The Prospects of Pakhtun Nationalism in Afghanistan's Politics

[khyaal]

@khyal: man it wrnt jst punjabis, it was everyone, its fault of entire pak, dnt jst target any1 man!

Who told you that it was the fault of entire Pakistan. Bengalis never complained against Pashtuns, Baloch or Sindhis. Nor Baloch today have any complaint against anyone except Punjab.

[Qazi Saad Yousafzai]

i believe that is due to RAW and CIA compaign that wanted different provinces to make different states based on racial basis and make punjab Jinnahpur(as CIA maps show). but i dont think ull accept that and i dont really have any evidence to prove it so lets just leve the discussion.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

ok, now answer the above question in the light of islam.

Your question is very complicated to answer. We would have to practically give a discourse on tafseer.

But to give you a taste: Islam has given us many teachings on how to treat one another and how to fair with one another. Today, Pakistan came into being under the guise of Islam. The Pashtun being Muslim, had rejected its creation without considering the ill-fate that the Muslims had in India. Also, the Muslim clergy of India rejected the creation of Pakistan. What a paradox!

As such, today, the clergy are running the show, the real purpose of Pakistan was never allowed to materialize. So many road blocks have been put in front of it. Neither the Pashtun have helped to establish Pakistan as a Muslim State neither have the clergy. The clergy have made Pakistan into a mob state and the Pashtun are crying foul every minute.

When the population does not care about their homeland, then it will only get corrupted. Today, we are seeing the poisonous fruits of the Pashtun reaction to the creation of Pakistan, and the lack of fear of God rule of the clergy over the populous of Pakistan.

As a Pashtun, I feel pain to see my brethren and sisters suffering. However, they have done it themselves. Now, instead of trying to call Pakistan home, they are reminiscing about the olden days. The Pashtun of Pakistan are suffering today, not because Pakistan was out to get them from the get go. No, not at all. They are suffering because they allowed Pakistan to be overtaken by mullahs. Had a proper secular government been running for the benefit of Muslims (which was Jinnah's main idea), then today, the Pashtun of Pakistan would have loved their new homeland and they could have also benefited their brothers across the border. In fact, Afghanistan could have also been a peaceful place and devoid of Islam terrorism.

The only left now is for us all to sit and reflect about our plight, and turn to Allah. For had we followed Islamic instructions in the first place, we would not been suffering today.

[khyaal]

i believe that is due to RAW and CIA compaign that wanted different provinces to make different states based on racial basis and make punjab Jinnahpur(as CIA maps show). but i dont think ull accept that and i dont really have any evidence to prove it so lets just leve the discussion.

I don't know any RAW or CIA, I know only my Pashtun national rights. Pashtun land in Pakistan is a British occupied territory and Pakistan being the successor and brainchild of the British retained that position knowing very well that the land's legitimate owner is Afghanistan and not Punjab/Pakistan.

Btw, by using fashionable words like RAW (research and analytic wing)and CIA (central intelligence agency) you can't succeed to give scholarly touch to your reply based on your complete lack of history. You even don't know the history of Pakistan.

[khyaal]

Your question is very complicated to answer. We would have to practically give a discourse on tafseer.

But to give you a taste: Islam has given us many teachings on how to treat one another and how to fair with one another. Today, Pakistan came into being under the guise of Islam. The Pashtun being Muslim, had rejected its creation without considering the ill-fate that the Muslims had in India. Also, the Muslim clergy of India rejected the creation of Pakistan. What a paradox!

As such, today, the clergy are running the show, the real purpose of Pakistan was never allowed to materialize. So many road blocks have been put in front of it. Neither the Pashtun have helped to establish Pakistan as a Muslim State neither have the clergy. The clergy have made Pakistan into a mob state and the Pashtun are crying foul every minute.

When the population does not care about their homeland, then it will only get corrupted. Today, we are seeing the poisonous fruits of the Pashtun reaction to the creation of Pakistan, and the lack of fear of God rule of the clergy over the populous of Pakistan.

As a Pashtun, I feel pain to see my brethren and sisters suffering. However, they have done it themselves. Now, instead of trying to call Pakistan home, they are reminiscing about the olden days. The Pashtun of Pakistan are suffering today, not because Pakistan was out to get them from the get go. No, not at all. They are suffering because they allowed Pakistan to be overtaken by mullahs. Had a proper secular government been running for the benefit of Muslim (which was Jinnah's main idea), then today, the Pashtun of Pakistan would have loved their new homeland and they could have also benefited their brothers across the border. In fact, Afghanistan could have also been a peaceful place and devoid of Islam terrorism.

I've asked you straight forward questions about the status of Pashtuns and Baloch in Pakistan and fate that Bengalis were subjected to in your Islamic Pakistan. Plz re read the above questions and answer me in the light of islam why only Punjab have the right to rule other nations in Pakistan?

[Qazi Saad Yousafzai]

@khyal: dnt try to act like some scholor ot sumthn, u seem to be too self impressed. thats the problem that u only know ur own rites. i think there should be a poll in k.p about how many ppl want to join afghanistan so that u can just relax. im giving no scholorly touch. just wait nd see till CIA kills us all. plz dnt try to tell me wot my knowledge is.

[khyaal]

One thing I forgot to mention that we do care about our motherland Afghanistan. Now tell me why an Islamic Pakistan has always tried to destabilize muslim afghanistan?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I've asked you straight forward questions about the status of Pashtuns and Baloch in Pakistan and fate that Bengalis were subjected to in your Islamic Pakistan. Plz re read the above questions and answer me in the light of islam why only Punjab have the right to rule other nations in Pakistan?

My answer above has touched on this, indirectly.

That is the politics of that land. Pakistan is not running on Islamic etiquettes today. They are devoid of the fear of Allah. However, the Pashtun should not stoop low and fall their level and be beaten with experience, which they are being, they should turn to Allah by obeying what His Book says.

In due time, the tides will shift. Patience is a virtue.

[Qazi Saad Yousafzai]

destabilization due to pak has been after the soviet invasion. after that US and INDIAN agencies had their funding done in afghanstan so naturally it was must for pakistan to maintain a force of their own in afghanistan too to contain any indian bad intention. u call that as destibilization.

[Qazi Saad Yousafzai]

and if ur rights are so undermined and supressed in the "occupied land" y dnt u migrate??

[khyaal]

My answer above has touched on this, indirectly.

That is the politics of that land. Pakistan is not running on Islamic etiquettes today. They are devoid of the fear of Allah. However, the Pashtun should not stoop low and fall their level and be beaten with experience, which they are being, they should turn to Allah by obeying what His Book says.

In due time, the tides will shift. Patience is a virtue.

You mean when it was created it ran according to islamic principles? If Pakistan turn to Allah they would have to return the occupied resources of the respective nations which will not be acceptible to them. So Pakistan has an inherent clash with islamic principles.

[khyaal]

and if ur rights are so undermined and supressed in the "occupied land" y dnt u migrate??

You must be insane. This land was not gifted to us by Pakistan, rather our Pashtun/afghan forefathers have lived on this land since pre-history. Pakistan doesn't have an inch of the land which historically belongs to it. Btw, have you ever read Pakistan Resolution? For your information Pakista's very existence is rooted on the lands of respective nations.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You mean when it was created it ran according to islamic principles? If Pakistan turn to Allah they would have to return the occupied resources of the respective nations which will not be acceptible to them. So Pakistan has an inherent clash with islamic principles.

Pakistan has never ran on Islamic principles. Never. However, that was not its initial design. It met this fate because the other ethnicities and the mullah never allowed it.

The curse of Pakistan is the mullahs, yet the Pashtun fail to see this.

Nonetheless, the only option is turn to Allah's teachings and do your part. End of the day, it is Allah land, not ours.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Your question is very complicated to answer. We would have to practically give a discourse on tafseer.

But to give you a taste: Islam has given us many teachings on how to treat one another and how to fair with one another. Today, Pakistan came into being under the guise of Islam. The Pashtun being Muslim, had rejected its creation without considering the ill-fate that the Muslims had in India. Also, the Muslim clergy of India rejected the creation of Pakistan. What a paradox!

As such, today, the clergy are running the show, the real purpose of Pakistan was never allowed to materialize. So many road blocks have been put in front of it. Neither the Pashtun have helped to establish Pakistan as a Muslim State neither have the clergy. The clergy have made Pakistan into a mob state and the Pashtun are crying foul every minute.

When the population does not care about their homeland, then it will only get corrupted. Today, we are seeing the poisonous fruits of the Pashtun reaction to the creation of Pakistan, and the lack of fear of God rule of the clergy over the populous of Pakistan.

As a Pashtun, I feel pain to see my brethren and sisters suffering. However, they have done it themselves. Now, instead of trying to call Pakistan home, they are reminiscing about the olden days. The Pashtun of Pakistan are suffering today, not because Pakistan was out to get them from the get go. No, not at all. They are suffering because they allowed Pakistan to be overtaken by mullahs. Had a proper secular government been running for the benefit of Muslims (which was Jinnah's main idea), then today, the Pashtun of Pakistan would have loved their new homeland and they could have also benefited their brothers across the border. In fact, Afghanistan could have also been a peaceful place and devoid of Islam terrorism.

The only left now is for us all to sit and reflect about our plight, and turn to Allah. For had we followed Islamic instructions in the first place, we would not been suffering today.

It was not a paradox that they refused to support it. They knew what it was and did not buy into the fraud. People who don't buy into cons are not paradoxical they are just smart.

Your idea about Pakistan being a secular and wonderful state is a huge hypothetical. Pakistan was quite secular during the 70s, but that didn't stop the 71 war. In fact prior to the 1980s, Pakistan's institutions were very secular. That didn't stop the Baloch insurgency or a person like GM Syed (a secular sindhi nationalist) from adopting the slogan of Sindhudesh.

MWMN, it is not our job to destroy our future for the fate of somebody else. That is a very dangerous view you are pandering to. If it was ill-fated the muslims of India would have jointly asked for secession, but that never happened, the majority of Indian muslims stayed put. You pick and choose when things fit you and then discard them just as quickly. That is a highly irritating way of debating and a pointless one.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Pakistan has never ran on Islamic principles. Never. However, that was not its initial design. It met this fate because the other ethnicities and the mullah never allowed it.

The curse of Pakistan is the mullahs, yet the Pashtun fail to see this.

Nonetheless, the only option is turn to Allah's teachings and do your part. End of the day, it is Allah land, not ours.

No it is the army actually. They have caused irreversible damage to Pakistan, and the second blame goes to the very so-called founders of Pakistan. They used the 1940 resolution in gaining support and then sidelined it when it didn't suit them. If you look at the core issues with Pakistan, it is mostly the demand by some for a 1940 resolution or a backlash against the Army institution. Baloch are not blaming the mullah, their blame lies in GHQ, sindhis want the 1940 resolution, etc.