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  • #91
    @khyaal: i know u think everythng every1 says except u is false but ill ask u to consider the two refrences from wikipedia, which i think is independant and neutral unuf.

    "Creation of Bangladesh and aftermath:[33][34] In the early 1970s the army of Pakistan prosecuted a bloody military crackdown in response to the Bangladesh independence movement.[35][36] Nearly 10 million refugees fled to India. The R&AW's Bangladesh operation began in early 1970 by sowing discord among the disgruntled population of Bangladesh (then called East Pakistan), suffering repression by the Pakistani political establishment. This led to the creation of the Mukti Bahini. RAW was responsible for supplying information and heavy ammunition to this organization. However within months of independence of Bangladesh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated at his residence. R&AW operatives claim that they had advance information about Mujib-ur-Rahman's assassination but Sheikh Mujib tragically ignored[6] R&AW's inputs. He was killed along with 40 members of his family. R&AW thus failed to prevent the assassination which led to the loss of a charismatic leader who had a soft corner for India after all they had done for his country's independence. However, R&AW has successfully thwarted plans of assassinating Sheikh Hasina Wazed, daughter of Mujibur Rahman, by Islamist extremists and the ISI."

    "Help to the Northern Alliance: After the rise of Pakistan and American backed Taliban in Afghanistan, India decided to side with the Northern Alliance and the Soviet Union[59] By 1996, R&AW had built a 25 bed military hospital[60] at the Farkhor Air Base.[61] This airport was used by the Aviation Research Centre, the reconnaissance arm of R&AW, to repair and operate the Northern Alliance's aerial support. This relationship was further cemented in the 2001 Afgan war. India supplied the Northern Alliance high altitude warfare equipment worth around $8–10 million.[62][63] R&AW was the first intelligence agency to determine the extent of the Kunduz airlift."

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    • #92
      @khyaal: i know u think everythng every1 says except u is false but ill ask u to consider the two refrences from wikipedia, which i think is independant and neutral unuf.

      "Creation of Bangladesh and aftermath:[33][34] In the early 1970s the army of Pakistan prosecuted a bloody military crackdown in response to the Bangladesh independence movement.[35][36] Nearly 10 million refugees fled to India. The R&AW's Bangladesh operation began in early 1970 by sowing discord among the disgruntled population of Bangladesh (then called East Pakistan), suffering repression by the Pakistani political establishment. This led to the creation of the Mukti Bahini. RAW was responsible for supplying information and heavy ammunition to this organization. However within months of independence of Bangladesh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated at his residence. R&AW operatives claim that they had advance information about Mujib-ur-Rahman's assassination but Sheikh Mujib tragically ignored[6] R&AW's inputs. He was killed along with 40 members of his family. R&AW thus failed to prevent the assassination which led to the loss of a charismatic leader who had a soft corner for India after all they had done for his country's independence. However, R&AW has successfully thwarted plans of assassinating Sheikh Hasina Wazed, daughter of Mujibur Rahman, by Islamist extremists and the ISI."

      "Help to the Northern Alliance: After the rise of Pakistan and American backed Taliban in Afghanistan, India decided to side with the Northern Alliance and the Soviet Union[59] By 1996, R&AW had built a 25 bed military hospital[60] at the Farkhor Air Base.[61] This airport was used by the Aviation Research Centre, the reconnaissance arm of R&AW, to repair and operate the Northern Alliance's aerial support. This relationship was further cemented in the 2001 Afgan war. India supplied the Northern Alliance high altitude warfare equipment worth around $8–10 million.[62][63] R&AW was the first intelligence agency to determine the extent of the Kunduz airlift."

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
        @khyaal: i know u think everythng every1 says except u is false but ill ask u to consider the two refrences from wikipedia, which i think is independant and neutral unuf.

        "Creation of Bangladesh and aftermath:[33][34] In the early 1970s the army of Pakistan prosecuted a bloody military crackdown in response to the Bangladesh independence movement.[35][36] Nearly 10 million refugees fled to India. The R&AW's Bangladesh operation began in early 1970 by sowing discord among the disgruntled population of Bangladesh (then called East Pakistan), suffering repression by the Pakistani political establishment. This led to the creation of the Mukti Bahini. RAW was responsible for supplying information and heavy ammunition to this organization. However within months of independence of Bangladesh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated at his residence. R&AW operatives claim that they had advance information about Mujib-ur-Rahman's assassination but Sheikh Mujib tragically ignored[6] R&AW's inputs. He was killed along with 40 members of his family. R&AW thus failed to prevent the assassination which led to the loss of a charismatic leader who had a soft corner for India after all they had done for his country's independence. However, R&AW has successfully thwarted plans of assassinating Sheikh Hasina Wazed, daughter of Mujibur Rahman, by Islamist extremists and the ISI."

        "Help to the Northern Alliance: After the rise of Pakistan and American backed Taliban in Afghanistan, India decided to side with the Northern Alliance and the Soviet Union[59] By 1996, R&AW had built a 25 bed military hospital[60] at the Farkhor Air Base.[61] This airport was used by the Aviation Research Centre, the reconnaissance arm of R&AW, to repair and operate the Northern Alliance's aerial support. This relationship was further cemented in the 2001 Afgan war. India supplied the Northern Alliance high altitude warfare equipment worth around $8–10 million.[62][63] R&AW was the first intelligence agency to determine the extent of the Kunduz airlift."
        Oh so that changes what the Rehman comission wrote? The massive rapes and deaths caused by operation searchlight. Seriously man this is the history of a state you are trying to defend. FAIL :-P

        Northern Alliance were terrible, but their head commander once was trained by Pakistan in the 1970s. Do you remember those days?
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        • #94
          how many times do i have to repeat that im not trying to defend anyone?? im only trying to tell u how someone from outside is trying to make us fight within ourselves.

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          • #95
            BLS,

            I am not picking and choosing. The history is such that the state has been turned into a mob state.
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
              how many times do i have to repeat that im not trying to defend anyone?? im only trying to tell u how someone from outside is trying to make us fight within ourselves.
              Well you are defending and you even tried to use paighour on your own. So as far as we see it, you are helping the outsiders. All you have done is blindly defend a state (did a miserable job in the process). We all can do that.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                BLS,

                I am not picking and choosing. The history is such that the state has been turned into a mob state.
                Actually you are, the finest examples are your two last posts. You overlooked a lot of things which I pointed out the biggest one (army).
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                • #98
                  BLS, what do you propose? Let us hear you out.
                  Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                  [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                  [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
                    Actually you are, the finest examples are your two last posts. You overlooked a lot of things which I pointed out the biggest one (army).

                    That is understood. However, the state is at the mercy of the clergy. BIG TIME.
                    Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                    [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                    [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                    • Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
                      @khyaal: i know u think everythng every1 says except u is false but ill ask u to consider the two refrences from wikipedia, which i think is independant and neutral unuf.

                      "Creation of Bangladesh and aftermath:[33][34] In the early 1970s the army of Pakistan prosecuted a bloody military crackdown in response to the Bangladesh independence movement.[35][36] Nearly 10 million refugees fled to India. The R&AW's Bangladesh operation began in early 1970 by sowing discord among the disgruntled population of Bangladesh (then called East Pakistan), suffering repression by the Pakistani political establishment. This led to the creation of the Mukti Bahini. RAW was responsible for supplying information and heavy ammunition to this organization. However within months of independence of Bangladesh Mujibur Rahman was assassinated at his residence. R&AW operatives claim that they had advance information about Mujib-ur-Rahman's assassination but Sheikh Mujib tragically ignored[6] R&AW's inputs. He was killed along with 40 members of his family. R&AW thus failed to prevent the assassination which led to the loss of a charismatic leader who had a soft corner for India after all they had done for his country's independence. However, R&AW has successfully thwarted plans of assassinating Sheikh Hasina Wazed, daughter of Mujibur Rahman, by Islamist extremists and the ISI."

                      "Help to the Northern Alliance: After the rise of Pakistan and American backed Taliban in Afghanistan, India decided to side with the Northern Alliance and the Soviet Union[59] By 1996, R&AW had built a 25 bed military hospital[60] at the Farkhor Air Base.[61] This airport was used by the Aviation Research Centre, the reconnaissance arm of R&AW, to repair and operate the Northern Alliance's aerial support. This relationship was further cemented in the 2001 Afgan war. India supplied the Northern Alliance high altitude warfare equipment worth around $8–10 million.[62][63] R&AW was the first intelligence agency to determine the extent of the Kunduz airlift."

                      Gullible! Why resort to wikipedia, we are not talking of some alien people. We have first hand witnesses who saw that fraud through their own eyes. It was even confessed By Kalsum Saifullah on the floor of assembly that she had cast five votes.

                      Forget about voting, just tell me why Pashtun assembly was deprived by the British of its right to vote just like other assmeblies, i.e., in Punjab, Sindh and Bengal ?

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                      • Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                        That is understood. However, the state is at the mercy of the clergy. BIG TIME.
                        Actually it isn't. The single biggest win the religious parties ever got was due to an understanding and propping up by General Musharraf. The last so-called religious generals were sidelined or fired during the shaking up of the armed forces post 9/11. The remainder of these demagogues are let go due to Pakistan's strategic depth policy against India. Nearly every religious group was either once propped up by the intel or still is. The ones that are biting the hand of the master is a whole different monster.
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                        • Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                          That is understood. However, the state is at the mercy of the clergy. BIG TIME.

                          This is a big big lie. Pakistan has always been at the mercy of Punjabi Army and its sister Intelligence agencies like ISI, MI etc, they can overthrow any Pakistani government.

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                          • ok man, u keep on thinking wot u wanna think. Its u who is working to make this map of CIA into reality not me. gudluck working for CIA.

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                            • Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
                              Actually it isn't. The single biggest win the religious parties ever got was due to an understanding and propping up by General Musharraf. The last so-called religious generals were sidelined or fired during the shaking up of the armed forces post 9/11. The remainder of these demagogues are let go due to Pakistan's strategic depth policy against India. Nearly every religious group was either once propped up by the intel or still is. The ones that are biting the hand of the master is a whole different monster.
                              I am not talking about political parties. I am talking about the influence the mullah have over the populace and how it is able to turn a peaceful society into a disorderly society very quickly.

                              Bottom line, I am not for Pakistan nor am I against it. I have no care. I don't live their. Those who do must choose their battles wisely. It the Pashtun want peace then they better start obeying Allah. It will take time but the fruits will be sweet.
                              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                              • Originally posted by Qazi Saad Yousafzai View Post
                                ok man, u keep on thinking wot u wanna think. Its u who is working to make this map of CIA into reality not me. gudluck working for CIA.

                                One map by an ex-army guy has you guys shaking lolzz. We are not asking for this map, since we are not going to give Herat away. The loy Afghanistan map is something else. BTW CIA la kho thaso malk ao milli urdu kaar kaee da khabarae agho wokaa kana...sawabee ba shae :-P/
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