.

b.) the Social Insitutions almost always disregard women's recourse to the justice system.

c.) Sexual abuse is most common at home and among families; though the level of sexual harassment in the the public domain such as at work would itself cause alarm.

If we had a proper study we can have a clear idea of its prevalence; but unndoubtedly its prevalence cannot be ignored. All the time I hear about women in Cairo being creeped on as they try to walk down the street. In Syria, women who are going to get Food and Medicine from UN Relief offices say that they get Propositioned for sexual favors. Saudis are known for traveling internationally to basically stalk out girls for sexual conquests and not taking no for an answer.

I used to think Afghans are "Ghairatmand" so they'd never do such a thing, but Afghan women constantly face sexual harassment and assault, especially in Urban areas. God knows what happens in rural ones. And Pakistan ...geez, do I even have to say ANYTHING? They're Known perverts. The reason why Pakistanis face such hatred abroad is precisely because it's very common for Pakistani males to be indecent and assault women.

I'm not trying to portray that Muslims are just frauds with no values; but our lack of interest in trying to confront these issues has lead to this unspoken about problem that's percolating beneath the surface. If we're going to use this as a "counterpoint" against the social decay of Western societies, we should at least make sure we're using our values for the right ends and making sure these types of people are dealt with. However, very little is done and it reflects poorly on us and reveals the contradictions we harbor.

Now Firdousi too is right; that even with all the resources put on women's issues in the West, Western social values have not been able to keep women safe. On the contrary it seems to encourage and facilitate this social climate where women are instruments for indulging vice in a culture that celebrates vices. Now a case can be made that these creepy perverts and sexual predators in the Muslim world are not a product of its values; but a product of the infiltration of globalization through the influence of Media and Movies. Baywatch used to come to sattelite TV in almost every Middle Eastern country even back in the 90's. Legions of desperate Tea-house and hooka cafe frequenters would religiously watch the show salivating over Pamela Anderson and fantasize about coming to the West to enjoy dalliances with Western women. I used to see these Tunisian men that would often loiter outside of Starbucks and they'd just sit their looking for a chance to flirt with the local college girls. Now while the flirting itself isn't my issue; it was just that they're lecherously searching for "easy prey" one guy had a conversation with me about this once and he remarked "I like blonds , I won't look at any other woman, unless she's blond", While personal preference is one thing, their motives were just to prey on girls. Tunisia is known for being pretty liberal as far as Muslim countries go, but even they have this problem.

But this proposes two important contentions. Firstly it demonstrates a case that Western social models encourage a lack of respect for women. But then secondly we can ask, why is a market for those types of representations even accepted or embraced by Societies and cultures that talk about "Sharaf" and "izzah" or 'ghairat" and "namous" in the first place? Wouldn't such a society have protested and shunned these things being broadcast? We can certainly talk about the serious underlying socioeconomic imbalances that make the climate ripe for this sort of social phenomena to appear. Some of it definitely derives from the extreme forms of conservatism that exist that make marriage and having marriageable relationships affordable. But then how do we explain when sexual abuses happen among family?

There was an Iraqi Shi'a woman who used to blog and she'd talk about how in her family her brothers perpretated sexual abuse on her and her sisters and her parents took a blind eye to it and that these types of abuse were common among her peers. There's a serious problem and we can't just bury our heads in the sand. We must stop pretending we have some "moral precedence" over the West just because our streets have women walking around in chadar. That's not enough.

[Azmal]

If Pashtuns were a soccer team we wouldn’t hesitate to trade you off the team so we could get Firdaws on the team. Firdaws is an honorable guy with very decent opinions. You on the other hand bring tons of shame to us and have some of the dumbest illogic anyone will ever encounter.

You should speak for yourself, remember each one of us here are representing ourselves only. The irony is how your view is in line with that of communist father of Firdaws...those that don't agree with you are labeled foreigners..while in reality the groups that you are diehard supporter are proxy/bitches of foreigners.

[Azmal]

Even though Khostai took personal shots at me for completely unprovoked reasons in this thread.

I'm going to extend an olive branch. ....I actually agree with him. Sexual abuse and harassment are astromical in the Muslim world. The reason why we don't have any hard data on it is because

a.) Repercussions against women make them more likely to be silent.

b.) the Social Insitutions almost always disregard women's recourse to the justice system.

c.) Sexual abuse is most common at home and among families; though the level of sexual harassment in the the public domain such as at work would itself cause alarm.

If we had a proper study we can have a clear idea of its prevalence; but unndoubtedly its prevalence cannot be ignored. All the time I hear about women in Cairo being creeped on as they try to walk down the street. In Syria, women who are going to get Food and Medicine from UN Relief offices say that they get Propositioned for sexual favors. Saudis are known for traveling internationally to basically stalk out girls for sexual conquests and not taking no for an answer.

I used to think Afghans are "Ghairatmand" so they'd never do such a thing, but Afghan women constantly face sexual harassment and assault, especially in Urban areas. God knows what happens in rural ones. And Pakistan ...geez, do I even have to say ANYTHING? They're Known perverts. The reason why Pakistanis face such hatred abroad is precisely because it's very common for Pakistani males to be indecent and assault women.

I'm not trying to portray that Muslims are just frauds with no values; but our lack of interest in trying to confront these issues has lead to this unspoken about problem that's percolating beneath the surface. If we're going to use this as a "counterpoint" against the social decay of Western societies, we should at least make sure we're using our values for the right ends and making sure these types of people are dealt with. However, very little is done and it reflects poorly on us and reveals the contradictions we harbor.

Now Firdousi too is right; that even with all the resources put on women's issues in the West, Western social values have not been able to keep women safe. On the contrary it seems to encourage and facilitate this social climate where women are instruments for indulging vice in a culture that celebrates vices. Now a case can be made that these creepy perverts and sexual predators in the Muslim world are not a product of its values; but a product of the infiltration of globalization through the influence of Media and Movies. Baywatch used to come to sattelite TV in almost every Middle Eastern country even back in the 90's. Legions of desperate Tea-house and hooka cafe frequenters would religiously watch the show salivating over Pamela Anderson and fantasize about coming to the West to enjoy dalliances with Western women. I used to see these Tunisian men that would often loiter outside of Starbucks and they'd just sit their looking for a chance to flirt with the local college girls. Now while the flirting itself isn't my issue; it was just that they're lecherously searching for "easy prey" one guy had a conversation with me about this once and he remarked "I like blonds , I won't look at any other woman, unless she's blond", While personal preference is one thing, their motives were just to prey on girls. Tunisia is known for being pretty liberal as far as Muslim countries go, but even they have this problem.

But this proposes two important contentions. Firstly it demonstrates a case that Western social models encourage a lack of respect for women. But then secondly we can ask, why is a market for those types of representations even accepted or embraced by Societies and cultures that talk about "Sharaf" and "izzah" or 'ghairat" and "namous" in the first place? Wouldn't such a society have protested and shunned these things being broadcast? We can certainly talk about the serious underlying socioeconomic imbalances that make the climate ripe for this sort of social phenomena to appear. Some of it definitely derives from the extreme forms of conservatism that exist that make marriage and having marriageable relationships affordable. But then how do we explain when sexual abuses happen among family?

There was an Iraqi Shi'a woman who used to blog and she'd talk about how in her family her brothers perpretated sexual abuse on her and her sisters and her parents took a blind eye to it and that these types of abuse were common among her peers. There's a serious problem and we can't just bury our heads in the sand. We must stop pretending we have some "moral precedence" over the West just because our streets have women walking around in chadar. That's not enough.

Good point Mahmood.



Muslim women speak out about sexual assault in Mecca | Middle East Eye

Madrassas allegedly 'infested' with sexual abuse of minors - The Express Tribune

[Azmal]

What I really hate about so called Islamist is their hypocrisy...no one dare to talk about sexual abuse in Madrassa, or generally in society. Worst they even threaten to blow up themselves and those that want to discuss these issues or want be more harsh against women...they literary preach to lock women inside home. These bird brains forget that in rule of laws, both rights and obligations move side by side. You get entitled to your rights (what you likes) if you perform your obligations (what you do not like or want). If you say 'no' you do not want to perform your obligations but you love to have your rights, you automatically get disqualified from your rights.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

This isn't about Islamist vs. Non-Islamist; it's about appearances vs. reality.


Th Tunisian men I spoke about were not Islamists; they were just predatory men looking to target young girls who they thought were embodients of characters on Baywatch or some American TV show they used to see in Tunisia.

There's underlying layers and factors involved here, it's a mix of distorted attitudes about morality and social expectations and the preoccupation with "appearances" of virtue rather than actual content of character.

But Firdousi is right, The Harvey Weinstein scandal and #MeToo movement is evidence that shows the failures of Liberalism and permissive societies in curbing sexual predatory behavior. but rather it's enabled it by retaining the view of women as instruments of gratification. Which isn't surprising because it's a culture that almost glorifies self indulgence and lack of restraint.

So it's not conservatism that's the issue, it's the salient attitude that women are disposable and expendible, that people are not accountable for their behavior; that morality isn't about content but appearances or displays.

This abstracts to both liberalists and extreme rigid conservatism alike.

[khushal]

In societies, its usually the weak that fall victim to such abuse or more so access to the weak and vulnerable.
In conservative societies, women are pretty much protected or secluded from men which does not mean it doesnt happen but it's usually young boys who are the main victims of sexual abuse.

In liberal societies, women, young boys and girls are victims of predators who are usually men. As long as the access is there, predators will take advantage which is why conservative societies usually tend to segragate women from men.

Also, Azmal is an idiot.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I don't know if we can honestly say women are protected in conservative societies either. There's a strange psychology I noticed among people from societies that claim to be conservative, and it's not necessarily unanimous or universal but it's prevalent.

It's the idea that if a woman isn't under guard.....then that naturally implies she's a valid target and that looking for the opportunity where a woman is accessible is a priority to strike. I'm not claiming here that this is what convservative values teach; but this is what many conservative societies haven't addressed.

Yes I agree, the ideal is that women should be safe guarded, but from who ? I'd imagine that a society where most of its members hold a certain sense of principles and values would naturally be averse from targeting women in any circumstance; even if she happened to be walking naked. Of course, this doesn't mean women should be given that license, but that the adherence to such values is so strong that such an event wouldn't make people look for an opportunity to indulge a vice.

This is what I meant, the focus in many of these societies is appearing virtuous NOT BEING Virtuous. That's what I feel is significant part of the landscape of the problem.

Liberalism; obviously, indulgence and gratification is the central themes, so it would be unsurprising to see people looking for ways to indulge. They have an alternate paradox. That they thought letting the reigns loose would make people no longer interested in vice ....no, it just groomed a society that is lured to vice. Strange how things work out.